Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-23 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, Dec 23rd, 2009 Radoslaw wrote: SOA is a platform neutral protocol. SOA is *not* a protocol. It is a marketing plonk. Nothing behind the gibberish. As any other plonk, it can be (un)related to a mainframe as well as any other platform. DO you need to spend some money? You need some

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-23 Thread R.S.
Shane Ginnane pisze: On Wed, Dec 23rd, 2009 Radoslaw wrote: SOA is a platform neutral protocol. SOA is *not* a protocol. It is a marketing plonk. Nothing behind the gibberish. As any other plonk, it can be (un)related to a mainframe as well as any other platform. DO you need to spend some

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-23 Thread Sam Siegel
Don't forget SOA enabled keyboards and monitors. :) On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:23 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: Shane Ginnane pisze: On Wed, Dec 23rd, 2009 Radoslaw wrote: SOA is a platform neutral protocol. SOA is *not* a protocol. It is a marketing plonk. Nothing behind

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-23 Thread Mohammad Khan
I have come across one instance of SOA not being a vague buzzword - in connecting different machines / technologies / applications which are otherwise not on talking terms. The cost of such connection is not low and the solution doesn't scale. Then again there would be no need for SOA band- aid

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread David Crayford
Timothy Sipples wrote: It's probably also worth pointing out that, if you crack open the textbook definition of SOA (Service-Oriented Architecture), you won't find step 1: throw everything away anywhere. That would tend to be the antithesis of the definition, as a matter of fact. While it's

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA Timothy Sipples wrote: It's

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: Does anyone understand this article's title? It's quite tough to parse. The title is very much like saying

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread Chuck Arney
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA Content cut.. Also many z/OS shops

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
#gateway re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#7 Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA the gateway started out as rs/6000 ha/cmp configuration with multiple (diverse) internet connections from different ISPs ... and some number of misc. boxes around the perimeter serving various

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#7 Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009s.html#8 Union Pacific Railroad

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-22 Thread R.S.
McKown, John pisze: [...] SOA is a platform neutral protocol. SOA is *not* a protocol. It is a marketing plonk. Nothing behind the gibberish. As any other plonk, it can be (un)related to a mainframe as well as any other platform. DO you need to spend some money? You need some justification? No

Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
Cross posted due to the UP system being in assembler. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/344916/Railroad_Crossing_When_Mainframe_Meets_SOA?source=CTWNLE_nlt_thisweek_2009-12-21 Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Martin Mission Services Facilities Design and Operations Contract Strategic

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) Cross posted due to the UP system being in assembler. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/344916/Railroad_Crossing_When_Mai nframe_Meets_SOA?source=CTWNLE _nlt_thisweek_2009-12-21 The old

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Ron Wells
sounded like another pin-head --- no nothing in charge From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/21/2009 02:39 PM Subject: Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Scott
in its wake. Scott On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Ron Wells rwe...@agfinance.com wrote: sounded like another pin-head --- no nothing in charge From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/21/2009 02:39 PM Subject: Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Bob Shannon
The system would have to be long-lasting It will be difficult to be longer-lasting than forty years. I blame management for not incrementally modernizing the existing system and not moving to a HLL years ago. Bob Shannon --

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:22:47 -0500, Bob Shannon wrote: The system would have to be long-lasting It will be difficult to be longer-lasting than forty years. I blame management for not incrementally modernizing the existing system and not moving to a HLL years ago. Hyy... this is a

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Scott Ford
with because of cost. They cost was a small fraction of what there going to spend now.  Scott J Ford IDF   From: Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) dennis.ro...@lmco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 1:40:51 PM Subject: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:04:48 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Hyy... this is a railroad we're talking about here. Yeah. You'd think that a railroad should understand the value of big iron. I suppose if their management was working for a manufacturing company they'd want to use a fleet of Fiats

Re: Union Pacific Railroad ditches its mainframe for SOA

2009-12-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
Does anyone understand this article's title? It's quite tough to parse. The title is very much like saying ...ditches its bowl for breakfast cereal, isn't it? It's probably also worth pointing out that, if you crack open the textbook definition of SOA (Service-Oriented Architecture), you won't