Ted MacNeil of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
wrote on 03/03/2008 05:01:58 PM:
I have put a filter on my e-mail to no longer receive these posts
regarding hand-outs.
Rather than b*tching at IBM-Main, could you please take your
complaints to somebody (eg: SHARE) who
Another issue is SHARE claiming copyright on materials. Some employers
have issues with that, and I know there are speakers who find that
particularly offensive - myself included. I choose to share what I know
with peers without charge at SHARE; that does NOT give SHARE the
ownership or copyright
I like this USB pen drive idea. Put the Share Logo and Year on it and
preload it with the agenda and as many of the PDFs, Powerpoints as possible
before the meeting and make the remainder available from a website running
in the exhibition hall (Apache under linux under z/VM on a z10?). I will
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Handout hogs still roam from room to room grabbing handouts, making it
hard to have enough for the people who actually stay and listen.
Why? Either they are too lazy to download a pdf (or thee won't be
one). ...
... ... I
There are some curious arguments in the handouts
discussion. My basic assumptions are: (a) It is good
to have attendees go to SHARE so we should give them
what they want. (b) One of the main goals at SHARE is
to get as much information as possible to as many
people as possible, however that might
I have put a filter on my e-mail to no longer receive these posts regarding
hand-outs.
Rather than b*tching at IBM-Main, could you please take your complaints to
somebody (eg: SHARE) who might actually care.
And, then we could get back to mainframe topics.
(A concerned IBM-Main poster, or
(This is tagged on Norman's post because I was on it when I deicded to add
my $20.00 worth.)
There are way too many posts on this subject for me to try and get all the
right information and separate out the wrong information. The problem begins
with attendees believing the handout was paid for
In a message dated 3/2/2008 9:43:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Commenting/complaining to SHARE is worthwhile. I encourage the non-
complainers to write too. Surveys of only bad-mouthing responses does not
show how many happy people are out there. If 95% of the
And that didn't work in college?
One speaker actually suggested that the attendee might
take notes on a pad of some sort (remember college?) and
then download the presentation and transfer the notes to
the presentation; rather than write the notes directly
on the presentation handout, as was
Kenneth E Tomiak wrote:
[snip]
I don't know the best answer, certainly making attendees realize this is a
USER group conference and handouts are not part of the conference fee is
part of it.
Excellent post, Ken!
It's important to point out that it has *always* been the case that some
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Every presentation I gave had a handout. And, every presentation I
attended had a handout.
Correction! There was no hand out for the Bit Bucket -- Friday @ 11 am.
That ad-hoc session is traditionally composed on-site, during the
conference, by the presenters. No
Thanks Ed. I try to separate fact from fiction. And then of course, there are
always opinions floating around based on neither.
I'm always looking for users to present on a topic of interest to SHARE, not
just MVS SCP.
--
For
.
Decisions and agreement are slow to materialize. I sent my request for a
survey and my happiness with no handouts to SHARE. Things go on behind the
scenes that we are not all aware of. I hear the SHARE website is getting a
facelift around the June timeframe. Perhaps a survey can happen. I'm just
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:43:09 -0600, Kenneth E Tomiak
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Do speakers over-estimate how popular their session will be? NO!
...
Sure, some do. And others sometimes greatly underestimate a
suddenly very timely session based on poor past attendance. Both
happen all the
However, one aspect bothers me greatly:
That is a new emphasis on 'being green.' And how does
SHARE propose to save the planet? A: By encouraging
speakers to NOT pass out the customary handouts which
show the slides to be presented during their talk.
The assumption is that attendees can
In a message dated 3/1/2008 6:51:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Going Green is a euphemism for we want to save money by not providing
copiers at the conference. SHARE does not discourage speakers from
distributing
paper handouts; it just doesn't want to incur
You copy your paper and pay for how many pages you copied.
There was a business center in the convention center where anyone could have
copies made for a fee. There is no reason to provide a competing service. It's
also no secret that places such as Kinko's provide copying services.
SHARE
(several guys) wrote:
You copy your paper and pay for how many pages you copied.
There was a business center in the convention center where anyone could have
copies made for a fee. There is no reason to provide a competing service. It's
also no secret that places such as Kinko's provide
COMMON, the IBM midrange (System i, iSeries and AS/400) user group
(www.common.org), which is very similar to SHARE, began a similar
exercise about 5 years ago. They started distributing hand-outs on CDs,
instead of paper copies, to reduce costs and save a tree. Many people
complained loudly
-snip--
What I would love to see happen is that the handouts are on flash drives
or they could load the handouts on my flash drive so I can take notes
directly on my computer.
unsnip-
Or on CD-ROM or DVD. Then there would be two
Warner Mach wrote:
SHARE is now wrapping up and was, as usual, highly
worthwhile ... However, one aspect bothers me greatly:
That is a new emphasis on 'being green.' And how does
SHARE propose to save the planet? A: By encouraging
speakers to NOT pass out the customary handouts which
show the
I too would like to weigh in on this subject. I would much prefer having the
handout to look at and take notes on while I'm in a session. I haven't been to
Share for 3 or 4 years now. Mostly because the last 2 years at PH they were
closing the datacenter, and didn't want to pay for any
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Of Edward Jaffe
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Subject: Re: SHARE no handouts(?)
Warner Mach wrote:
SHARE is now wrapping up and was, as usual, highly
worthwhile ... However, one aspect
SHARE in Costa Rico anytime soon ? :)
Getting through US customs as a foreign national is just too much of
a
PITA.
Going through US security as a US citizen is no fun either, nor is
foreign
travel for US citizens. It's unfortunate.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
: SHARE no handouts(?)
I too would like to weigh in on this subject. I would much prefer having the
handout to look at and take notes on while I'm in a session. I haven't been to
Share for 3 or 4 years now. Mostly because the last 2 years at PH they were
closing the datacenter, and didn't
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:15 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Only a very tiny subset of speakers, those that were accustomed to
printing their handouts on SHARE's dime, were affected. For them, two
obvious alternatives were suggested: a)
Mark Post wrote:
(Even doubled-sided 2-up copies add up when you're giving 7 hours or so of
sessions. Anything like 4-up gets as many complaints as no handouts.)
I have for many years distributed handouts that are 4-up, double-sided
i.e., 8 slides per physical sheet and never, ever had a
Good thing it all gets recycled ...
But, like a paging operation, the best recycled material is the stuff that
doesn't have to be recycled.
Now, can we drop this thread, please.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: SHARE no handouts(?)
In a message dated 3/1/2008 6:51:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Going
Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz wrote:
By the way, Eric, you can reduce your registration costs but doing a
presentation at
SHARE. Each day you do one, you get to attend that day for free. Granted, it
doesn't
help with travel and hotel, but it is something.
Be sure to work with the
This is slightly off-topic, but relevant.
.
SHARE is now wrapping up and was, as usual, highly
worthwhile ... However, one aspect bothers me greatly:
That is a new emphasis on 'being green.' And how does
SHARE propose to save the planet? A: By encouraging
speakers to NOT pass out the customary
On 29 Feb 2008 10:18:17 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Warner Mach) wrote:
One speaker actually suggested that the attendee might
take notes on a pad of some sort (remember college?) and
then download the presentation and transfer the notes to
the presentation; rather than write the notes directly
on
What I would love to see happen is that the handouts are on flash drives or
they could load the handouts on my flash drive so I can take notes directly on
my computer.
Lizette
One speaker actually suggested that the attendee might
take notes on a pad of some sort (remember college?) and
then
It is more and more likely that you will see fewer and fewer handouts at
SHARE in the future. The trend seems to be toward not 'requiring' or
not 'suggesting' that speakers provide handouts for their sessions. A
position that I very strongly support.
Providing handouts is expensive. I paid
Lizette Koehler wrote:
What I would love to see happen is that the handouts are on flash drives or
they could load the handouts on my flash drive so I can take notes directly
on my computer.
Lizette
Thats a good idea. Place them on a SHARE server accessible via wireless
access or with
Of Rich Smrcina
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 1:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SHARE no handouts(?)
It is more and more likely that you will see fewer and fewer handouts at
SHARE in the future. The trend seems to be toward not 'requiring' or
not 'suggesting' that speakers provide
It is becoming more common. At IDUG in May there will be no handouts
(but the attendees will get a DVD with all the presentations.)
Mark Hammond
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It is more and more likely that you will see fewer and fewer handouts at
SHARE in the future. The trend seems
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:46:44 -0500, Lizette Koehler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I would love to see happen is that the handouts are on flash drives or
they could load the handouts on my flash drive so I can take notes directly
on my computer.
Most of the speakers have their handouts
.
Russell Witt
CA L2 Support Manager
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SHARE no handouts(?)
What I would love to see happen
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 23:42 -0600, Russell Witt wrote:
Nope, I like paper sessions that I can take notes on; and I like to handout
paper as well.
Me too.
There is also the small matter of the prospect of having your laptop
seized as you enter the friendly (???) good old US-of-A if you choose
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