Re: Why can't the track format be changed? (was: Physical record size query)

2012-02-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-02-07 23:22, Bill Fairchild pisze: You listed the only two things supported by IBM in its operating system. There is also an unknown number of user applications with files that have keys, which could be BSAM, BDAM, or BPAM (PDS with keys in its members and not just in its

Re: WLM Capping

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Packer
So that told you some of your batch WASN'T (in business terms) truly discretionary. Glad you (by the sound of it) pulled the stuff that mattered if it never ran out of SYSOTHER. Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM

Fwd: New documentation about MF emulation and MFNetDisk.

2012-02-08 Thread shai hess
-- Forwarded message -- From: Shai Hess mfnetd...@mfnetdisk.com Date: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:20 AM Subject: New documentation about MF emulation and MFNetDisk. To: shai.h...@gmail.com ** HI, I add documentation about MF emulation and MFNetDisk. Shai * MF emulation and

Re: Why can't the track format be changed? (was: Physical record size query)

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cajtoo5_tp0_vy4usbrajdxo9phjcvrtvevqpco+pq-spf_c...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/07/2012 at 05:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: Actually, VSAM basically formats its datasets like FBA disk, and PDSE is a type of VSAM file. No, VSAM has no way to format a disk as FBA; it has to

Re: Why can't the track format be changed? (was: Physical record size query)

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In nrh3j7pn7qerevfk7hovdjk61qc509h...@4ax.com, on 02/07/2012 at 09:03 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: 4. Restrict the FBA devices to FBA data architectures (VSAM, PDSE, HFS, zFS, any other FBA architecture. Thus no QSAM, no BSAM, no PDS, no BDAM, no traditional Spool. How

Re: C program and LE/IMS option

2012-02-08 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi On 2/7/2012 7:28 PM, Itschak Mugzach wrote: Hi Avram, The program does not operate in any way under IMS. The only reason I mentioned IMS was that is is an alternative to LE... If you can tell, in which environment this program works ? How and who starts 10 times /second ? ITschak On

Inventory the back end tapes of a VTS

2012-02-08 Thread Lizette Koehler
I was wondering if there was a way to identify what files/datasets are on a back end tape in a VTS B20 3494? I think there might be a panel on the specialist B20 but not sure. I am going through the manuals now but just not seeing it. I am hoping to get a listing into a file on the mainframe

RMF postprocessor

2012-02-08 Thread Dansinthecarolinas
We are running z/OS v1r11. Using the RMF panels, option 1 for postprocessor I get an IKJ56231I FILE ERBSUB2 Not ALLOCATED, SYSTEM OR INSTALLATION ERROR. Checking the IBM web site I don't see any direct hits but it looks like this appeared with other products. Can someone running V1R11 try it

Re: JCL OUTPUT DD access

2012-02-08 Thread Scott Ford
Brian: I am trying to understand , why he would do this ? Bpxwdyn will do this without a problem and can be called easily in COBOL or assembler. There is a outdes descriptor ..you might run it by him Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 8, 2012,

Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Lopez, Sharon
Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. Sharon Lopez z/OS Systems Programmer State of North Carolina Office of Information Technology Services 919-754-6432 (Work) 919-398-8638 (Cell)

Re: Inventory the back end tapes of a VTS

2012-02-08 Thread Joe Testa
Bulk Volume Information Retrieval BVIR) http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/WP100430 You may need to have your IBM service representative enable BVIR on your VTS. Joe Testa Innovation Data Processing -- From: Lizette

Re: RMF postprocessor

2012-02-08 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Tested with 1.11 no problem like this . Did you get ERBPPUT panel ? Something with SUBMIT ? You could see maybe with Edit generated JCL YES On 2/8/2012 2:36 PM, Dansinthecarolinas wrote: We are running z/OS v1r11. Using the RMF panels, option 1 for postprocessor I get an IKJ56231I FILE

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Lizette Koehler
Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. Could you describe your environment a little? CPU(s) (z10, z9 , etc) Amount of dasd space allocated to Page Datasets? Number of Page Datasets Real

Re: CA LMP Key Validation

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:18:27 +0800, Lim Ming Liang limm...@unifi.my wrote: Hi Lizette, Are you willing to share that with us ? Regards Lim ML On 08/02/12 7:42 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: Never Mind, I found Mark Zelden's code in my notes files. It's freely available to anyone from CBT File 434

Re: JCL OUTPUT DD access

2012-02-08 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
On 2/8/2012 7:38 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: He wants to be able to access the OUTPUT statement fields from inside his program. I think he wants to be able to pass information, or act on the information contained there. He said he spent weeks trying on his own, and I looked around, but

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Lopez, Sharon
We have a z/10 and this test lpar had 11G of real memory. IBM is loaning us 16G of real memory so now we have 27G of real memory. We had 3 mod-9 page datasets and after message broker started we had to add 4 additional mod-9 page datasets. We do have IMS, CICS, and DB2 running on this

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread Bill Fairchild
When did the manufacturing of real CKD devices end? Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Lynn Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Why can't the track

Re: Why can't the track format be changed? (was: Physical record size query)

2012-02-08 Thread Bill Fairchild
IBM still supports the KEYLEN parameter in the DCB macro for new user-created data sets in BSAM, BDAM, and BPAM. The VTOC and PDS directory are the only system structures still using keys, but access methods are also part of the operating system and are supported. IBM still supports having

RMF

2012-02-08 Thread Don Demor
What could cause delays in RMF? Trying to figure out why RMF would be stalled - as though it stopped processing. Any ideas where to look - obviously this well after the fact. Should I start with SMF data? I know - not much to go on. Best Regards, DJ

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:01:48 +, Lopez, Sharon sharon.lo...@nc.gov wrote: Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a system? We are having issues with MQ and broker. Thanks. Any amount that still keeps your end user response time and job turnaround

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Maybe you can explain what MQ and broker issues you have and why you think this is related to paging and/or the page configuration. I know the broker uses a lot of virtual storage, which indeed requires additional paging space, so the first check you can do is check how full your paging

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
I think when manufacturing real 3390 devices ended. Kees. Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote in message news:77142D37C0C3C34DA0D7B1DA7D7CA346AE5C@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware .com... When did the manufacturing of real CKD devices end? Bill Fairchild -Original

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Correction: *local*. Maybe you can explain what MQ and broker issues you have and why you think this is related to paging and/or the page configuration. I know the broker uses a lot of virtual storage, which indeed requires additional paging space, so the first check you can do is check how full

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread John Gilmore
Minimally, modus ponens yields the result that the production of real CKD devices did not end before the production of real 3390s--which were/are real CKD devices--ended. On 2/8/12, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: I think when manufacturing real 3390 devices ended. Kees.

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Staller, Allan
Demand paging is anathema to multi-user address spaces (e.g. CICS/IMS). It is somewhat less problematic for single user address spaces. (TSO, BATCH) and in-between for DB2. e.g. it may be perfectly acceptable to have a demand paging rate of 100 if CICS/IMS demand paging is zero. Side trip to the

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
A couple questions. When did IBM actually stop manufacturing the 3390 device, and was the 9345 an actual CKD device? The digging I did in IBM says it was. If so, when did that device (with a different geometry than either the 3380 or the 3390) stop manufacturing? Rex -Original

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-02-08 16:03, John Gilmore pisze: Minimally, modus ponens yields the result that the production of real CKD devices did not end before the production of real 3390s--which were/are real CKD devices--ended. Yes and no. It depends on definition of real CKD device. Actually 3390 and

Re: WLM Capping

2012-02-08 Thread Joel C. Ewing
One of the subtle misconceptions in the design of WLM was the implicit assumption that you would always have enough hardware resources to do the required workload with the required response time, and if not would quickly remedy the situation. In the real world, this is not always the case and

Re: Why can't the track format be changed? (was: Physical record size query)

2012-02-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:41:34 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In nrh3j7pn7qerevfk7hovdjk61qc509h...@4ax.com, on 02/07/2012 at 09:03 PM, Clark Morris said: 4. Restrict the FBA devices to FBA data architectures (VSAM, PDSE, HFS, zFS, any other FBA architecture. Thus no QSAM, no BSAM, no

ACF2 and LDS

2012-02-08 Thread Andre Massena
Hello all, I have a customer who has a rather backlevel version of z/OS (1.5) and ACF2 (6.5) as the ESM. He would like to authenticate from the outside (open) world against ACF2 using CA's ACF2-LDS (LDAP Directory Services). Does anyone know if the LDS implementation of ACF2-LDS is enough in

PRINT (NOCC for z/OS?

2012-02-08 Thread Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Bonjour, When I worked on z/VM I could print without carriage control using PRINT member (NOCC. On JES2 when I put stuff out to the spool it's inserting a x'40' as the leading character. I tried XMIT and see the \INMR01, but again there is now a leading x'40'. How can I put

Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread gsg
I know you can define processors as dedicated or shared. Is there any advantages/disadvantages to dedicating some to specific LPARs and shared for others? TIA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi GSG, Simply, if you dedicate some  CP to a busy lpar, it can improve performance - if that is what the lpar needs. If you dedicate all that a lpar  is likely to use at peak untilitzation, cp reaources are wasted when the lpar is not so busy.  Many shops use a mix of shared and dedicated

Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread Knutson, Sam
Using HiperDispatch on a z10 or z196 provides many of the benefits of dedicated processors with the flexibility of shared processors. Thanks, Sam -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of gsg Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:26

Re: Inventory the back end tapes of a VTS

2012-02-08 Thread Mike Wood
Lizette, You would need to look to your tape management system, hopefully rmm, for that information. For some real basic info you can use the SV subcommand and SD by volume. For example RMM SV VOLUME(*) LIMIT(*) STATUS(NOTSCRATCH,NOTRELEASE) LOCATION(vtslibname) CLIST('RMM SD DSN(*)

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 239ab4569639f44abf2edc7f90f528b1f2b...@ncwwditmxmbx34.ad.ncmail, on 02/08/2012 at 02:01 PM, Lopez, Sharon sharon.lo...@nc.gov said: Can someone please help me determine what the 'acceptable paging' should be on a system? There is no one size fits all. We are having issues with MQ and

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAPD5F5oYqr6=-+xzsa9hcvgafquskcg+vns7pdh+-kniuay...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/08/2012 at 10:03 AM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: Minimally, modus ponens yields the result that the production of real CKD devices did not end before the production of real 3390s--which were/are real

Re: Why can't the track format be changed?

2012-02-08 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes: Yes and no. It depends on definition of real CKD device. Actually 3390 and 3380 were FBA under the cover. The data cells (32 or 34 bytes) were the fixed size sectors. Indeed, the device was not emulated - physical disc was presented as single I/O

Re: PRINT (NOCC for z/OS?

2012-02-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:25:06 -0600, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN wrote: Bonjour, When I worked on z/VM I could print without carriage control using PRINT member (NOCC. On JES2 when I put stuff out to the spool it's inserting a x'40' as the leading character. I tried XMIT and see the

Re2:

2012-02-08 Thread Ale Eba
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Re: PRINT (NOCC for z/OS?

2012-02-08 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Dave, PRINT member (NOCC is a CMS command and it suppresses carriage control. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zvm.v54.dmsb4/hcsd8b3078.htm So, z/OS is not adding the carriage control, the command that you used to print on VM was

Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread Bob Shannon
Our workload is entirely for development. Since we can't predict where demand will come from we share all of the CPs so that capacity will float to where it's needed. One disadvantage is that this is bad for the cache(s). In our environment the cost is acceptable. I wouldn't do this if we ran a

Re: PRINT (NOCC for z/OS?

2012-02-08 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:16:38 +, Linda Mooney wrote: PRINT member (NOCC is a CMS command and it suppresses carriage control. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zvm.v54.dmsb4/hcsd8b3078.htm So, z/OS is not adding the carriage control, the command that

Re: PRINT (NOCC for z/OS?

2012-02-08 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Gil, Yeah, it had been a long time since we even had a VM machine.  That's why I included the link.  ;) Linda - Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:29:40 PM Subject: Re: PRINT (NOCC for

Re: Simple iinventory control products

2012-02-08 Thread Arthur Fichtl
Am 08.02.2012 06:00, schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: Re: Simple iinventory control products? We use XINFO from the German software manufacturer Horizont (based in Munich, they are focussed on mf datacenter software). Citation from their website: XINFO is the information system for

Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread gsg
Bob, Why would this be bad for cache? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread Bob Shannon
Why would this be bad for cache? Since multiple LPAR are isong the CP, because multiple LPARs are causing cache updates. If you have production LPARs it's best to limit cache updates to a single LPAR so that your cache hit ratio will be better. Dedicating CPs will do that. Bob Shannon

Re: Simple iinventory control products

2012-02-08 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Thanks Arthur, I will look into it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Arthur Fichtl Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products Am 08.02.2012

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Hal Merritt
The number and size of paging volumes set an upper limit to the amount of virtual storage that can be in use at any one time across all address spaces. This alone does not impact paging rates. Only the amount of real storage affects paging rates. (Note: this may not be 100% technically true,

Re: ACF2 and LDS

2012-02-08 Thread Hal Merritt
I have no idea, but I'm going to guess the answer is: no. Reason is that LDAP is a relitivaly new kid on the block, and I would not expect meaningful support unless you were on the very latest versions of the software. Indeed, many LDAP featres wen't offered in RACF until very recently. But

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1910aea19cd2554fb59403184ebe4381044b40a...@mmoexchmbs01.jhacorp.com, on 02/08/2012 at 04:49 PM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com said: A demand page in event can cause a full stop in the requesting address space Address space or only task? A page always consumes a slot, No. An

Re: PRINT (NOCC for z/OS?

2012-02-08 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 493357941.926625.1328735798778.javamail.r...@sz0042a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net, on 02/08/2012 at 09:16 PM, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net said: PRINT member (NOCC is a CMS command and it suppresses carriage control. No.

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Ed Finnell
I don't know why, but anyhow back in MVS internals. There's the PART, the SART and the Frame Allocation Resource Table. What no FART? Not PC! Sorry... In a message dated 2/8/2012 8:44:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net writes: No. An unreferenced page does not

Re: IBM Research z196 Papers

2012-02-08 Thread Ed Gould
I do not know if its changed but... At one time I asked IBM to get me subscribed to the system journal. They were sort of reticent but did so for one year I got it. The next year they said no. From then on they got no IBM recommendations from me. I also made it plain that if and when they

Re: Acceptable paging

2012-02-08 Thread Barbara Nitz
Maybe you can explain what MQ and broker issues you have and why you think this is related to paging and/or the page configuration. I agree with Kees. What exactly is your 'issue' with 'the broker'? (Assuming that MQS is just the innocent bystander here.) I know the broker uses a lot of virtual

Logical-to-Physical CP ratios, was: Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-08 Thread Barbara Nitz
Our workload is entirely for development. Since we can't predict where demand will come from we share all of the CPs so that capacity will float to where it's needed. One disadvantage is that this is bad for the cache(s). In our environment the cost is acceptable. I wouldn't do this if we ran a

Re: XML

2012-02-08 Thread Michael Klaeschen
So far, I did not see answers. So I try to add my 2 cents. what are the systems that use XML? ... Well, I don't know for sure. But I would say the common suspects: Windows, Linux, AIX as well as smart phones and other manager tamagoccies. The one I know is z/OS. But not only since V1R11: I was

Re: WLM Capping

2012-02-08 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote in message news:4f32a2df.5030...@acm.org... One of the subtle misconceptions in the design of WLM was the implicit assumption that you would always have enough hardware resources to do the required workload with the required response time, and if not