R.S. writes:
Upgrade is a fiction, which is offered purely for accounting
(taxes, leasing) purposes.
Taxes are rather important and (sadly) not fiction. I know this is a
technically-oriented forum, but let me be blunt: whether it's 68 or 52 or
73 parts that get replaced in an upgrade doesn't
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.comwrote:
Now that makes absolutely no sense. I'd be willing to bet that others have
had the opposite happen.
Sure it does. If the existing box is old enough, IBM really does NOT want to
maintain it: they'd rather upgrade you
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past
two years are already obsolete?
I agree with the previous commenters.
However, to be fair, an ALS declaration has in the past indicated that IBM
feels free to release as much future software as IBM thinks appropriate
that requires the
Timothy Sipples pisze:
[...]
Also keep in mind that you can upgrade mainframe hardware up to two
generations old to the current technology by ordering an upgrade parts kit,
not a whole new frame. Upgraded machines retain their serial numbers. This
is quite unlike nearly all other servers, which
Bob Shannon wrote:
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past two years are
already obsolete?
Only if you want to run z/VM 6.1 and higher.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out that IBM is already
planning for zOS V2
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out that IBM is already
planning for zOS V2 that will require the new ALS.
IBM is usually pretty good about disclosing ALS requirements well in advance of
software GA. The ALS requirement for z/VM 6.1 came as a surprise, at least to
me.
Bob
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Timothy Sipples
timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.comwrote:
snip
As I recall, z/VM Version 5 was the first major software product that
required ARCHLVL 2 (z/Architecture).
z/VM Version 4. z/VM 3.1 was the last that would run on pre-z machines.
IIRC, z/VM V5 got a new
Timothy,
I am curious as to what the savings are in upgrading your old computer
versus just buying the new model. What are the approximate savings as a
percent? Another thought, if you upgrade your current box, you can't sell
it. Granted, the value of an older box may not be worth trying
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:20:01 -0400, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote:
Bob Shannon wrote:
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past two years are
already obsolete?
Only if you want to run z/VM 6.1 and higher.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
It wouldn't surprise me
Mark Zelden wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:20:01 -0400, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com
wrote:
Bob Shannon wrote:
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past two years are
already obsolete?
Only if you want to run z/VM 6.1 and higher.
Bob Shannon
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:07:59 -0400, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote:
A new ALS requirement doesn't mean the OS has to be re-versioned.
That decision is a marketing one, not technical.
Mark
I agree, but the point I was trying to make was that we can expect
Eric,
all specialty engines stay, you don't pay for them again. By stay I
mean, they will be in an upgraded box without charging you for them
again.
Marian Gasparovic
IBM Slovakia
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Eric Bielefelderic-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote:
Timothy,
I am curious as to what the
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:15:02 -0500, Mark Zelden
mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote:
...
... we can expect some
future level of zOS to require the new ALS. ...
Sometimes, the new ALS means a renaming of the OS. But again,
that has always been a marketing decision, not a technical one.
...
IBM
I thought the specialty engines stayed whether you ugraded your box or
replaced it - that once you paid for them, you never had to pay again unless
you added more of them.
No one answered my original question of what percent savings there is in
upgrading versus buying a new box. Maybe thats
Eric,
The answer is it depends. At one time, we asked for pricing on
upgrading our 2086-260 to a 2086-270 (microcode upgrade) versus
replacing our mainframe with a z9 BC. The estimates we got from the IBM
business partner was that it would cost about 50% more to do the
microcode upgrade than
Now that makes absolutely no sense. I'd be willing to bet that others have
had the opposite happen.
Eric
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
- Original Message -
From: Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com
Eric,
The answer is it depends. At
Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
A version upgrades often mean price increases. Those are a little
more palatable / salable to upper management if the new version is
the first in a line of releases that can make use off new hardware
features.
IMHO, this is a bad time for price increases. But, with
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past two years are
already obsolete?
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From: Timothy Sipples [mailto:e99...@jp.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Preview: z/VM V6.1; IBM Declares New Architecture Level
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past two years are
already obsolete?
Only if you want to run z/VM 6.1 and higher.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
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On 7/8/2009 at 5:39 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
Does this mean that those of us who bought z9s in the past two years are
already obsolete?
Only if you want to run z/VM 6.1 and higher.
And to help customers out somewhat, the service life of z/VM 5.4 has been
IBM has released a preview announcement of z/VM Version 6.1, Statements of
Direction, an FAQ list, and other details here:
http://www.vm.ibm.com/zvm610
z/VM Version 6.1 has planned general availability in the fourth quarter of
2009.
Through this preview announcement, IBM is declaring a second
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