Re: Detail SMF record processing

2012-04-17 Thread Donald Likens
I do not need to include the processing before doing the SMFEWTM if I am attempting to determine how much processing is done after the SMFEWTM is issued. Assume I have already gathered all the data and now I am attempting to determine what I should do with it.

Re: IEL1CL not found

2012-04-17 Thread jagadishan perumal
Hi All, Just checked the Link : http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ibm3mg80/4.1.6.3?ACTION=MATCHESREQUEST=ISPFTYPE=FUZZYSHELF=ibmsh380.bksDT=20091013110934CASE=searchTopic=TOPICsearchText=TEXTsearchIndex=INDEXrank=RANKScrollTOP=FIRSTHIT Which says There is no support

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:41:51 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: BTW: I really can't understand marketing names like z196, TS1140, or DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used), MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford? A rose, by any other name...

Re: Detail SMF record processing

2012-04-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Donald Likens wrote: I do not need to include the processing before doing the SMFEWTM if I am attempting to determine how much processing is done after the SMFEWTM is issued. Assume I have already gathered all the data and now I am attempting to determine what I should do with it. For what

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jan MOEYERSONS wrote: BTW: I really can't understand marketing names like z196, TS1140, or DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially used), MAGSTAR, T-REX, MtBlanc or Cindy Crawford? A rose, by any other name... Begin with dinousaurus names ( :-D ), then reptile names,

Re: IEHLIST LISTVTOC inconsistency

2012-04-17 Thread John Eells
Please open a PMR. Gord Tomlin wrote: I just ran into a situation where IEHLIST is providing different results for the same volume depending upon whether it is run from a z/OS 1.11 system or a z/OS 1.13 system. snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com

Re: IEHLIST LISTVTOC inconsistency

2012-04-17 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Do you have any specifics? What difference are you seeing? What kind of volume? Etc. I would like to test on our systems Thanks, Jon -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:25 AM To:

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread McKown, John
Only if you consider a Marine to be in the Navy (Technically, they are under the department of the Navy). But you'll do that only if you don't mind losing some teeth. grin -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread McKown, John
I've tried, but I seem to have a mental block on getting the NFS server working on z/OS. I use the client to a Linux server with no problem. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Lloyd Fuller
PFC = Private First Class. An Army rank. The Marines may also use it. Lloyd - Original Message From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, April 16, 2012 7:27:30 PM Subject: Re: GO TO cobol On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:45:21 -0500, Matthew Stitt wrote:

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Lloyd Fuller
In 1969, and until sometime in the 1970s or later, the Army programming school was at Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indiana. Graduated in March 1969 as a Staff Sergeant converted to a SP6. Programming since then. lLOYD - Original Message From: Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net To:

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread McKown, John
Thanks. It's reassuring that I'm no stupider than usual. I don't have PL/I, but from looking at the manual, it seems to suffer from the same problem. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ibm3pg80/1.4.1.4 And FORTRAN doesn't even seem to support any z/OS UNIX usage at all.

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Patrick Roehl
This is true, but I prefer to use the end constructs because they are safer. The safety comes from the compiler complaining about IF and END-Ifs not matching. An errant period generates no such indicator and causes a bug. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: z/OS every two years (Official announcment)

2012-04-17 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
... I don't know about FTPS or SFTP (variant of ssh). Can someone suggest a publicly accessible site(s) I can experiment with? testcase.boulder.ibm.com supports FTPS. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Jeff Holst
Without the GO TO, Grace Hopper might have been forever stuck in Japan. Many years ago, I was at an ACM meeting where Grace Hopper was a speaker. One of the stories she told was of a visit to a data center in Japan. Somehow, she was left there without an interpretter. The folks at the data

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Scott Ford
Whatever happened to everyone talking about structured COBOL code. I usually perform paragraph- name thru paragraph- name exit. I but agree flow logic in COBOL need revision. Especially, when you in the middle of the perform. Using 'continue' to good, but sometimes deadlines force you to write

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Scott Ford
Lloyd, My father was a Unisys CE at the Fort for many years... Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: In 1969, and until sometime in the 1970s or later, the Army programming school was at Fort

Re: Modernizing the BCP code ?

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAHm_n2=bqdhewx5mvmbt3weqq0dfwewwf_w7m4j46oatpyf...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/13/2012 at 09:23 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said: With the explosion of new instructions, at what point does writing hand-written assembler code become less and less practical? I would have thought that it was

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Jan MOEYERSONS jan.moeyers...@adelior.be wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:41:51 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: BTW: I really can't understand marketing names like z196, TS1140, or DS8000. Why don't they use names like Jaguar (ok, it's partially

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Probably at the Army Finance Center there. I think that they used Unisys. Lloyd - Original Message From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tue, April 17, 2012 9:36:59 AM Subject: Re: GO TO cobol Lloyd, My father was a Unisys CE at the Fort for many

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Scott Ford
Yes sir, for many years, large systems CE ... Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Probably at the Army Finance Center there. I think that they used Unisys. Lloyd - Original Message

Re: Dynamic LPA module use count- who's using the module ?

2012-04-17 Thread Peter Relson
Does anyone know if there is a way of finding out which address spaces are using these previous versions with the non-zero use counts ? Brute force: you could schedule an SRB to every address space and, for every task in that address space, with appropriate serialization, run the TCBLLS queue

Re: ADR938E - PROBLEM WITH FASTREPLICATION

2012-04-17 Thread John Dawes
Gerhard,   No, both volumes are on the same controller.  I found that the target address was a 3390-9 instead of 3390-27.  The error message is very misleading.   Thanks. From: Gerhard Weisshaar gerhard_weissh...@compuserve.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent:

Re: Detail SMF record processing

2012-04-17 Thread William Richardson
Not much to tell you here .. SMF(e)WTM invokes a process which does some initial validation of the input and environment and then reads an in-storeage table to see if the record type(/subtype) has been requested by the user (via the parms in SMFPRMxx) and then, IF the record type was

Re: ADR938E - PROBLEM WITH FASTREPLICATION

2012-04-17 Thread John Dawes
Rex,   My apologies, I truncated the message.  Here it is in its entirety:   ADR006I (052)-STEND(01), 2012.106 08:41:32 EXECUTION BEGINS ADR918I (052)-DDTFP(01), FAST REPLICATION COULD NOT BE USED FOR VOLUME RXTRS1, RETURN CODE 1   ADR938E (052)-DDTFP(01),

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-04-17 16:30, Mike Schwab pisze: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Jan MOEYERSONS jan.moeyers...@adelior.be wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:41:51 +0200, R.S.r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: BTW: I really can't understand marketing names like z196, TS1140, or DS8000. Why don't

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:38:22 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:29:23 -0600, Jerry Whitteridge wrote: Has anyone tried (apart from Paul G) exporting the PDSE via NFS and mounting it at a z/Unix mountpoint on the same system ? That should be able to provide

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread Hal Merritt
You answered your own question. 'Marketing names' are perceived to 'sound much better than...' by marketing types. The names may or may not reflect anything technical. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent:

SMS QUESTION

2012-04-17 Thread willie bunter
I encountered the problem with defining a VSAM EXTENDED dsn at a recent disaster recovery.  The SMS rules - ACS or DC, MC ,SC SG - are the same as in our production system.  However I could not understand the reason for this problem.  As a work around I defined the MCDS to use 4,000 cylinders

Re: ADR938E - PROBLEM WITH FASTREPLICATION

2012-04-17 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Hmm, the RC=1 is odd, especially seeing that you found the problem 3390-27--3390-9. I would have expected it to have sent back a return code 2 indicating a problem on the target. I wonder what would have happened if you had changed it to FR(PREF) instead of FR(REQ). I know it would have

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
R. Skorupka wrote: I have never heard someone saying: I'm using Ford product 2817-M15 known as z196... Neither me too, but I agree 101% with what you said. The same here, when we are talking about Hilux, it is about Toyota DoubleCab Bakkie. (Bakkie - pickup truck) ... and car thieves are

Re: SMS QUESTION

2012-04-17 Thread Staller, Allan
Apparently you have already looked up the relevant return code/reason code (IDC3009I RC140 RSN110). Lots of hits in IBM DB, for RC140, but none w/RSN110 0) Was SMS fully activated w/o errors at the time? 1) is the original dataset SMS managed? And Extended format? 2) Are you sure of you SMS

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:59:59 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: I ran an exec similar to this from TSO to mount the PDSE on the local system: /* rexx */ Address TSO MOUNT FILESYSTEM(NFS_ZELD) TYPE(NFS) , MOUNTPOINT('/u/zelden/testnfs') , PARM('SYST:ZELDEN.TEST.PDSE,text,xlat(Y)') Can you

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Kirk Wolf
To the original question, you should be able to use a Unix directory and files in place of a PDS or PDSE in any program (with limitations), since BPAM provides simulation for these. Details can be found in z/OS DFSMS Using Datasets under Processing z/OS Unix files -

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:35:19 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:59:59 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: I ran an exec similar to this from TSO to mount the PDSE on the local system: /* rexx */ Address TSO MOUNT FILESYSTEM(NFS_ZELD) TYPE(NFS) ,

Re: SMS QUESTION

2012-04-17 Thread Hervey Martinez
Whatever DataClass is being assigned to the MCDS, it is not defined with extended addressing -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SMS

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Ed Finnell
I didn't get there 'til '76. They had a CDC 3300 as the main record keeper with somebody's MassStor and several ancillary processors. I didn't notice the unit record equipment just the sound of a drum bouncing around in the bottom of the cage. The programming course was taught on DOS under

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread McKown, John
As the OP, I thought I'm mention that I finally got the z/OS NFS server to allow me to mount a high-level onto a z/OS UNIX subdirectory on the same system. I could then successfully use the cob2 command to compile a COBOL program which did a COPY CEEIGZCT from the mounted subdirectory. I

Re: SMS QUESTION

2012-04-17 Thread R.S.
My guess: you tried to define dataset 4GB limit (*). RC 140 RSN 110 say about it. To Allan: I would suggest to use regular IBM documentation and regular BookManager search utility ;-) I'm serious: 3 clicks and you have the answer. I don't know what is the reason of the problem, but it can be

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2012-04-17 18:53, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze: [...] Sh, kiddies are reading this and we greybeards must behave. ;-D Kiddies here? Are you KIDDING? This is mainframe list! Avg member still remember Ford T premiere vbg -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Steve Comstock
On 4/17/2012 12:53 PM, McKown, John wrote: As the OP, I thought I'm mention that I finally got the z/OS NFS server to allow me to mount a high-level onto a z/OS UNIX subdirectory on the same system. I could then successfully use the cob2 command to compile a COBOL program which did a COPY

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread McKown, John
Definitely I would prefer that the command directly supported PDS PDSE datasets. NFS is a horrible overhead to me, being a CPU miser. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone *

Re: Origins of numeric assignation of z196 z114

2012-04-17 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Kid-die noun, 1. In mainframe parlance, anybody of age less than 50. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Origins of numeric assignation

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Lloyd Fuller
When I went in 1969, we used a 1401 with 4 tape drives. We were taught COBOL but could not compile: the COBOL compiler for the 1401 needed either disk or at least 6 tape drives. We also learned to program PCM and two Univac SAAL computers that were in use by the Army at the time. Lloyd

Re: Is there a way to cause SRB to TCB percolation if an XCF exit fails?

2012-04-17 Thread Peter Relson
As Mark Brooks basically said, with current functionality, the SRB exit routine must issue CALLRTM TYPE=ABTERM,RETRY=NO (whether from its mainline or its own recovery) if the XCF module that calls the exit routine is not to retry. If the exit routine wants this to be predictable, it would be

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Awesome - glad we could get it worked out. Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John

Re: IEHLIST LISTVTOC inconsistency

2012-04-17 Thread Gord Tomlin
The volumes are 3390. The rest of the information is in the OP. A PMR has been submitted. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 On 2012-04-17 07:36, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: Do you have any

Re: IEHLIST LISTVTOC inconsistency

2012-04-17 Thread Tony Harminc
On 16 April 2012 23:32, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:37:54 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: Actually, they probrably would document that SYSLIB DD name cannot be used to with z/OS 1.12 and above to allow for testing alternate versions of the program. Are you

Re: brand new CF LPAR

2012-04-17 Thread Skip Robinson
Each structure definition in the CFRM policy requires a PREFLIST to indicate where to allocate the structure. The PREFLIST contains one or more names as defined at the top of the policy. Although IBM recommends that NAME match the CF LPAR where it resides, that correspondence is not required.

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Tom Ross
On 4/16/2012 3:26 PM, McKown, John wrote: If so, have you figured out how to specify a PDS as an include or copybooksource? The documentation for this command basically stinks. There is an -I switch. But it apparently only accepts UNIX path specifications. The ld command (binder) accepts a

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:07:18 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: On 4/17/2012 12:53 PM, McKown, John wrote: As the OP, I thought I'm mention that I finally got the z/OS NFS server to allow me to mount a high-level onto a z/OS UNIX subdirectory on the same system. Clever and resourceful. But certainly

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Steve Comstock
On 4/17/2012 4:04 PM, Tom Ross wrote: On 4/16/2012 3:26 PM, McKown, John wrote: If so, have you figured out how to specify a PDS as an include or copybooksource? The documentation for this command basically stinks. There is an -I switch. But it apparently only accepts UNIX path

Re: IEHLIST LISTVTOC inconsistency

2012-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:49:24 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: Actually, they probrably would document that SYSLIB DD name cannot be used to with z/OS 1.12 and above to allow for testing alternate versions of the program. Are you thinking, rather, perhaps, of STEPLIB? Its likely that they internally

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:29:13 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: Cheers, TomR COBOL is the Language of the Future! So, in other words, you'll make the exclusion explicit instead of removing the restriction. :-) But, I gather from some of the discussions, and your comments, on this list, you are

Re: IEHLIST LISTVTOC inconsistency

2012-04-17 Thread Tony Harminc
On 17 April 2012 18:37, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:49:24 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: I doubt that the IEH utilities use DYNALLOC. They long predate the very existence of DYNALLOC, and while they may, of course, have been updated, I suspect they continue to

Re: z/OS V1R13 testing after migration

2012-04-17 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Alvaro,   Along with your ServerPac, there are instructions for testing system components/products and a library,  *.SPAC.IVPLIB with some jobs in it.  There is also some info in the Installing Your Order manual.    The migration guide has a lot of info about changes and things that

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 04/16/2012 at 08:34 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: Also remember that COBOL, at least originally, was supposed to be very English-like Not to native Anglophones :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: z/OS every two years (Official announcment)

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1BA00CBB414DA34AA25ED82F4647CDE20621604B42@MAIL02.fisalan.nycnet, on 04/12/2012 at 10:05 AM, Sevetson, Phil psevet...@fisa.nyc.gov said: Guys, there's this thing they call the Internet, Really? Is it magic? Because if it isn't magic then it doesn't address the issue. NTW, you might ask

Re: SV: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a90e503c23f97441b05ee302853b0e626402a60...@fspas01ev010.fspa.myntet.se, on 04/16/2012 at 03:42 PM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.se said: (BTW, How do You imagine the behavior if the Signal DID NOT trash the DO nesting? The Devil is in the details. Contrast Rexx with PL/I. In PL/I a

Re: Query about overcoming -- debunking, countering, and burying --mainframe myths

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4f84ecfe.7060...@gabegold.com, on 04/10/2012 at 10:31 PM, Gabe Goldberg g...@gabegold.com said: What are the worst -- most ridiculous, most outdated -- myths you've recently heard? Not recent, but a customer once approached me with a COBOL program that was getting a program check. I asked

Re: PL/I with variable PLISTs (was: LE C calling HLASM)

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 04/11/2012 at 12:32 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: Given all the above facts, I wonder if it is time to abandon, in our own code, the practice of indicating end-of-list by setting the high order bit

Re: z/OS every two years (Official announcment)

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea00e924b3...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 04/13/2012 at 10:16 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: I do like the PDFs. I have all the CICS and z/OS system PDFs downloaded to my PC and on my Kindle DX. I don't like reading them on my PC due to the

Re: IEL1CL not found

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In canhhcyt8x5jtwe3ncftd5rsnltuotyykzzydd7qbdykqeuq...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/17/2012 at 08:18 AM, jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.com said: Could anyone please point me to the right direction. Where does SMP think it is? Is that library in the proclib concatenation you're using? --

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1334665025.13456.yahoomai...@web180919.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 04/17/2012 at 05:17 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said: In 1969, and until sometime in the 1970s or later, the Army programming school was at Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indiana. Uncle Bennie's Rest Home. Indianapolis

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4809508338399138.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 04/16/2012 at 08:10 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Rexx is a nightmare here. No. The signal statement in Rexx is not a go to. What is a nightmare is using a hammer as a screwdriver. Not that Rexx doesn't have issues,

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 45e5f2f45d7878458ee5ca679697335502e25...@usdaexch01.kbm1.loc, on 04/16/2012 at 12:01 PM, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com said: BTW, I agree w/Dykstra. Maintaining a structured program is far easier than spaghetti code. False dichotomy. You can have spaghetti code without goto and

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In gmcoo7556nqho5rueq0jugpaop83t96...@4ax.com, on 04/16/2012 at 05:57 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: But with GOTOless programming the logic is easier to read. Except when it's harder. The real issue is structuring the code so that it's easier to read and maintain, not

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cajtoo5_idwr_3ryqqqfonyhewxdte5yssj0lwdjg0-svbka...@mail.gmail.com, on 04/16/2012 at 09:32 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: TLA for ARMY Private FIrst Class. Give me back my Air Force. I believe that the Marines also have the rank. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg

Re: ZOS 1.13 SMPTABL Mystery

2012-04-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4c9510dff1800349929e187eaf4a7cc214ac73d...@exchange.classic.pchad.com, on 04/13/2012 at 11:46 AM, Dazzo, Matt mda...@pch.com said: I have installed Z1.13 and it's up and running in our test lpar. Seems dsn= SYS1.SMP.SMPTABL is not on the new res volume. I checked the CPAC alloc and restore

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Listen to Every OS Sucks by 3 Dead Trolls in a Baggie. --     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Animated version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg0iRd4i0qk -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Apr 2012 07:35:00 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: This topic I cannot resist... Uggg... Having learned COBOL in the mid 70's, the instructor taught that PERFORM was to be used only in situations where you wanted to do a certain routine at several locations in the

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Apr 2012 13:46:08 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 04/16/2012 10:57:47 AM: From: Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com The elimination of GOTOs was to save people time at the cost of CPU time. ? Obviously,

Reversing the Catalog Definition entries

2012-04-17 Thread Jake anderson
Hi All, I am just curious to know if we have indirectly cataloged one set of volume lets say ZX2RS2 to SYSR2. Can we change back the entries in Master Catalog from SYSR2 to ZX2RS2 ? Could anyone please advise me if such options are available to do so. Jake

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Apr 2012 11:02:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: A dirty myth about COBOL is the belief the THRU is required and that SECTIONs are a good idea. Unless specifically required by SORT or something, I never used either. It has been 20+ years since I did much COBOL. Haven't had the

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Apr 2012 14:25:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I have many years' experience writing COBOL code and have used GO TO and THRU only as a means of exiting a paragraph. I frequently code paragraph subroutines that perform a series of related edits, and would use them like this:

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Apr 2012 14:32:30 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Use of NEXT SENTENCE is as dangerous as GO TO. Try using CONTINUE. The former takes you to the next period; the latter takes you to the end of the current conditional. One missed period and

Re: Reversing the Catalog Definition entries

2012-04-17 Thread retired mainframer
If you bring the datasets up in ISPF 3.4, just type a U in front of the DSN(s) and when that completes, type a C :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On :: Behalf Of Jake anderson :: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:48 PM :: To:

Re: Reversing the Catalog Definition entries

2012-04-17 Thread Jake anderson
Hello , If you bring the datasets up in ISPF 3.4, just type a U in front of the DSN(s) and when that completes, type a C Are there any sample JCLs which would perform the above stuff at once for all 214 datasets. Jake On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:41 AM, retired mainframer

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread John McKown
I do use a UNIX subdirectory on my SYSEXEC concatenation. But, as you said, it cannot be first. So I have an empty PDS with FB/80 as the first DSN in the concatenation. A clumsy work around, but at least it works for me. On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 17:27 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr

Re: Anybody use the cob2 command on a UNIX shell to compile COBOL?

2012-04-17 Thread John McKown
Guess I am spoiled by the assembler (as command) and C/C++ compiler's support of both UNIX paths and z/OS PDS[E]s. I have a, to me, clumsy way to get around it. I started up the NFS server and exported the high level qualifier that had the PDS[E]s that I needed, then did a MOUNT onto a z/OS UNIX

Re: Reversing the Catalog Definition entries

2012-04-17 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Hello , If you bring the datasets up in ISPF 3.4, just type a U in front of the DSN(s) and when that completes, type a C Are there any sample JCLs which would perform the above stuff at once for all 214

Re: GO TO cobol

2012-04-17 Thread Ed Gould
Loyd: Fort Wauchooka (sp??) rings a bell somewhere in my cob ridden memory. But I also now remember Ft Ben Harrison (now). I remember the guys talking about the desert and thats about all. Ed On Apr 17, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Lloyd Fuller wrote: In 1969, and until sometime in the 1970s or