Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-30 Thread Timothy Sipples
I've observed that the new InfoCenter format seems to enjoy a higher velocity of updates, corrections, and amplifications. If you look at the WebSphere Application Server for z/OS InfoCenter, for example, there are date stamps on certain pages within the past month. The InfoCenter format has been

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-30 Thread Martin Kline
Walt Farrell said: A DOC APAR would help in the interim, imho, but the OP doesn't seem to agree. I absolutely disagree. There's no seem to it. How often do you research DOC APARS for your manuals? Here's an example: Suppose you can't remember which register holds the remainder on a divide

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Or, just use the IBM copy and don't keep your own. There is an old joke regarding the circular arguments about documentation: Caller: The example on page 666 is incorrect. IBM: So what? It's only an example. Caller: How do I ... ? IBM: Use the example on page 666. Bad documentation hurts

Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Martin Kline
Does anyone know why IBM refuses to update their documentation any more? Once documentation is shipped, it is never supported. I have had this problem several times in the past few years. The software is not working as documented, but the support center determines the doc is wrong, not the

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Bobbie Justice
warrant it, they open a DOC or informational apar on it. - Original Message - From: Martin Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Supported Documentation Does anyone know why IBM refuses

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Martin Kline
But the next update to the manual doesn't occur until the release currently under development or later. Even IBM's online doc doesn't get updated for currently supported releases. I've sent them updates on a few documentation issues that need to be corrected, and lo and behold, they have

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Kline Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Supported Documentation Does anyone know why IBM refuses to update their documentation any more? Once

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Walt Farrell
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:12:53 -0500, Martin Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They tell me they will put in an untrackable request to update the documentation in a future release. Alternatively, you can send in the request yourself (check the book for suggestions on how to send in reader's

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Craddock, Chris
Does anyone know why IBM refuses to update their documentation any more? When I were a lad (back in the day) IBM used to mail out Technical News Letters (TNLs) on real dead-tree PAPER (gasp!) that you could insert in the proper place in your 3 ring binder PAPER copy of each manual. Those changes

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:29:29 -0400, Craddock, Chris wrote: When I were a lad (back in the day) IBM used to mail out Technical News Letters (TNLs) on real dead-tree PAPER (gasp!) that you could insert in the proper place in your 3 ring binder PAPER copy of each manual. Those changes could occur

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
When I were a lad (back in the day) IBM used to mail out Technical News Letters (TNLs) on real dead-tree PAPER (gasp!) that you could insert in the proper place in your 3 ring binder PAPER copy of each manual. Those changes could occur anywhere in the lifecycle of a product release. And we Liked

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:14:18 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:12:53 -0500, Martin Kline wrote: They tell me they will put in an untrackable request to update the documentation in a future release. Alternatively, you can send in the request yourself (check the book for

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Martin Kline
Gil wrote: And what help is that to the submitter's peers who are apt to encounter the same problem? That's exactly why updated doc should be made available. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Bill Klein
Having read the thread (so far), I have a few comments. (All of this is written assuming that what you want is semi-real-time updates to electronic versions of IBM documentation). 1) Even in the days of hard-copy TNL's, each TNL was reflected in a new dash-level. Do you REALLY want a new

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Walt Farrell
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:58:24 -0500, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:14:18 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:12:53 -0500, Martin Kline wrote: They tell me they will put in an untrackable request to update the documentation in a future release.

Re: Supported Documentation

2008-04-29 Thread Pinnacle
A DOC APAR would help in the interim, imho, but the OP doesn't seem to agree. -- Walt Farrell, CISSP IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design FWIW, I agree with the OP on DOC APARs. I've had many open for years and had to keep banging on IBM to get them incorporated into the manuals. RCF's work