On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:22:26 -0400, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com
wrote:
... IMHO, feature-by-feature comparisons are less important than the
total solution. It depends on how the performance analyst's role is
defined in your organization.
...
I'd say that feature-by-feature comparisons are VERY
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Hello there !!
We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone
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Hello there !!
We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone
not really tried out or
looked at the new features of Omegamon.
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First
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. . .. They also found that Omegamon was going to take 3 full time
people just to do the customization of Omegagmon and maintain it.
^
Freudian slip?
When we were looking at monitors we brought in Omegamon, TMON, and I think
BMC.
Omegamon sent people onsite to do the install which took several days to
install and customization several days more.
TMON sent tapes and documentation. I had it installed customized and up
and running in one day.
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. . .. They also found that Omegamon was going to take 3 full time
people just to do the customization of Omegagmon and maintain it.
^
Freudian
OMEGAMON and distributed servers:
OMEGAMON classic and OMEGAMON II 3270 applications do not require any
distributed installs. OMEGAMON XE and DE use a browser to provide a single GUI
for mainframe, distributed, Middleware, Systems Workload automation. This
GUI is optional, but recommended,
.
Gray
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Joseph H Winterton
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Kees:
...Or do you mean to say, that we can have this all
Joseph H Winterton jose...@us.ibm.com wrote in message
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Kees:
...Or do you mean to say, that we can have this all on z/OS and do
not
*need* any linux/aix/win/x86 platform?
Yes Thank you, I am talking about
Dave Kopischke dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton wrote:
I do have to respond to part of this one as OMEGAMON XE for z/OS
4.2.0
which went GA on 3/6/2009 does exploit
And I am stuck with Omegamon...
for those who complain about the copying of TKAN* to RKAN* look at using
the SMP Shared RTE setup.
ICAT is improving hehehe.the BATCH process is working better all the
time
I should know 9 products, 16 Run Time Enivironments (RTEs) with 14
Kees,
Compare is probably as close as you will get.
Bob
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with OMEGAMON Comparison
Dave Kopischke dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton wrote:
I do have to respond to part of this one as OMEGAMON XE for z/OS
4.2.0
which went GA
I am surmising you have accepted the IBM Direction for Omegamon of requiring
an installation such as yours being running Linux on z or have a separate AIX
platform to run the monitoring and reporting component.
Even though many of the products run standalone on z/OS today, I am told
and
Would make me want to put the candle out to have to run other non-ZOS
LPARS to monitor my system!
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information Communications Technology
Crawford Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
Tucker GA 30084
phone: 770-621-3256
fax: 770-621-3237
cell:
You may be glad if you that's your only concern.
If you want to run Linux, you go to your Linux department. You are lucky
if you can choose zLinux and are not forced to use blade Linux because
of standardization rules.
Then you want to do data warehousing. This can be local DB2 or other.
You are
For the Jim Marshall post: Jim:
As the release manager for OMEGAMON, I can assure you we have no intention
of removing support for native z/OS. Regrettably you have been the
recipient of some bad information. It is true that we offer support for
Linux on z or AIX for monitoring and
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For the Jim Marshall post: Jim:
As the release manager for OMEGAMON, I can assure you we have no
intention
of removing support for native z/OS. Regrettably
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For the Jim Marshall post: Jim
Good recommendation.
I stand corrected about OMEGAMON providing the feature of offloading CP
cycles to zIIPs. As of last week, OMEGAMON offloads their DASD collection
processes to zIIP. But as others have indicated that offloading small
percentages may actually increase the overall CP usage.
On 2009-03-11 08:43 to IBM-Main about Re: TMON with OMEGAMON
Comparison, Yogeetha balasubramanian sairamyog...@gmai...co..
wrote:
[snip] Can someone tell me the difference from your experience between
TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be considered ? [snip]
Which do you think is a better
But as others have indicated that offloading small percentages may actually
increase the overall CP usage.
We all know...
As others have said...
May increase...
Yes, there is always overhead when one switches to another processor.
And, yes, the reasons are understood.
Without hard
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But as others have indicated that offloading small percentages may actually
increase the overall CP usage.
We all know...
As others have said...
May increase...
Yes, there is always overhead when one switches to another
Hello there !!
We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone tell me the difference
from your experience between TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be considered ?
We are collecting this information
Which do you think is a better option. I felt OMEGAMON/CICS got a user
friendly interface.
in Omegamon.
Regards,
Herman Stocker
Technical Specialist
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Hello
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:11:23 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian
sairamyog...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello there !!
We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone tell me the difference
from your experience between TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be considered ?
We are collecting this information
Which
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Hello there !!
We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone tell me the
difference
from your experience between TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be
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Yogeetha balasubramanian sairamyog...@gmail.com wrote in message
I agree with you all thatOmegamon is not easy to be upgraded.
I have personally done the Omegamon/CICS installation. The TKANMOD keeps
varying and the settings that we need to do while upgrading really varies.
For few things , i have never got the reason why from the performance guys.
Also, we
, 2009 SYSN 08:10 AM
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We went through this trial about 18 months ago. I can live with either
from a functional perspective, BUT the real mess is the Omegamon
install, and the number of hours(oops, I mean days or weeks). There are
so
, 2009 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison
Have you not consider CA SYSVIEW? Much easier to install. Much easier
to
maintain. Same functionality or better. Much less resource
consumption.
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Overhead concerns:
RE: Did you compare the CPU *consumption* of TMON and OMEGAMON?
We come from MAINVIEW and the rise in CPU consumption is tremendous.
1) OMEGAMON vs TMON - Numerous customers have migrated from TMON to
OMEGAMON, on average they experience a 10% drop in CPU consumption in
the
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No we didn't. It was one of those lets convert to Omegamon because we
can get it under our enterprise agreement situations. In the end, TMON
still won out. Mostly because of the reasons I mentioned earlier
Overhead concerns.
Interesting how OMEGAMON is trying to compare the CPU overhead to
MAINVIEW. From my last review of OMEGAMON features and capabilities,
OMEGAMON does not exploit zIIPs and MAINVIEW does. In recent customer
benchmarks (2009), I have seen where MAINVIEW was offloading more
Mark Rascoe (from BMC) wrote:
Interesting how OMEGAMON is trying to compare the CPU overhead to
MAINVIEW. From my last review of OMEGAMON features and capabilities...
[snip]
... you can see that MAINVIEW uses less CPU, it’s easier to install,
configure and you get a powerful web browser ...
-954-0483 - jose...@us.ibm.com
Mark Rascoe mark_ras...@bmc.com
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton wrote:
I do have to respond to part of this one as OMEGAMON XE for z/OS 4.2.0
which went GA on 3/6/2009 does exploit the zIIP processor for collection.
Should the listserver be used to bake off these products?
Game on !
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton jose...@us.ibm.com
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Should the listserver be used to bake off these products?
I sure hope not. But I think it's perfectly fine to correct misinformation and
let people know who to contact or where to go for more information.
But
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton wrote:
I do have to respond to part of this one
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 17:03 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote:
Should the listserver be used to bake off these products?
I sure hope not. But I think it's perfectly fine to correct misinformation
and
let people know who to contact or where to go for more information.
And ...
vendor allegiances
I believe we agree, Ed. :-)
znor...@ca.com
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Mark Rascoe (from
Just because there is a zIIP, should you zIIPify everything?
I tend to any, and all!
Not to start a religious war, but what percent of what is going to a zIIP?
Please remember, there is overhead to use specialty processors. So you'd
better be able to offload 20-30% (IMHO).
What
What metrics/reports/support documents can you cite?
well- let's just say that offloading 80% of 2% on a GP may not get
you much.
Remember there is also overhead just for having more than on CP?
How much more overhead is there to choose a zIIP (or a zAAp, for that
matter)?
What metrics/reports/support documents can you cite?
well- let's just say that offloading 80% of 2% on a GP may not get you much.
Who said anything about 2%?
We're talking numbers big enough to save you money.
Remember there is also overhead just for having more than on CP?
How much more
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