Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Alvaro Guirao Lopez
Hi List, I'm installing a product in a client and when I invoked the primary panel of the installation, one of the selections don't do anything when I select it with an 's'. I have test it in my systems and functions, so, I think there is something trhough their logon procedures that is causing

Search in the archive

2012-02-16 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
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Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Packer
There WAS a corner case and at least one customer I knew of had it: With ICFs you could expand into shared engines - with the non expansion case being all dedicated. That went away some time ago. I think what you said about z10 corroborates my memory that Dynamic ICF Expansion was only

Re: Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Wit the ISPF Dialog Test you can trace/debug the dialogs On 2/16/2012 9:00 AM, Alvaro Guirao Lopez wrote: Hi List, I'm installing a product in a client and when I invoked the primary panel of the installation, one of the selections don't do anything when I select it with an 's'. I have

Re: sadump (and autoipl)

2012-02-16 Thread Jim Mulder
My sadump program is coded with DDSPROMPT=NO (to enable sadump autoipl) and a dump data set name that is NOT SYS1.SADMP (since something needed to get done in SMS for dsntype=large, and sys1 is not sms-managed - don't ask me about particulars). When we migrated to 1.12, we were on old

Re: Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
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SV: Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Thomas Berg
A simple beginning: - Enter ISPF option 7, Dialog Test - Select: 1 Functions - Enter the actual name of the ISPF Primary Option menu panel at: Invoke selection panel: PANEL . . panelname (If You don't know, enter PANELID ON at the primary menu which shows the name near the left upper

Re: Subject: SV: REXX IEBCOPY Continuation?

2012-02-16 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:14:03 +0200 Mark Jones markj...@za.ibm.com wrote: :Hi :I havent had a problem with this :/* REXX */ :FREE F(INDD1) :FREE F(OUTDD1) :FREE F(SYSIN) :ALLOC FI(INDD1) DSN('x..aaa') SHR :ALLOC FI(OUTDD1) DSN('x..bbb') SHR :ALLOC FI(SYSIN)

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-02-16 01:55, Dan pisze: Thanks Radoslaw Bob. I figured there must be some explanation for the additional byte other than some new extended device ranges. This is still a DOC problem as the manual simply states these are device addresses. Radoslaw, are you saying there is a way of

Re: [TSO-REXX] Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Cross Posting to IBM Main and TSO-REXX groups Hi List, I'm installing a product in a client and when I invoked the primary panel of the installation, one of the selections don't do anything when I select it with an 's'. I have test it in my systems and functions, so, I think there is

Re: [TSO-REXX] Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Cross Posting to IBM Main and TSO-REXX groups Hi List, I'm installing a product in a client and when I invoked the primary panel of the installation, one of the selections don't do anything when I select it with an 's'. I have test it in my systems and functions, so, I think

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
With the current CICS and COBOL, you must compile your COBOL with NODYNAM, as I'm sure you know. static CALLs in CICS are still not supported. However, with LE, it is now supported to do dynamic CALLs in COBOL. The dynamically CALLed subroutine still needs to be defined to CICS. The CICS

Re: sadump (and autoipl)

2012-02-16 Thread Barbara Nitz
Vacation? Not likely. I just don't know all the answers off the top of my head, Impossible. :-) You're destroying the image I have of you! Prior to DSNTYPE=LARGE in z/OS 1.7, the only way to use an extent size larger than 64k tracks was to use an extended format data set, and extended

Re: [TSO-REXX] Debug TSO through ISPF panels installation

2012-02-16 Thread Alvaro Guirao Lopez
Lizzette, Thank you for the info, I have requested to join ISPF list, I didn't know it. And thanks for the presentation. I have deleted in the past a few times ISPF profiles from the users avoding some problems related with ISPF, in this case was the logon procedure of the client. I have

Re: Dedicated vs. Shared CPs

2012-02-16 Thread Joe Owens
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Change of Ownership for a Job

2012-02-16 Thread jagadishan perumal
Hello, Recently we have installed a IMS system. We have a requirement of changing all the started task userid for which I was able to do it easily, but there are some Jobs which generates automatically when the IMS region starts up for which the OWNER for the JOB is IBMUSER. Is it possible to

Re: Authorised functions (related to bpxwdyn rc = 4294967263)

2012-02-16 Thread Terry Sambrooks
Hi Scott, From experience I have found that BPXWDYN is not the easiest beast to control. Whilst I do program in Assembler, it has to be acknowledged that not everybody does and hence more prolific languages with calls to existing functionality should be favoured. I personally think that BPXWDYN

Re: IEBCOPY with I/O error on SYSIN

2012-02-16 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Paul, IEBCOPY is documented (and functions) as generating a SYSIN if none exists, if it's dummied, or if it's an empty file. Not sure what category a 'bad' file fits into, but I would guess it's essentially 'omitted'. If you feel strongly about it you could open a Share requirement. From

Re: Change of Ownership for a Job

2012-02-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Hello, Recently we have installed a IMS system. We have a requirement of changing all the started task userid for which I was able to do it easily, but there are some Jobs which generates automatically when the IMS region starts up for which the OWNER for the JOB is IBMUSER. Is it

Re: Change of Ownership for a Job

2012-02-16 Thread jagadishan perumal
Hello Lizette, Z/OS : 1.13 IMS : 11.1 SECURITY product : RACF 1.13 IMS11M41 JOB07743 IBMUSER 9 EXECUTION A DEV1 = Needs to be changed to other Owner IMS11F41 JOB07744 IBMUSER 9 EXECUTION A DEV1 = Needs to be changed to other Owner IMS11CR4 STC07738

Re: Change of Ownership for a Job

2012-02-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Cross Posting to JES2 RACF and IBM-Main Jags, If you look - you have a JOBCARD. You can put the assignment of the owner in there 1 //IMS11M41 JOB ACCT#, // 'SAGAR', // CLASS=A, // MSGCLASS=H,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), // NOTIFY=IBMUSER, // REGION=64M Lizette -Original Message-

Re: Change of Ownership for a Job

2012-02-16 Thread Terry Sambrooks
Hi Jags, snippet Recently we have installed a IMS system. We have a requirement of changing all the started task userid for which I was able to do it easily, but there are some Jobs which generates automatically when the IMS region starts up for which the OWNER for the JOB is IBMUSER. Is it

RES: Question about XDC BATCH and automation

2012-02-16 Thread Sérgio Lima Costa
Hello Mr. John. Thanks again. Best Regards, and have a Nice Day. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de McKown, John Enviada em: quarta-feira, 15 de fevereiro de 2012 16:59 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: Question

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Frank, From IMS/DC point of view, It works almost the same. CICS has DBCTL that perform as a limited DBRC as well as IMS/DC has the DLI DBRC address spaces. Same commands, traces etc. Is this what your question refer to ? ITschak On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Frank Swarbrick

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Bill Fairchild
They haven't been device addresses since 1983 with the advent of MVS/XA, in spite of the fact that people who had been calling them device addresses since 1964, for the most part, still call them device addresses. They have been device numbers since XA's redesign of the I/O architecture. And

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-02-16 15:14, Bill Fairchild pisze: They haven't been device addresses since 1983 with the advent of MVS/XA, in spite of the fact that people who had been calling them device addresses since 1964, for the most part, still call them device addresses. They have been device numbers

z-VM guest z-OS system diagnostics....

2012-02-16 Thread John Compton
One of the first investigative tasks handed to me at my new job... ...and I don't know where to start. Got a z-OS 1.9 system, that runs as a guest under z/VM. (It's a long time since I last worked with such a combination. Last time it was VM/370(?) and MVS 1.3.0e, alongside a bunch of

Re: z-VM guest z-OS system diagnostics....

2012-02-16 Thread J. Cassidy
John, have a gander in the z/VM OPERATOR log at about the time the event happened. Would not be the first time that someone logged off instead of disconnecting a z/OS guest. There again, if the z/OS guest was disconnected in an unclean way that is a another thing altogether. In the z/VM

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:15:55 -0800, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Walt,   First , thanks for responding..   Let me explain:   The STC is in LE Cobol..4.2 I want to call IKJEFTSR ...to call a rexx clist that will perform authorized functions , i.e.; alloc, free Alloc and free are

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:11:14 -0600, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Is this even possible? here: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ikj4b780/23.4.3.2 quote Table 122 shows the reason codes that are found in parameter 5 if IKJEFTSR completes with a

Re: BPX.UNIQUE.USER APPLDATA model profile

2012-02-16 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:29:52 -0600, David Magee david.ma...@dillards.com wrote: I was wondering how some of you are handling the HOME field of the model userid profile specified in the APPLDATA field of the BPX.UNIQUE.USER porfile. The IBM examples I've seen all show /tmp for HOME. My

Re: Search in the archive

2012-02-16 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:20:55 +0100, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi Try to search in the archive/and got server errors for //http://bama.ua.edu//archives///ibm/-/main The proper address (as far as I know) is http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Walt

Re: IEBCOPY with I/O error on SYSIN

2012-02-16 Thread Mike Wawiorko
This behaviour gives a simple, and little known/used, method of running a compress without control cards. 1. Allocate SYSUT1 to your PDS 2. SYSUT2 DSN=*.SYSUT1 3. Omit SYSIN Runs a compress of SYSUT1 Regards, Mike Mike Wawiorko Global z Connectivity and Automation Engineering Global

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread John Gilmore
Predictably--I am the pedant who insists on distinguishing KB and KiB--Bill Fairchild's point seems to me to be important. Quaint, long familiar terminology should be avoided where it is misleading. The original System/360 scheme was simple and in its way elegant. 01F---decodable unambiguously

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread John Weber
I'm glad the DYNAM/NODYNAM has been brought up. I have a question about a CICS application. It contains sub modules using CALL. PGM1 (CALL 'PGM2') -- PGM2 (CALL 'PGM3') -- PGM3 Each module is translated/pre-processed and then compiled with DYNAM. If PGM3 is compiled/linked, then PGM1 and

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
The whole point of DYNAM is that you do NOT have to recompile calling programs when a subroutine is recompiled UNLESS the interface changes (E.G. if the arguments change format or order of position or new values are required, etc.). The reason that CICS requires NODYNAM is that the CALL's that

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I do think I need to be more specific, since the answers so far aren't quite what I was looking for (though interesting).  Probably because I am on the applications side, rather than the systems side, I have different concerns than most here.  Anyway, here are some specific questions... 1) How

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Walt:   Are we saying Cobol cant invoke TMP ?? If so, where do i find an example Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:14 AM Subject:

Re: z-VM guest z-OS system diagnostics....

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
I agree i am an old VMer, especially is someone is running second level with privileges Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: J. Cassidy s...@jdcassidy.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:28

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: The original System/360 scheme was simple and in its way elegant. 01F---decodable unambiguously into (multiplexor) channel 0, control unit 1, and that control unit's device F or 15---was, for example, the usual device address of the card punch

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Ian Steyn
Frank, IMS DC does the same thing as CICS, but completely different. An IMS control region with its message region function basically like CICSPlex with AOR's and TOR's. Transactions in IMS can be tied to specific message regions and you can have several message regions tied to a control

HSMLOG file format

2012-02-16 Thread Steve Carlson (Contractor)
I found the below information in the archives, but I did not see an answer, where can i obtain the format of HSMLOGX/Y ? using ARCPRLOG, the output shows a lot of ID=xx (where xx is numeric), but nowhere can i find the complete list. can i use my little utility (like SAS) to read HSMLOG directly

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Sambataro, Anthony (NIH/NBS) [E]
Can probably get a good answer from the IMS listserv that BMC Supports: im...@imslistserv.bmc.com -Original Message- From: Frank Swarbrick [mailto:frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS I do think I need

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca346c...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com, on 02/16/2012 at 02:14 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said: They haven't been device addresses since 1983 with the advent of MVS/XA, in spite of the fact that people who had been calling them device

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4f3d172f.9030...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 02/16/2012 at 03:48 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: Yes, in z/OS (OS/390,...) there are device numbers, not adresses. No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0156585592475057.wa.mvsjes2sympatico...@bama.ua.edu, on 02/14/2012 at 07:06 AM, Dan D mvs-j...@sympatico.ca said: Subject: 5 Byte Device Addresses? ITYM 5-digit device addresses[1], unless you're talking about 4-bit bytes. IAC, the subchannel-set identifier (SSID) is not formally part of

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 132955.66876.yahoomail...@web164511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com, on 02/15/2012 at 11:15 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I want to call IKJEFTSR ...to call a rexx clist that will perform authorized functions , i.e.; alloc, free Those aren't authorized functions, unless you need to

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 02/15/2012 at 02:55 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: //STC EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01, // REGION=0M,PARM='%REXXCMD' //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSTSIN DD DUMMY //SYSEXEC DD

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9c2b672b-1bb5-4a16-a2ba-560eaf26c...@yahoo.com, on 02/15/2012 at 01:34 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: long running STC program is linked ac(1) It must come from an APF-authorized concatenation for that to take effect. Do i create an entry in ikjtso00

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
My suggestion is: Don't use DYNAM for compiling CICS COBOL programs. Change your coding standards from: CALL 'PGM1'. to MOVE 'PGM1' TO CALLED-PROGRAM. CALL CALLED-PROGRAM. With CALLED-PROGRAM being PIC X(8). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
That's not just a suggestion.  It's a requirement.  If you compile a CICS COBOL program with DYNAM the compile and link (bind) may succeed, but the program will not execute properly under CICS.  (Not sure I've actually ever tried it, but I can't imagine any other result based on the

Re: HSMLOG file format

2012-02-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
I found the below information in the archives, but I did not see an answer, where can i obtain the format of HSMLOGX/Y ? using ARCPRLOG, the output shows a lot of ID=xx (where xx is numeric), but nowhere can i find the complete list. can i use my little utility (like SAS) to read HSMLOG

Re: HSMLOG file format

2012-02-16 Thread Steve Carlson (Contractor)
Thanks. I have compared the two files SMF and HSMLOG, and if you line up the HSMLOG with the SMF 241 record then the data is the same . If you start at byte 29 of the HSMLOG record then this matches up correctly with the SMF TYPE 241 record. Thanks for this

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Bill Fairchild
Seymour is right that we have had subchannel numbers since 1983 instead of device addresses, but we have also had device numbers since 1983. And we still have device addresses, but the device address is now only one byte long and the subchannel and device numbers are two bytes long. As John

zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread George Henke
I am trying to find out how much staff, numbers and titles, eg z/OS, z/VM, VTAM/TCPIP, CICS, etc, are needed to run a large zSeries mainframe shop. Would some of you be so kind as to share that information with me. -- George Henke (C) 845 401 5614

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Tony Harminc
On 16 February 2012 13:31, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Walt: Are we saying Cobol cant invoke TMP ?? If so, where do i find an example I'm not Walt, of course. But as far as I know, no one can invoke the TMP. Well, not quite true, obviously, but no normal program, even if APF

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Tony,   I dont want to knock IBM but for us developers this is UGLY ... Maybe the problem is they never intended for it to be called that way ...   FWIW,,   Regards, Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: Tony Harminc

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Chris Craddock
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Tony, I dont want to knock IBM but for us developers this is UGLY ... Maybe the problem is they never intended for it to be called that way ... Yes, exactly right on both counts. Don't forget that TSO is older than

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Steve Comstock
On 2/16/2012 2:31 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 16 February 2012 13:31, Scott Fordscott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Walt: Are we saying Cobol cant invoke TMP ?? If so, where do i find an example I'm not Walt, of course. But as far as I know, no one can invoke the TMP. Well, not quite true,

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Steve:   I have tried this and it works well enough to be part of our product...   Cobol -  calls 'irxjcl'  -  linkmvs pgmname - performs authorized functions ( in this case RACF ) Works well and is fast...I was hoping to short my development time on another product we support.. I will probably

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Amen brother Chris, I am converted...lol...I am an ex-Vmer, CMS was so much easier at times.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: Chris Craddock crashlu...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
TSO is archaic and was, IMO, not well designed. Well, it possibly was back in MVT days. But it has not advanced with the times along with the rest of z/OS. And it depends on why you want to use TSO in a batch program. I would guess it is just so that you don't have to re-invent the wheel.

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Thats a great idea John ! I like it and will have to try it Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: Re:

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
CMS and XEDIT can easily bury TSO/ISPF. The only thing better is Linux/gvim ducking. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com .

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
John:   I loved VM/CMS and like Linux really well, close my eyes they are kissing cousins Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16,

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am trying to find out how much staff, numbers and titles, eg z/OS, z/VM, VTAM/TCPIP, CICS, etc, are needed to run a large zSeries mainframe shop. Would some of you be so kind as to share that information with me. -- George Henke (C) 845 401 5614 George the only answer I can give

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Sometimes I wonder if IBM took the 'blue pill or the red pill'...from the Matrix...lol Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread McKown, John
I never saw any of those movies, so the meaning is unknown to me. John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
John,   In a nutshell, the 'red pill' was a big change and the 'blue pill' back to the mundane world..nothing changed Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com   From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: FW: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread George Henke
ty Lizette, I am just trying to get a general idea of how many people a typical large zSeries shop needs running whatever on whatever as long as it is *big* and *blue* and wears a *z*. IOW if you think you are a large zSeries shop how many other people like you are around and what do they do,

z/OS Feeding SolarWinds

2012-02-16 Thread Jim Marshall
One of our Cyber Security folks is putting up a NOC (Network Operations Center) and they purchased something called SolarWinds. Now they are on my doorstep saying they want to scan my system along with DB2 and Oracle data bases. This is COOL and then I asked how they intended to do this

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
Yep Lizette, and how much money is in the budget ... Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 16, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: I am trying to find out how much staff, numbers and titles, eg z/OS, z/VM,

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread George Henke
That is not my intent. Please do not divulge anything with which you do not feel comfortable. Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise. Thomas Gray I am just trying to get a sense, a reasonability check, on how labor-intensive a large zSeries shop is. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:11 PM,

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
George, I worked for a large American company aboard, one of the top 5 in the world, we has a staff including mgmt around 200, that was MVS , VM , Communications, and DR. Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:19 PM, George Henke

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread George Henke
ty, Scott, but 200 people must have supported many data centers. The feedback I have gotten so far, based on a few private replies, is about 8 - 12 people per CEC. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: George, I worked for a large American company aboard,

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
George, I have worked for 20+ shops consulting and full time, this one I referred to was European HQ. Most of the other places systems staffs were 20+ , I worked most of those shops in NYC, numbers are small also, because of this economy, cutbacks. Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Gibney, Dave
Well, I can say that one is not really enough, but some of us try. I think I could keep z/OS current, plus a few other ISV products, if there wasn't day to day needs and the occasional urgent demand for special requests. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com wrote: deleted 1) How does BMS compare to MFS.  Power, flexibility, ease of use. Pretty similar. One run to create a binary map, one run to create the copybook. 2) Does IMS TM have an API for miscellaneous functions

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:31:50 -0800, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Walt:   Are we saying Cobol cant invoke TMP ?? If so, where do i find an example No, but nothing stops you from structuring your STC so it invokes the TMP, and the TMP invokes your Cobol program. Then it can use

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Roberts, John J
My experience as a SYSPROG was a while back at a smallish insurance company in Vancouver. IIRC, this was a mid-size ES9000 running OS/390, CICS/ESA, and DB2. I think we had TCP/IP networking via Token-Ring attachment to a 3174 controller. I know we all ran DOS PC's running some 3270 emulator.

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:42:01 -0700, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: OK, just being a little crazy, what about EXEC PGM=MYASMPGM which does some stuff and then does XCTL to the TMP? Would that work? The last time I tried it (28+ years ago before I joined IBM) it was possible to

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
I'm not really an expert on this topic. We're an IMS shop, but all the IMS topics are hidden behind a site specific application framework, so that most of IMS is not visible to the applications. In my earlier life, I worked at a company, which used CICS on VSE. So my impression is: - CICS is

Re: Authorized functions

2012-02-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:40:40 -0600, Chris Craddock wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Scott Ford wrote: I dont want to knock IBM but for us developers this is UGLY ... Maybe the problem is they never intended for it to be called that way ... Yes, exactly right on both counts. Don't

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Thanks for the information! It may be worth noting that the issue you bring up can happen as easily with CICS.  Or really any situation where more than one person can read/update the same record. Frank From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To:

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Scott Ford
John, I worked a twin 4381 VM and VM/VSE shop for awhile and we had about the same amount of ppl Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: My experience as a SYSPROG was a while

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread John Weber
Thank you all for the valuable information. John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CICS vs IMS That's not just a suggestion. 

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 13:12 -0500 on 02/16/2012, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote about Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?: In 77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca346c...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com, on 02/16/2012 at 02:14 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said: But that's ok, since I still call z/OS

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
hal9...@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) writes: No Bill is right. OS/VS2 Release 2 WAS MVS like OS/VS2 Release 1 was SVS. SVS was OS/360 MVT with Virtual Addresses (SVS was a single 16MB Address Space with which was divided into smaller areas for the programs to use, just like MVT). MVS made

Re: CICS vs IMS

2012-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1329350690.69346.yahoomail...@web122113.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 02/15/2012 at 04:04 PM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com said: We are a CICS shop with IMS DB (DBCTL), but I've been curious for a while about the differences between how CICS works and how IMS TM works. CICS was

Re: z-VM guest z-OS system diagnostics....

2012-02-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:28:34 +0100, J. Cassidy s...@jdcassidy.net wrote: Would not be the first time that someone logged off instead of disconnecting a z/OS guest. There again, if the z/OS guest was disconnected in an unclean way that is a another thing altogether. In the z/VM OPERATOR log, also

Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-16 Thread Shane Ginnane
To stay young requires unceasing cultivation of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods (Robert A Heinlein) Some-how seemed appropriate. Must be time I went back and re-read some of his work. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: zSeries Manpower Sizing

2012-02-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
George Henke observes: The feedback I have gotten so far, based on a few private replies, is about 8 - 12 people per CEC. Maybe, but that doesn't mean when you double the number of CECs you would double the number of people, or vice versa. That is, you can't extrapolate linearly in either

Re: Archaic allocation in JCL (Was: Physical record size query)

2012-02-16 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 2/13/2012 9:38 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Requiring application programmers to think in terms of tracks and cylinders and to understand interaction between physical block size and track capacity is indeed archaic, as are artificial restrictions on number of extents or volumes. TRKs and