We have production systems that have to deal with these sorts of issues. For us
the solution was to use a utility I'm afraid, we have pkzip on zos so we zip
and unzip as required. Pkzip has the parms to define cr/lf and eof handling.
If you can receive into zos then try locsite wrap (maybe site
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:53:47 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I don't have any kind of problem with mainframes or the way they are. I
accept the fact they are different from what I am used to, and at the same
time I am interested. It's
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect a single service call to IBM costs, in the aggregate, more
than an entire desktop system.
Have you priced a support call with
I have not made it work yet but I am convinced that the best way to handle
sending files that use LF as the new line indicator to a system that
understands CRLF as the new line indicator is to use a special translation
table (Translate x'15' to x'25'). In the z/OS case I updated the
On 2/6/2012 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect a single service call to IBM costs, in the aggregate, more
than an entire desktop
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:57:40 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote:
On 2/6/2012 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect a single service call to
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote:
On 2/6/2012 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect
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No; my point is that most personal Windows customers can endure
the entire life of the product without making such a call; most z/OS
customers can't.
Most Windows customers can endure booting
Tony,
It ain't cheap
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:53:47 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I
That's your opinion, nowadays, yes, ten or more years ago, no
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012
Yep, that I agree with, I am an old dinosaur, but fine the experience we all
have is pretty much contained to us older creatures, kids don't want to know
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:25:09 -0500, Scott Ford wrote:
That's your opinion, nowadays, yes, ten or more years ago, no
On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
No; my point is that most personal Windows customers can endure
the entire life of the product without making such a call;
Gil,
No worries, My fault, guess I am old school. I make calls no matter what the
posts, I am just that kinda of guy who wants to know how things work.
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
Paul Gilmartin writes:
Exactly; I mean per installation. The putative personal z/OS
makes each customer a systems programmer. You can run
a Linux/OS X/Windows system without a systems programmer;
not likely z/OS. (But note that when IBM makes steps in that
direction, many contributors to this
On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:53:47 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I don't have any kind of problem with mainframes or the way they are. I
accept the fact they are different from what I am used to, and at the same
time I am interested. It's just I don't want to put all my time in them.
With some amount of
Umph. Not quite sure why, but this inpired in me an idea. Since
cubicles are used in lots of offices. Almost all of them have a
computer work station. Installing a computer is tricky.
Under the cubicle desktop, a slot for 1 desktop computer or the
equvalent thickness of blade servers. On
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From: Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, February 2, 2012 4:45:30 PM
Subject: Re: gcc on z/OS (was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012, McKown, John wrote:
FWIW, gcc stands for GNU Compiler Collection. It is owned
(copyrighted) by the Free
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 05:31:12 -0800, Lloyd Fuller wrote:
There is an older version of GCC that is ported to z/OS on the CBT. As far as
I
am concerned one of the advantages of GCC is that it is NOT LE so you can use
it
in places that you cannot use normal z/OS C. And it has a larger library than
what I need them to do.
Lloyd
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Subject: Re: gcc on z/OS (was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 05:31:12 -0800, Lloyd Fuller wrote:
There is an older
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202022034530.30...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/02/2012
at 10:45 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said:
Every time I learn something about MVS or z, I don't do
something else.
I didn't mean that learning about MVS was a lot of work, but rather
that enhancing a large program like
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202022034530.30...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/02/2012
at 10:45 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said:
Every time I learn something about MVS or z, I don't do
something else.
I didn't mean that learning about MVS was a
Of
Tomasz Rola
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Subject: Re: gcc on z/OS (was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202022034530.30...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/02/2012
at 10:45 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Sevetson, Phil wrote:
Tomasz, I hear where you're coming from with time is fixed, but
in-my-opinion it acts more like an expense stream, and a sunk cost. No
matter what you're doing with it, it's going by.
Ehem :-). I am not sure if I read you well. I guess this is a
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012, McKown, John wrote:
FWIW, gcc stands for GNU Compiler Collection. It is owned
(copyrighted) by the Free Software Foundation. It is licensed under the
GPL and the source code is freely available. There is a port for the z
series, but hosted on z/Linux, not z/OS and
On Thu, 2 Feb 2012, Tomasz Rola wrote:
Yeah, I started to wonder myself, so I downloaded source of gcc-4.6.2,
unpacked and started to poke around, semi randomly. So far, I can be sure
only about the size of unpacked source, it is above 600 megabytes. I tried
Um, nope. I wrote it too fast.
IBM does not charge for z/OS access in the Master the Mainframe contests:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/university/contest
The North American contest is typically held during the North American
autumn each year. There have been (and will be) other Master the
Mainframe contests in other parts
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:45 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
Sorry about that. I misspoke, I do not know if anyone or any
organization is porting
On 31 January 2012 19:44, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote:
My question about courts etc was because I think even if there is any
kind of court in the land of Linux, it is peopled by a bunch of ronins. So
there is no central authority that could decide now we go into z/OS or
something.
Charles
Haven't you noticed that, in recent years, bull-fighting has been deprecated in
its heartlands?
... (don't shoot me, Chris) ...
Why not - when you put yourself in my sights?
... an entire USS ... path ...
The following are the principal - if not the entire - paths:
5.11,
Brig. MacNeil
Based on (1) a comment I seem to recall him making a while ago and (2) not
having seen him post lately,
maybe that should be Brig. MacNeil (Ret.)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:28:40 -0600
From: chrisma...@belgacom.net
Subject: Hands up! (Was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
To: IBM
The cpp files are currently on my windows system. I am attempting to send them
to my z/OS system.
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Subject: Hands up! (Was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
Charles
Haven't you noticed
jayrelim
Based on ... (2) not having seen him post lately,
Last post - appropriate? - on IBM-MAIN is dated 30 Dec last year:
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:59:26 +
But I
I relish Chris Mason's posts. There are an unconscionable number of
[to the rest of the world obscure] Americanisms used here without
thought, and Chris gets his own back by using what are to many
Americans equally obscure Briticisms.
How many of the Americans here can recite on the curate's egg
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:48:11 -0600, Donald Likens wrote:
It looks like Wordpad did convert the file to CRLF properly (because it looked
much better in notepad after I saved it). Thanks
FSVO properly.
Which answers some of the questions. But where did that alien
C++ file come from, and how did
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[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:48:11 -0600, Donald Likens wrote
.
yet snother senior moment, and I know a retrsction is not
necessaruly good enough.
I'm gone from this list due to my failing memory
And, yes, last post would be appropriate.
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:36:53 -0600
From: chrisma...@belgacom.net
Subject: Re: Hands up! (Was: CPP (C++) file
...@belgacom.net
Subject: Re: Hands up! (Was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
jayrelim
Based on ... (2) not having seen him post lately,
Last post - appropriate? - on IBM-MAIN is dated 30 Dec last year:
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202010124290.1...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/01/2012
at 01:44 AM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said:
On the other hand, I know of no real reason that would prevent
anybody with knowledge of z/OS internals
You don't need knowledge of z/OS internals. However, it's a lot of
work.
Gilmartin
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Subject: Re: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:27:00 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
BTW, it will want to be a .C (upper case) file to compile it with the
IBM C compiler.
Do you mean .C for C++ versus .c for C
Of Paul Gilmartin
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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:27:00 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
BTW, it will want to be a .C (upper case) file to compile it with the
IBM C compiler.
Do you mean .C for C++ versus .c
In 6816953009762856.wa.dlikensinfosecinc@bama.ua.edu, on
01/30/2012
at 08:47 PM, Donald Likens dlik...@infosecinc.com said:
I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that
.CPP files do not have new line indicators'
Unlikely.
because when I FTP it I get one long record
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:10:26 -0800, Sam Siegel wrote:
.C (cpp) and .c (c) are recognized source file type designations in
the unix world. XLC has a ton of stuff in common with GNU's compiler
suite. IBM donated a ton of time, effort and IP to the GNU compiler
suite a ways back.
Then they
As far as I know that is in the Linux court.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:10:26 -0800, Sam Siegel wrote:
.C (cpp) and .c (c) are recognized source file type designations in
the unix world. XLC has a ton of stuff in common
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
As far as I know that is in the Linux court.
I wonder what do you mean?
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
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** As the answer, master did rm -rif on the programmer's home**
** directory. And
Sorry about that. I misspoke, I do not know if anyone or any
organization is porting the gcc suite of tools to z/OS.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
As far as I know that is in the Linux court.
I wonder what do
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
Sorry about that. I misspoke, I do not know if anyone or any
organization is porting the gcc suite of tools to z/OS.
No need to be sorry about anything, I am ok :-).
I just did a quick search and found via goog that man named David Pitts
did some port,
I believe that GCCMVS is an active project.
On 1/31/2012 4:44 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
Sorry about that. I misspoke, I do not know if anyone or any
organization is porting the gcc suite of tools to z/OS.
No need to be sorry about anything, I am ok :-).
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Jim Phoenix wrote:
I believe that GCCMVS is an active project.
Oh, I knew about this one and I forgot to mention it. Must have been
cosmic rays.
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
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** As the answer, master did
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
Sorry about that. I misspoke, I do not know if anyone or any
organization is porting the gcc suite of tools to z/OS.
No need to be sorry about anything, I am ok :-).
I just did a
Did not have enough memory in a 24 bit 16MB MVS 3.8J Turnkey 3 region.
So they added an option to partition 31 bit memory above the 15MB
line to get GCCMVS to compile itself. Most compiles can run in normal
24 bit region size. RPF 380 was created to allow editing larger
files. All other
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:55:25 -0800, Jim Phoenix wrote:
I believe that GCCMVS is an active project.
Errr... If it were active it would be GCCZOS.
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
My thinking is that because of the lack of availability of low cost
zSeries HW and z/OS very few independant developers will directly any
application/utility development towards z/OS.
I agree, it is hard for me to see how availability of entry level z/OS
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Sam Siegel wrote:
My thinking is that because of the lack of availability of low cost
zSeries HW and z/OS very few independant developers will directly any
application/utility development towards z/OS.
I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that .CPP files do
not have new line indicators because when I FTP it I get one long record that
exceeds 32765 bytes and the FTP failes. Also when I read these file with
notepad they are one long stream. Any advise
:47 PM
:: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
:: Subject: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
::
:: I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that .CPP
:: files do not have new line indicators because when I FTP it I get one
:: long record that exceeds 32765 bytes and the FTP failes. Also when I
:: read
at 20:47 -0600, Donald Likens wrote:
I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that .CPP
files do not have new line indicators because when I FTP it I get one
long record that exceeds 32765 bytes and the FTP failes. Also when I
read these file with notepad they are one long
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:47:14 -0600, Donald Likens wrote:
I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that .CPP files
do not have new line indicators because when I FTP it I get one long record
that exceeds 32765 bytes and the FTP failes. Also when I read these file
: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that .CPP files
do not have new line indicators because when I FTP it I get one long record
that exceeds 32765 bytes and the FTP failes. Also when
.
Charles
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: CPP (C++) file on z/OS
I am attempting to port a C++ (.CPP) file to z/OS. I appears that .CPP
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:27:00 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
BTW, it will want to be a .C (upper case) file to compile it with the IBM C
compiler.
Do you mean .C for C++ versus .c for C? Otherwise I've never
encountered that restriction. Might you have a bad suffix rule
in a makefile?
-- gil
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:25:04 -0600, John McKown wrote:
... wordpad will properly recognize the UNIX
style line endings. You can then do a save function and wordpad will
change the line endings from UNIX style to Windows style.
Which is better than nothing, but it really ought to give the
user
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