Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4d59a9f4.3050...@bremultibank.com.pl>, on 02/14/2011 at 11:17 PM, "R.S." said: >We are here TO HELP EACH OTHER AND TO LEARN FROM OTHER'S >RESPONSES. How does responding to a message soley to whine about a correct further either of those goals? >c) start new war PKB. >just to How does

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 02/14/2011 at 11:51 AM, "McKown, John" said: >Or that AIX port that ran on the S/390 whose name I can't recall >off-hand. My recollection is that there was an AIX/370 and an AIX/ESA, neither of which used the code base from the RS/6000 version. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, Sys

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-15 Thread Kirk Talman
roflmao thnx I needed a laugh IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 02/14/2011 09:01:06 PM: > From: Ron Hawkins > Well, I think the whole subject zUX. - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidenti

Re: Etre épéegrammatic (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-15 Thread Bonno, Tuco
(Was: HFS file questions) Tuco If we are to levitate our contributions with the yeast of jest: In his time Jean de la Bruyère had a rather more effective remedy at his disposal assuming he was assured of greater skill than his detractor. Of course, he should make his stand on de la pelouse ou de

USS misuse again (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Ed >I hope you don't mind the resetting of the Subject since this subdiscussion >has no connection with "list etiquette". Actually I'm sorry I forgot! Chris Mason On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:10:55 -0600, Chris Mason wrote: > ... --

Jokes with no relevance whatsoever (Was: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions))

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Steve and Ron This reminds me of the opening sequence of the film "Getting Straight" which is of a student protest. The camera is close to the students and one placard goes past with the words "Gravity is a lie" filling the screen. The student turns round off camera and comes back so that the

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Ron Actually I had a private note suggesting this on the basis that Hewlett- Packard had HPUX, offering thanks that the two components of the company name are in the order they are. I didn't see you copied, so I guess it's a case of mischievous minds think alike. Chris Mason On Mon, 14 Feb 20

Re: Some sort of discussion regarding B37 (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
The list in general I have received privately some further flak concerning this post pointing out that I wasn't contributing to the discussion. Ostensibly true but consider the following: If it would be of interest to anyone else to contribute to the this topic, it would be useful to know that

The IBM Terminology pages (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Also sent directly to RS so nobody need worry that he probably blocks my contributions to the list. Radoslaw > hint: CSI has two Very_Official_IBM_Approved_Meanings According to http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/c.html CSI means the following consolidated software in

USS misuse again (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Mary Ann > I don't really care. Unix Systems Services is too damn long and I will continue to use USS. Considering the following post from 21 Jul 2009, I was rather shocked to read "don't care": http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0907&L=ibm- main&T=0&F=&S=&P=140990 Sorry, yes, I meant the

A better abbreviation (was HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Mary Ann >> Can we not simply realize that there are two meanings for the acronym USS and deal with it? I'm taking this post as a chance to point out that the proposal to assign zUNIX to z/OS UNIX System Services and leave the technique used by VTAM and the TN3270E server which allows a charac

USS misuse again (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Message-ID: <4a6f2d35.2080...@us.ibm.com>. corresponds to http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0907&L=ibm- main&T=0&F=&S=&P=198809 in the archives, if, like me, you wouldn't know what to do with the "message- id". Chris Mason On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:25:04 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote

Etre épéegrammatic (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Tuco If we are to levitate our contributions with the yeast of jest: In his time Jean de la Bruyère had a rather more effective remedy at his disposal assuming he was assured of greater skill than his detractor. Of course, he should make his stand on de la pelouse ou de l'herbe rather than de

USS misuse again with a liberal dose of anti-SNA bigotry (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Peter > I'd really love to understand why on earth people like you are defending that term in the name of VTAM. If it were only VTAM, the anti-SNA bigot of which "I'd really love to understand why on earth" there are so many "people like you" might have a point. But since "that term" applies

USS misuse again (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Jim I had all of this in draft before you confessed. Nevertheless, there is many a true word spoken in jest so I'll let it all stand - although there's a supposition that has become a bit pointless ... - Thank you for your emollient contribution. I hope you don't mind the resetting of the Su

USS misuse again (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Rob Note that I am keeping to the principle of trying to apply an appropriate Subject since we are now one hopes - moving away from the "etiquette" issue. First I'd like to apologise for a "word" error. I used "principle" rather than "principal" as a kind gentleman pointed out privately. Never

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Ed I hope you don't mind the resetting of the Subject since this subdiscussion has no connection with "list etiquette". > ... I am afraid IBM can do whatever it wants to with acronyms. But the *official* IBM line - obviously not counting the numerous stray moggies - is that VTAM laid a claim t

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Steve Comstock
On 2/14/2011 7:01 PM, Ron Hawkins wrote: Well, I think the whole subject zUX. ROTFL! Right. Let's keep some perspective here! -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an i

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
Well, I think the whole subject zUX. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of > Chris Mason > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:32 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] A better abbreviat

Some sort of discussion regarding B37 (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
Mike (and Dave) I'm not much of a specialist in "HFS file" matters but I think I noticed enough in earlier posts in this thread when the original subject was still under discussion - even if only, when there were accusations that the original subject was *not* under discussion, to argue that it

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Gibney, Dave
Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: HFS file questions > > I was getting hounded by a bunch of users report

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Mike Schwab
I was getting hounded by a bunch of users report SB37s abends. I kept telling everyone I can't fix your JCL to allocate enough space to hold your data. Increase your allocation amount. They kept seeing the message listing the volume counts for excluded volumes and offline volumes. The storage g

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2011-02-14 17:28, McKown, John pisze: I would hope that context would make it clear (as it is here since HFS in IBM-MAIN is unique and unlikely to refer the MAC OS HFS filesystem) as to whether a question is about UNIX or VTAM. Unfortunately, at times, I have seen a message similar to t

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Linda Mooney
etting up filters there.  Thanks, Linda - Original Message - From: "Edward Jaffe" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 6:38:48 AM Subject: Re: HFS file questions On 2/14/2011 5:07 AM, Chase, John wrote: > I won't presume to speak for P

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
John > And hope nobody confuses it with z/Linux. Well Google does! Try Googling "zUNIX IBM". Google does its "Are you having finger-trouble?" trick! > Or that AIX port that ran on the S/390 ... > ... whose name I can't recall off-hand. Which may be all you need not to have to worry about it!

Re: A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread McKown, John
zUNIX is pretty decent. I hadn't seen it before. And it's only two more characters than USS with little chance of misunderstanding or collision at this point. I like it! I may start using it. And hope nobody confuses it with z/Linux. Or that AIX port that ran on the S/390 whose name I can't reca

A better abbreviation (Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Mason
gt; >9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 >(817) 255-3225 phone * >john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz >> S

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread McKown, John
N@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:14 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: HFS file questions > > LOL. You can post all the links you want, the simple fact of > the matter is, USS > IS the Acronym, or more precisel

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
LOL. You can post all the links you want, the simple fact of the matter is, USS IS the Acronym, or more precisely, the initialism of Unix Systems Services. Your argument is actually whether it's an 'approved' acronym. Personally, I don't really care. Unix Systems Services is too damn long and I

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 02/13/2011 at 03:15 PM, Jim Mulder said: > Instead of an industry standard icon such as :-) to >indicate humor, I used a quote from a fictional character on a recent >episode of a popular situation comedy show on American television. Nor is it safe to assume that every resident of a

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 02/11/2011 at 04:10 PM, Peter Hunkeler said: >First, if you want to be correct, this is called "z/OS UNIX System >Services". In OS/390? Or were you under the impression that it first surfaced in z/OS? >Second, "USS" is nowadays commonly being used as the abbreviation >for the above m

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 02/12/2011 at 06:11 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz said: >Can we not simply realize that there are two meanings for the acronym >USS and deal with it? Message-ID: <4a6f2d35.2080...@us.ibm.com> -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 2/14/2011 5:07 AM, Chase, John wrote: I won't presume to speak for Peter, but will say that you need not leave this list unless you're "fed up" with all the irrelevant BS that has attached to your questions in this thread. The MVS-OE forum, as its name implies, is more centered around the U

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Bonno, Tuco
>>It's sad that a very few knowledgeable and otherwise professional people here >>feel the need to engage in "pissing contests" over >>such insignificant >>minutiae as a perceived "malappropriation" of an overloaded acronym at the >>expense of someone who asks a >>legitimate question. "it is i

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-14 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
Typo corrected! >I am reminded once again of the pitfalls of attempting >written humor with an international audience. How embarrassing. You got me. We use to say that a joke that has to be explained is no longer funny. However, you just proved that this does not hold true in every case. I'm st

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-14 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Linda Mooney > > Hi Peter, > > No, I was not aware of that list, just this one and the Marist VM list - > through Share and zNextGen. > Are you suggesting that I leave this list and go there? I won't presume to spea

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-13 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
>I am reminded once again of the pitfalls of attempting >written humor with an international audience. How embarrassing. You got me. We use to say that a joke that has to be explained is no longer funny. However, you just proved that this does not hold true in every case. I'm still smiling about

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-13 Thread Mike Schwab
A friend posted he had Chia balls for supper. I replied hoping he did not come down with an intestinal blockage from the clay center. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > Jim, > > I really should have caught that reference.  I love "Big Bang Theory".  I > wonder what Dr. Sheldon

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-13 Thread Rob Schramm
Jim, I really should have caught that reference. I love "Big Bang Theory". I wonder what Dr. Sheldon Cooper would say? ;-) Probably that he should decide any such weighty matters. And that mere systems programmers are below engineers. ;-) Rob On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jim Mulder wro

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-13 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 2/13/2011 3:15 PM, Jim Mulder wrote: I will attempt to control my obsession with obscure referential humor. For a while, at least. Perhaps we can shift the discussion to why IBM is misusing RAMAC? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT ---

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-13 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 02/13/2011 08:48:13 AM: > I'd really love to understand why on earth people like you are defending > that term in the name of VTAM. You won't change this anymore, like nobody > else will. "USS" has become the defacto standard name for z/OS UNIX System > S

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-13 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Are you suggesting that I leave this list and go there? No, definitely not! Others have already guesed what I wanted to suggest you. I apologize for having been to lazy to add another sentence or two. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1809672709-1297553434-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-7009219...@bda2487.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, on 02/12/2011 at 11:30 PM, Ted MacNEIL said: >arogant PKB >Grow up! Physician, heal thyuself! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-13 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Perhaps some form of hybrid acronym like zUSS >could serve as being both highly compact and descriptive, while >avoiding potential confusion with prior art. Jim, As much as I do respect you, I can't agree with that suggestion. z/OS' Health Checker compontent has chosen to name its z/OS UNIX

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-12 Thread Jim Mulder
Perhaps some form of hybrid acronym like zUSS could serve as being both highly compact and descriptive, while avoiding potential confusion with prior art. Furthermore, it could establish a precedent for selecting acronyms for describing similar interface layers on other platforms. So

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-12 Thread Ed Gould
Chris: I m not one that agrees with Ted. When it comes to USS I sort of agree with him BUT I am afraid IBM can do whatever it wants to with acronyms. I can't stand it either and you always have to setp back and think context when it comes to USS. The IBM people especially when it comes to FTP an

Re: Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-12 Thread Rob Schramm
Chris, I would only recommend to the others on the list that non-engagement is probably the only successful strategy. And to leave you to your opinion of USS. I would additionally ask that when you experience any outrage about USS uses, that you would channel the outrage into a new post. I do a

Doubtful list etiquette (Should have been: USS misuse again, Was: HFS file questions)

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
Ted > You are so arogant that I'm not going to bother responding to you ever again. It looks like you've already responded once too often! > You carp over such an insignificant trifle and insult people just because > they use USS in a different context than your oh so perfect world. There's

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread John McKown
Linda, I think what he's saying is that MVS-OE is more specialized for z/OS UNIX than this list. Therefore you are more likely to get a targeted response without wading through a lot of other non-UNIX posts. I monitor this list and MVS-OE and IBMTCP-L (for TCPIP stuff). I could ask questions on th

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>What tosh! I reserve the right to point out when a word such as, for example, >"bitching" is used inappropriately and not to do so is not an option! You are so arogant that I'm not going to bother responding to you ever again. You carp over such an insignificant trifle and insult people just be

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Rob Schramm
also, but the focus is strictly on what is now > called z/OS UNIX. > > mvs...@vm.marist.edu > > > > >> >> >> Linda >> >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Peter Hunkeler" >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Sent: Saturday, February 1

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Steve Comstock
ou'll find many of us ibm-main'ers there, also, but the focus is strictly on what is now called z/OS UNIX. mvs...@vm.marist.edu Linda - Original Message - From: "Peter Hunkeler" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:28:03 AM Subject: Re:

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Gibney, Dave
iscussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Linda Mooney > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 1:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: HFS file questions > > Hi Peter, > > > > No, I was not aware of that list, just this one and the Marist VM

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Linda Mooney
ebruary 12, 2011 11:28:03 AM Subject: Re: HFS file questions Linda, are you aware of the MVS-OE list? It is dedicated to z/OS UNIX. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access in

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Linda, are you aware of the MVS-OE list? It is dedicated to z/OS UNIX. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IB

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
John > Where it's not confusing, USS can mean UNIX System Services to me. And anybody else as long as there's no evidence that they are assuming it is correct usage. It's when it is assumed that it is correct usage that noses can come into contact with paving stones. All of which provides the

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
Mary Anne > The tone of this board is extremely defensive. I'm not sure why you use the word "defensive". In this case I feel I need to be on the "defensive" because of all the "offense" but I don't think that's what you have in mind. > Perhaps it's that sarcasm and humor don't translate well

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
ur opinion. BUT... It >is just not ok to hijack a post and effectively belittle a poster. I >shouldn't even have to post anything about etiquette to long time members. >At the very least you should apologize. > >Rob Schramm > >-Original Message- >From:

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
Ted > Rather than bitching about terminology, help! There are two posts supporting the proper use of "USS". The one for which I am responsible was as a result of rather accidentally spotting a reference to the correct use but a slightly mistaken one and so it was worth a word or two of correct

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
pe you get a large and healthy dose of your own medicine - and soon.    > > > >Linda >- Original Message - >From: "Chris Mason" >To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:59:39 AM >Subject: Re: HFS file questions > >D

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Chris Mason
Peter > ... but I'm getting sick of this repeated, useless posts. In checking to find this important reference I see this is not the first time you have tried to deny this seemingly for some inconvenient truth. Perhaps on the very few occasions the matter arises, you should just resist the te

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread John McKown
And stupid me thought USS meant: United States Ship. Like HMS means Her/His Majesty's Ship. Except where it means Home Marketing Services. The old time VTAMers want USS to mean the VTAM use and it alone. That is sacrosanct to them for some reason. Where it's not confusing, USS can mean UNIX System

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Rob, I have to agree. The tone of this board is extremely defensive. Perhaps it's that sarcasm and humor don't translate well in the written word. If you want to see a friendly board where new members are welcomed and encouraged, go see IBMVM. Since VM has had a resurgance, those members patientl

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-12 Thread Rob Schramm
u] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: HFS file questions Dick > "USS" - meaning Unix System Services, not the VTAM term Unformatted Session Services :-))[1] Well, I thought I knew just about all that really mattere

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Linda Mooney
2011 3:07:26 PM Subject: Re: HFS file questions >I hope you get a large and healthy dose of your own medicine - and soon.    You go girl (no sexism intended) -- it would be you go guy in the right circumstances) Too many pedants! USS has been hijacked. See redbooks. Rather than bitchin

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I hope you get a large and healthy dose of your own medicine - and soon.    You go girl (no sexism intended) -- it would be you go guy in the right circumstances) Too many pedants! USS has been hijacked. See redbooks. Rather than bitching about terminology, help! Or, don't respond. Complaing

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Linda Mooney
get a large and healthy dose of your own medicine - and soon.    Linda - Original Message - From: "Chris Mason" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:59:39 AM Subject: Re: HFS file questions Dick > "USS" - meaning Unix System Serv

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Learn Unix System Service; USS is for VTAM gurus. First, if you want to be correct, this is called "z/OS UNIX System Services". Second, "USS" is nowadays commonly being used as the abbreviation for the above mentioned z/OS component. Look at IBM manuals, look at APARs, look at HealthChecker, to

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Neil Duffee
until proven innocent" John Norgauer 2004 > -Original Message- > From: Linda Mooney [mailto:linda...@com...net] > Sent: February 9, 2011 18:12 > Subject: Re: HFS file questions > > [snip] > So just for verification, if I code HFS=QUIESCE and > ENQERR=BYPA

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <329551574.601355.1297294811337.javamail.r...@sz0042a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, on 02/09/2011 at 11:40 PM, Linda Mooney said: >Nobody here, me included, has ever used copytree.  It's been around for a long time and works fine. >None of us know much about USS at all, although I am d

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Chris Mason
gt;"USS" - meaning Unix System Services, not the VTAM term Unformatted Session Services :-)) > ... > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On >> Behalf Of Linda Mooney >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-11 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
To give an HFS (not a ZFS) more space, use the confighfs shell command. There is no need to unmount-copy-remount. confighfs -x 15M /path/to/mount/point/of/hfs The above command adds another 15MiB to the HFS despite the fact that no secondary was initially allocated. If the HFS dataset was allo

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-10 Thread Bond, Dick (DIS)
.gov > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Linda Mooney > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 3:40 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: HFS file questions > > Hi Dick, > > > > No

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 2/9/2011 4:40 PM, Linda Mooney wrote: Hi Dick, Nobody here, me included, has ever used copytree. None of us know much about USS at all, although I am determined to learn - if it kills me! We can help that, and you'll survive just fine. Consider: "Introduction to z/OS UNIX" - 3 days

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Neubert, Kevin
.  Can copytree do that?  How would I mount the new and old HFS files for the copytree process? Thanks, Linda - Original Message - From: "Dick Bond (DIS)" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:50:35 AM Subject: Re: HFS file questions An easy

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Linda Mooney
?  How would I mount the new and old HFS files for the copytree process? Thanks, Linda - Original Message - From: "Dick Bond (DIS)" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:50:35 AM Subject: Re: HFS file questions An easy and reliable (at least I&#

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Linda Mooney
.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:34:25 AM Subject: Re: HFS file questions Linda, we do a DSS Dump/Restore to increase an HFS when it's out of extents. Our job has a step to unmount, one to DSS Dump, one to alter to a different name, one to DSS Restore with a new/catlg of the old name,

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Linda Mooney
quot; To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 7:54:58 PM Subject: Re: HFS file questions Not quite correct as far as the use of FDRCOPY goes.   On the COPY statement there is the keyword HFS=QUIESCE which to quote from the manual:   HFS= QUIESCE – Invokes spe

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Bond, Dick (DIS)
IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: HFS file questions > > Linda, > > In order to make sure you get a clean copy using FDRCOPY, you'll have > to either quiese or unmount the filesystem before doing the copy to a > new/backup data set. HFS is very intolerant of fuzzy copie

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Linda, we do a DSS Dump/Restore to increase an HFS when it's out of extents. Our job has a step to unmount, one to DSS Dump, one to alter to a different name, one to DSS Restore with a new/catlg of the old name, and then a step to remount. We only use Alter to addvolumes. Not sure if you can al

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-09 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:54:58 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote: >Not quite correct as far as the use of FDRCOPY goes. > > > >On the COPY statement there is the keyword HFS=QUIESCE which to quote from the manual: > > > >HFS= > >QUIESCE – Invokes special processing when Hierarchical File System (HFS)

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-08 Thread Stephen Mednick
Not quite correct as far as the use of FDRCOPY goes. On the COPY statement there is the keyword HFS=QUIESCE which to quote from the manual: HFS= QUIESCE – Invokes special processing when Hierarchical File System (HFS) data sets are copied. HFS=QUIESCE implies DSNENQ=USE so it will first

Re: HFS file questions

2011-02-08 Thread Rob Schramm
Linda, In order to make sure you get a clean copy using FDRCOPY, you'll have to either quiese or unmount the filesystem before doing the copy to a new/backup data set. HFS is very intolerant of fuzzy copies. As for the expansion, this is way easier with zfs v.s. hfs. It has been a while sinc

HFS file questions

2011-02-08 Thread Linda Mooney
Greetings! I have a couple of basic questions about HFS files.  In this case, none of these files are shared, they are mounted read/write, and I have full authority over them.  1)  I have an HFS file that has many documents stored in it.  It was originally defined without secondary and n