Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-04 Thread Peter Relson
It would have helped those of us who only follow IBM-MAIN to have some clue of what the question was. STORAGE is equivalent to GETMAIN in terms of serialization. For what it's worth, GETMAIN/FREEMAIN can be considered now a beast of the past. STORAGE LINKAGE=SVC is GETMAIN/FREEMAIN (for at

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-04 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Neil Duffee At 2009.12.03 07:57 concerning Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?, John Chase jch...@uss...com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-04 Thread Jim Mulder
CICS itself exploits (some) above-the-bar addressing: Containers are stored there, but for application access to that data CICS copies it to 24- or 31-bit storage. Applications themselves cannot directly access the data in 64-bit storage (Assembler excepted, of course; but you're on your

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-03 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Neil Duffee On 2009-12-02 at 12:14 concerning Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?, John Chase jch...@uss...com wrote to IBM-Main : From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-03 Thread Bill Fairchild
become non-dispatchable? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Neil Duffee On 2009-12-02 at 12:14 concerning Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?, John Chase jch...@uss...com wrote to IBM-Main : From: IBM Mainframe

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on 12/02/2009 at 10:08 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said: There is an ongoing discussion on the CICS-L list about doing a STORAGE macro or GETMAIN/FREEMAIN. Some are saying that these functions can result in

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-03 Thread Neil Duffee
At 2009.12.03 07:57 concerning Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?, John Chase jch...@uss...com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [On Behalf Of Neil Duffee [snip] The original request was for experiences / advice on using 64-bit

question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread McKown, John
There is an ongoing discussion on the CICS-L list about doing a STORAGE macro or GETMAIN/FREEMAIN. Some are saying that these functions can result in a wait for the CICS QR TCB (the TCB under which most of the CICS transactions are run). The discussion has now become that the STORAGE macro

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Bob Shannon
As far as I know, Storage just uses a different mechanism (PC) to invoke the same code that Getmain/Freemain uses. Since the PC runs under the TCB that invokes it, I don't understand why anyone thinks there will be a wait of any type. Since Storage doesn't suffer an SVC interrupt, it's probably

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Wayne Driscoll
- TCB may become non-dispatchable? Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu There is an ongoing discussion on the CICS-L list about doing a STORAGE macro or GETMAIN/FREEMAIN. Some are saying that these functions can result in a wait for the CICS QR TCB (the TCB under which most

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable? As far as I know

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Fairchild
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable? A PC-cp doesn't have any sort of implicit wait, so I don't see what they are referring to in that sense. Both GETMAIN (a type one SVC) and the STORAGE PC routine will, at some point have to get

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
McKown, John wrote: Anybody have a definate response as to whether a STORAGE function can cause the TCB to become z/OS non-dispatchable. I agree that it is not a good idea to do this in CICS. Work unit non-dispatchability is the key. They are throwing around the term WAIT

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
Bill Fairchild wrote: A debugging investigator made wary by previous encounters with Dr. Murphy should assume that any hypothetically possible situation will occur, and especially if the consequences are the most severe. So the TCB occasionally is being suspended because the local lock is

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Rob Scott
: Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable? Bill Fairchild wrote: A debugging investigator made wary by previous encounters with Dr. Murphy should assume that any hypothetically possible situation will occur, and especially if the consequences are the most severe. So

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable? I am curious as to why

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Scott I am curious as to why the developer wants to bypass normal CICS storage services (which probably is just a case of compare-and-swapping a chunk on some sort of SM domain queue) This sounds very much

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Wayne Driscoll
: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 12/02/2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable? Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?

2009-12-02 Thread Neil Duffee
On 2009-12-02 at 12:14 concerning Re: question on STORAGE function - TCB may become non-dispatchable?, John Chase jch...@uss...com wrote to IBM-Main : From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Scott [snip] why [snip] bypass normal CICS storage services [snip] sounds very much