MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the
360/20.
and the CM was often rendered as card muncher
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MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the
360/20.
and the CM was often rendered as card muncher
Also Card Mangler.
-jc-
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:41:57 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
and the CM was often rendered as card muncher
Also Card Mangler.
...
And Card Mulcher. A machine that flexable acquires many nicknames.
Pat O'Keefe
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:29:48 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-
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...
MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the
360/20.
...
Mother Fletcher does not approve of such vulgar language, especially when
applied to her own equipment. She runs a
On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:54:13 +0100, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
You may recall I also offered a photograph with my previous post[1]. The
Model 20 looked about as I remembered it - although I had to imagine the
covers on. However, what was claimed to be the 2560 I wasn't really so
If I remember correctly, the 2560 could read about 300 cards per minute.
Compare that to the 2540 (I think) being able to read about 1,000 CPM.
Punching on the 2560 was much slower, but I can't remember. I spent many a
day sorting decks of cards and running them through the 2560.
We also
On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:59:01 -0600, Eric N. Bielefeld eric-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I remember correctly, the 2560 could read about 300 cards per minute.
Compare that to the 2540 (I think) being able to read about 1,000 CPM.
Punching on the 2560 was much slower, but I can't remember.
--snip--
MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher).
Well, I guess that you can't get away with the standard expansion in a
public forum ;-)
--unsnip--
Standard? Certainly more common;
]
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--snip--
MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher).
Well, I guess that you can't get
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:14 +0100, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
There's a danger of this thread becoming circular.
No danger. It's already circular.
...
The 2560 was the card reader/punch and some other tricks ...
like interpret
... which tended to go with the 360 Model 20 and
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/31/2006
at 07:37 AM, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I remember the 2501, 2420 and 2540. What was a 2560 ??
MFCM. The MF was often rendered in a vulgar fashion. Used on the
360/20.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
Subject: Re: What's a programming language
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:11:14 +0100, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
There's a danger of this thread becoming circular.
No danger. It's already circular.
...
The 2560 was the card reader/punch and some other tricks ...
like interpret
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/17/2006
at 02:33 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher).
Well, I guess that you can't get away with the standard expansion in a
public forum ;-)
2560,
Sounds right.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.)
I worked for a company that processed mail-in cards for free
magazines.The people who copied those cards into our system were
in the Caribbean and were instructed to type in just what they saw -
their only concern was reading bad handwriting.Our computers had
to figure out whether the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/14/2006
at 12:24 PM, Bernd Oppolzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Maybe that's another topic, but I found it always very strange to
spread application logic over a bunch of ISPF table definitions.
You have to carve the bird at the joints. Sometimes table definitions
and
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/13/2006
at 02:54 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Is something a programming language just because people used it for
programming? :-) An RPG program was sort of an accounting machine
simulator.
While RPG is an awkward language[1] for general use,
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:35:32 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Card jams on a Mod 20's MFCM
EXPN? Lrf, V xabj jung vg bssvpvnyyl fgnaqf sbe t?
...
MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). 2560, I
think. Reader, punch, interpreter.
-snip-
Card j
MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). 2560, I
think. Reader, punch, interpreter. 2 hoppers; 5 stackers. About 8
stations (a guess) where cards could be stuck. Some of the stations were
VERY hard to reach. Jams
In a message dated 10/17/2006 3:54:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That little S/3 reader/punch was pretty reliable but we had operators
that were exceptionally destructive; they managed to destroy the punch
pins when someone fed in some wet cards and created a
snip-
Probably the statute has run out. We had a really sharp sysprog, who
fell out with the S/3 support and vice versa. He was finding bugs and
fixes faster than support could keep up so it finally got down to if you
keep making changes we
On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:
-SNIP
Well, he's the same guy who overpunched a '-' on his utility bill
and every
time they'd process it they'd owe him more money. I'm not taking
sides he
was/is a really good systems person,
the telephone call.
John P Baker
Software Engineer
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Ed:
That would
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 10/11/2006
at 08:07 AM, Dave Reinken [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In the meantime, we still had EXEC2 that was twenty years old running
on VM without issue that we hadn't gotten around to (or had a reason
to) convert to REXX. This was code brought forward from VM/SP to
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/11/2006
at 05:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
CDC Kronos used 10 because 8 just wasn't enough.
I doubt it. I'm quite sure that the reason was the 60 bit word size.
The 701 allowed no choice but 8.
Untrue. The design of the 701 had nothing to do with
From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
at 08:07 AM, Dave Reinken [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In the meantime, we still had EXEC2 that was twenty years old running
on VM without issue that we hadn't gotten around to (or had a reason
to) convert to REXX. This was code brought forward
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/12/2006
at 05:54 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I seem to remember in those days JCL needed to see column 72
punched where appropriate and continuations starting in column 16
- not just a quoted character string - but memories can play tricks
...
The
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/12/2006
at 06:05 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Thanks - but read my post again, by the RPG range from S/360 Model
20 to iSeries, I refer to the whole nave and the trancepts too.
Except that RPG is older[1] than any of those systems, so it isn't the
RPG
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/10/2006
at 06:47 PM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Why single out COBOL to mention storage constraints?
I didn't; I answered the question that was posed, which related to
COBOL. Had Paul asked about FORTRAN or JOVIAL then I would have
answered about FORTRAN
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/12/2006
at 01:35 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
QTAM, the access method that expected incoming messages to be
tagged with the date and time on being received by the QTAM layer and
to be tagged with the time when sent by the QTAM layer.
Are you sure that
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:40:12 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
...
[1] Some funny system with ancestry between the S/360 Model 20 and the
iSeries of today (that is, the RPG range) used diddy 96 column cards I
seem to remember.
Is something a programming language just because people
,
Lindy
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Lindy
I'm a bit puzzled over your column 73
Devices with three digit product codes were originally EAM (electrical and
mechanical) equipment, e.g. 029 was a keypunch, 088 was a collator
(match/merge), . The first computers, which used vacuum tubes, also
used three digits, e.g. I used a 604 which was an EAM computer with about
16
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Chris,
That's what Fred Brooks, Jr. who was in charge of the IBM 360 project said
in a speech
right church, wrong pew.
S/3.
The later devices from that division had no cards -- S/34 S/36 S/38 AS/400
iSeries.
Cards were almost square and had circular holes like the old Univac
machines, but quite smaller. The column sets were in two rows.
IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Paul
Comments are embedded.
Chris Mason
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...
Re-read carefully
October, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: What's a programming language (was: Google ... )
right church, wrong pew.
S/3.
The later devices from that division had no cards -- S/34 S/36 S/38 AS/400
iSeries.
Cards were almost square and had circular holes like the old Univac
machines, but quite
Subject
Re: What's a programming language (was: Google ... )
right church, wrong pew.
S/3.
The later devices from that division had no cards -- S/34 S/36 S/38 AS/400
iSeries.
Cards were almost square and had circular holes like the old Univac
machines, but quite smaller. The column sets were
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 01:30 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
The point I meant to make was that you keep all the software you
bought for DOS or earlier versions of Windows?
You said: they [Microsoft] don't care if nothing works anymore. That
was too hyperbolic for my taste, and my purpose was to
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm rarely a defender of Microsoft, but I think they do a pretty good job of
carrying legacy interfaces forward.
You missed the 'smiley' emoticon.
Because, I'm sure you were joking!
The conversion to Microsoft Office invalidated years of Macros I
ever be applied to any of this ...
Chris Mason
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There was a very
: What's a programming language
...
I don't think anyone misses ISAM any more than they miss QTAM. My
biggest fear is that BSAM, QSAM, BPAM and BDAM will follow.
Have any of you old-timers notices that MQM's store-and-forward seems a
lot like the old TCAM queueing and forwarding capaility
from magic thinking.
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There was a very interesting talk from
By DEFAULT an HLASM statement is continued on subsequent card images
beginning in column 16.
If, however, this default is inconvenient the ICTL assembler statement is
available for modifying it.
John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721-1817
USA
, October 09, 2006 4:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: What's a programming language
Perlis's three-pronged formulation:
A programming language provides mechanisms for
o identifying a data type or data types,
o specifying operations on them, and
o speciifying a path or paths of control
.
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What's a programming language? Must it have variables
Snipped: And according to this JCL is not a programming language, correct?
Well, the L being language is more a bit of convenient identity. It
could just as easily have been JCC - Job Control Constructs, or JCS - Job
Control Statements. I tend to think of a programming language as commands
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At 13:42 -0400 on 10/09/2006, John P Baker wrote about Re: What's a
programming language:
Are HTML and XML programming languages
And if you follow the link to
http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-jcl-6.html
you will see JCL as one of the 1015 ways to generate lyrics to a notorious
song.
The point would be to note that JCL is the fish wrapper, not the fish. It
could in today's terms be called a portal, an access
In a recent note, Lindy Mayfield said:
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:35:07 +0200
There was a very interesting talk from Fred Brooks at the computer history
museum's 40th anniversary of the 360.
Here is my transcription of his talk about JCL (pardon any mistakes):
I tell my
In a recent note, Kirk Talman said:
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:04:38 -0400
The point would be to note that JCL is the fish wrapper, not the fish.
Yes, but one doesn't wrap fish in paper that has previously been used
to line the cat box (at least I don't). Whereas IBM gives me no
What about REXX as an alternative?
Well, there are limitations...so is JCL really all that bad?
Daniel McLaughlin
ZOS Systems Programmer
Crawford Company
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If you aim at nothing you will hit it every time.
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What about REXX as an alternative?
Well, there are limitations...so is JCL really all that bad?
Daniel McLaughlin
ZOS Systems Programmer
This is sort of wandering OT, but I wanted to react to something:
On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 21:36 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
The other end of the spectrum is Microsoft who tries to come out with
something brand new every few years, and they don't care if nothing
works anymore.
Bog knows I'm
Oh, someone asked what the L in JCL is for. I think, language but not
programming language?
I do not see the word programming anywhere in the phrase Job Control Language.
Just because the word language is there, doesn't make it a programming one.
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
is JCL really all that bad?
I've never considered it bad.
I started in this business as a JCL jockey in production support, long before
the CONTROL/M's, CA7's, UCC7's, and JCLCHEK's of the world came into play.
So, I'm used to it.
And, the 'new' stuff that started with ESA just makes it easier.
I'm rarely a defender of Microsoft, but I think they do a pretty good job of
carrying legacy interfaces forward.
You missed the 'smiley' emoticon.
Because, I'm sure you were joking!
The conversion to Microsoft Office invalidated years of Macros I had written.
DOS programmes, and old windows
On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I
really do like working with something that has been evolved and
gotten better over the past 40 or so years. You can still easily
see the history in all of it. I love the
--snip
Ed Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I
really do like working with something that has been evolved and
gotten better over the past 40 or so
, October 10, 2006 11:37 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Preserving the interface (was: What's a programming language)
This is sort of wandering OT, but I wanted to react to something:
On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 21:36 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
The other end of the spectrum is Microsoft who tries
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:53:00 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is JCL really all that bad?
I've never considered it bad.
So, I'm used to it.
I don't consider it bad either, but it's nothing to write home about.
Other vendors have done considerably better. The only one I ever used
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:07 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm confident also that a Turing machine
could be emulated in COBOL.
Trivially, subject to storage constraints.
Why single out COBOL to mention storage constraints? COBOL does have a
few KB of fixed overhead
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/09/2006
at 09:44 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I understand ISPF couples closely with Rexx;
Only in the sense that ISPF facilities can be called from REXX, read
REXX variables and set REXX variables.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/10/2006
at 02:50 AM, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The panel can easily parse the command into 3 separate values, but
there is no easy way for it to remove the leading spaces from in
front of the 'D'.
That sounds like a case for pattern matching, but I agree
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/10/2006
at 04:08 AM, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In z/OS 1.6 and above, REXX can be included directly in ISPF panel
source.
K3wl! I missed that.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
In a recent note, Tom Marchant said:
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:47:43 -0500
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:11:07 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm confident also that a Turing machine
could be emulated in COBOL.
Trivially, subject to storage constraints.
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On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
For me JCL
: Re: What's a programming language
--snip
Ed Gould wrote:
On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
For me JCL isn't really so bad. Personally, IMHO, etc, etc, I
really do like working with something that has been evolved
On Oct 10, 2006, at 8:19 PM, McKown, John wrote:
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On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:36
Perlis's three-pronged formulation:
A programming language provides mechanisms for
o identifying a data type or data types,
o specifying operations on them, and
o speciifying a path or paths of control among these operations,
has not been improved upon in, now, forty odd years; and it seems
In a recent note, john gilmore said:
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:17:52 +
Perlis's three-pronged formulation:
A programming language provides mechanisms for
How do I shoehorn JCL into this?
o identifying a data type or data types,
The data types I see are:
- Data sets
-
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Perlis's three-pronged formulation:
A programming language provides mechanisms for
o identifying a data type or data types,
o specifying
: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: What's a programming language
I don't find this to be a particularly useful definition of a programming
language.
For example, under this formulation, a table of hexadecimal operation codes
executable on some S/3x0-compatible
John P. Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have not yet taken the time to look at the question in detail, but
Perlis's formulation seems to me to be totally inadequate.
and I am reminded of a Sicilian proverb, Fucilato, un re dev'essere
ucciso.
John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721-1817
USA
are best viewed as embedded data description languages.
John P Baker
Software Engineer
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I like, to paraphrase from way back in time: A sequence of vague
instructions and obscure algorithms employed to manipulate data from
various sources into reports of dubious usage to be foisted upon disparate
organizations that were crazy enough to ask for them in the first place.
Daniel
That is the best definition yet.
John P Baker
Software Engineer
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I
A sequence of vague instructions and obscure algorithms...
Debugging: The art of removing computer errors.
Programming: The art of inserting computer errors.
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
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From: John P Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the definition needs to include something in respect to human
readable.
Is JCL a programming language? Is SQL a programming language? Are HTML and
XML programming languages?
What about ISPF panel 'logic'; is that a programming language? It's
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 10:24 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
Paraphrasing, a programming language has [...] Variables
In fp style you don't have variables!
_Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_ (one of the great
undergraduate textbooks of our age) doesn't get around to introducing
On 9 Oct 2006 10:24:43 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mills) wrote:
Paraphrasing, a programming language has
- Variables
- Data manipulation (MOVE, MVCL, PARSE, whatever)
- Flow control (CALL, PERFORM, DO, etc.)
I don't think a
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/08/2006
at 07:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What's a programming language?
A language that can be used to define programs.
Must it have variables, assignment statements, loops, GOTOs, ...?
Not if it's a functional language. But it must have some
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/09/2006
at 07:57 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
How do I shoehorn JCL into this?
You don't, but JCL is not a *programming* language.
I'm confident also that a Turing machine
could be emulated in COBOL.
Trivially, subject to storage constraints.
--
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/09/2006
at 01:04 PM, John P Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
For example, under this formulation, a table of hexadecimal operation
codes executable on some S/3x0-compatible physical processor meets
the definition of a programming language.
No, you'd need a far larger
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/09/2006
at 07:42 PM, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What about ISPF panel 'logic'; is that a programming language?
No, nor am I convinced that it should be extended enough to become a
language. In particular, I don't currently see the value of iteration
in an
From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
at 07:42 PM, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What about ISPF panel 'logic'; is that a programming language?
No, nor am I convinced that it should be extended enough to become a
language. In particular, I don't currently see the value of
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/08/2006
at 07:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin said:
What's a programming language?
A language that can be used to define programs.
Must it have variables, assignment statements, loops, GOTOs, ...?
Not if it's a functional
On Tuesday, 10/10/2006 at 02:50 GMT, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was a discussion on the ISPF listserv just last week about how to
remove leading spaces. For example, if the following were entered on a
command line:
=== SORT ADDRESSD
...
Very
In a recent note, Dave Salt said:
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:50:30 +
There was a discussion on the ISPF listserv just last week about how to
remove leading spaces. For example, if the following were entered on a
command line:
=== SORT ADDRESSD
All:
I know inf Rexx that is relatively easy to do. I have written Rexx since it
was first out.
This is not a big problem, especially coupled with ISPF...a simple called
function with
a parameter...
Scott Ford
z/OS consultant
Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know the capabilities of ISPF computation. Is it possible to
remove 64 leading spaces, then 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1; thus removing
up to 95 spaces in 7 truncate/tests rather than dozens and dozens?
I've done this with other editors.
I've done similar
On Tuesday, 10/10/2006 at 04:08 GMT, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The original issue was whether panel logic by itself could be considered
a
programming language, given that it lacks certain basics (such as
iterative
logic). IMO the answer is yes, but I'm sure others would not agree. To
From: Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eh? Wouldn't it simply be better to give panels a way to reference the
words in the input fields? Or provide a STRIP function?
As with any programming language, there are many ways panel logic could be
improved. A strip function would be great, as would a
Dave/Alan:
Rexx has a nice builtin function called 'strip' u can strip leading ,
trailing or
both blanks.
Scott Ford
Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Alan Altmark
Eh? Wouldn't it simply be better to give panels a way to reference the
words in the input fields? Or
From: Scott Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rexx has a nice builtin function called 'strip' u can strip leading ,
trailing or
both blanks.
Extracted from the email below:
The person who originally posted the question about parsing 'SORT ADDRESS
D' was under the constraint that he could only
At 13:42 -0400 on 10/09/2006, John P Baker wrote about Re: What's a
programming language:
Are HTML and XML programming languages? Again, I will argue that they are
not.
OTOH. Both JavaScript (Client Side Scripting) and PHP (Server Side
Scripting) embedded into (X)HTML are Programming
on barbituates.
What's a programming language? Must it have variables, assignment
statements, loops, GOTOs, ...? LISP 1.0 has none of those, yet
is generally deemed a programming language. I know no troff, so
I don't know its capabilities. PostScript, however, while generally
used to format text has
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