Re: Debugging SRB issues with IPCS

2012-10-06 Thread ibmmain
This got me to wondering is there any other info you can glean from a dump of a looping SRB? For a TCB you could look for registers in the TCB/PRB/SVRB to get a clue of where you were recently. Is there anywhere else you can go for this sort of info for an SRB? If you only have a dump

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread John Gilmore
Paul Gilmartin wrote: begin extract And I still find it strange that RECFM=VB allows a logical record with data length of 0, but for RECFM=VBS, there is no way to construct a logical record with data length of 0. end extract It is not that there is no way. I can think of one, and I suspect that

Re: SMP/E question

2012-10-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
n 9/6/2012 8:31 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: I have never understood the fixation with rock bottom return codes. SMP/E maintenance is so much simpler without agonizing over every uneven cobblestone along the path. LOL. You have provided an excellent description of, what I consider to be, the most

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:07:31 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: begin extract And I still find it strange that RECFM=VB allows a logical record with data length of 0, but for RECFM=VBS, there is no way to construct a logical record with data length of 0. end extract It is not that

Re: Why File transfer through TSO IND$FILE is slower than TCP/IP FTP ?

2012-10-06 Thread Chris Mason
To all interested in this topic, particularly, for the first topic, Norbert Friemel (for Gilbert Saint-Flour), Phil Smith and Edward Jaffe Would someone be so kind as to explain why the two flavours for the operation of IND$FILE are tied to Control Unit Terminal (CUT) type and Distributed

Re: Why File transfer through TSO IND$FILE is slower than TCP/IP FTP ?

2012-10-06 Thread Chris Mason
John Does that mean that when I use IND$FILE with a 64x128 screen it sends 8192 bytes at a time ? I think so. But remember that those 8192 bytes must include any require 3270 protocol overhead bytes. Assuming my analysis of the significance of *not* being able to use Write Structured

Re: Why File transfer through TSO IND$FILE is slower than TCP/IP FTP ?

2012-10-06 Thread Chris Mason
Mike Here is Microsoft's suggestions for increasing the speed, from 2004. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/125881 The first point to make here is that the configuration which applies to Bill Gates's SNA Server (BizTalk Server Host Integration Server these grandiloquent days) is probably *not*

Re: Why File transfer through TSO IND$FILE is slower than TCP/IP FTP ?

2012-10-06 Thread Chris Mason
Elardus When VTAM is doing a GETMAIN for more buffers, all using VTAM need to wait for that GETMAIN to complete. Not a problem, but observable ... The trick here is to tune the dynamic buffering parameters. You can set the affected buffer pool to have sufficient buffers to be able to cater

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 10/6/2012 1:07 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: The essence is I'm baffled. I can think of no valid representation in a RECFM=VBS data set of a logical record with zero data length. If I've missed something, please enlighten me. I'd appreciate hex representations if more understandable than

Re: Is there a correspondence between 64-bit IBM mainframes and PoOps editions levels?

2012-10-06 Thread Scott Ford
Ok John, I will bite what's a BIF ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Randy Hudson wrote: begin extract I don't

Re: Is there a correspondence between 64-bit IBM mainframes and PoOps editions levels?

2012-10-06 Thread John P. Baker
Scott, BIF = Built-in Function John P. Baker President NGSSA, LLC -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Is there a correspondence

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 13:25:42 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 10/6/2012 1:07 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: The essence is I'm baffled. I can think of no valid representation in a RECFM=VBS data set of a logical record with zero data length. If I've missed something, please enlighten me. I'd

Re: Is there a correspondence between 64-bit IBM mainframes and PoOps editions levels?

2012-10-06 Thread Scott Ford
Thanks John, haven't seen that ow before ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:12 PM, John P. Baker jba...@ngssallc.com wrote: Scott, BIF = Built-in Function John

Re: SMP/E question

2012-10-06 Thread Skip Robinson
I'm all about cutting extraneous corners, but some corners may object by cutting back. I looked at Ed Webb's pitch, which reads like a developer's anthem. Ed sums up his environment this way: users exist to provide a test load. Fair enough for his shop, and I assume for yours also. But my users

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread John Gilmore
Gerhard Postpischil is of course quite right that RECFM=VBS can be used without segment descriptors, although FORTRAN and PL/I data-directed I/O do still use them. I had hoped only to elucidate the historical roots of VBS, and I suppose that in some measure I did elicit information about them. I

Re: Is there a correspondence between 64-bit IBM mainframes and PoOps editions levels?

2012-10-06 Thread John Gilmore
BIF has come to be the generic term, but the same notion has been given different names in different statement-level procedural languages. COBOL, for example, calls them intrinsic functions. The idea is an important one. None of us wants to use an SLPL in which such constructs as y = sqrt(x) ;

Re: SMP/E question

2012-10-06 Thread Ed Gould
Ed: I am not sure I agree. I swear by the return codes in SMPe Simple rule is anything above a 4 (four) needs attention. That is as simple as you can get. I never applied maintenance on a live running system, it was always on a sysres or DLIB(s) on a set of disks that were mounted as

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: SNIP--- For the ultimate irony, did the FORTRAN compiler source code input with RECFM=VBS? -- gil Gil: The G1 compiler needed FB (80) I never got to tinker with the WatIV as the project never needed the

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread John Gilmore
Translators---compilers and assemblers---are usually most comfortable with FB source-language card-image inputs. There is much to be said for supporting VB input, since the chief determinant of a translator's performance is the facility and rapidity with which it eliminates insignificant blanks

Re: Is there a correspondence between 64-bit IBM mainframes and PoOps editions levels?

2012-10-06 Thread zMan
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: Every generation believes that it invented sex. The 4300 may mark MVCIN becoming standard, but the instruction is much older than the 4300. The Technion had it on their 370/165 in 1972, and I believe

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:53:03 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: If I were the deity symbol-table management would be more important than blank suppression; but, as John Cocke showed conclusively, this is not the case. It is almost a law of nature that intellectually interesting problems turn out in the

Re: Is there a correspondence between 64-bit IBM mainframes and PoOps editions levels?

2012-10-06 Thread John Gilmore
The evolution of mainframe facilities for handling non-standard right-to-left text (and thus boustrophedon text too) has been gradual. MVCIN came early on. TRTR and TRTRE are more recent. It is now possible to perform lexical-breakout operations on right-to-left text directly and easily. (I

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread John Gilmore
Look in John Cocke and Jacob T. Schwartz. Programming languages and their compilers. 2nd revised edition. New York: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences, New York University, 1970. We all would have guessed [and I at least would have liked to believe] that other issues were more

Re: SMP/E question

2012-10-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 10/6/2012 1:03 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: Would not APPLY CHECK have revealed the missing PTF before any real harm had been done? If not, then never mind. No. The APPLY CHECK would not have helped in that case. Nothing was missing and there was nothing SMP/E could have done differently. Both

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 13:25 -0400 on 10/06/2012, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.): Perhaps I'm missing something, but hex 0004 defines a null record in V, VB, and VBS. VBS runs fine without segment descriptor bits. Correct (if I remember correctly). There are 4

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:36:06 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Gerhard Postpischil is of course quite right that RECFM=VBS can be used without segment descriptors, although FORTRAN and PL/I data-directed I/O do still use them. Not as I read the document cited earlier. VB data sets have RDWs; VBS data

Re: Zero length records outlawed! (Again.)

2012-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:39:13 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: There are 4 types of records in a VBS block (which are identified by the segment descriptor bits). These are start of segment (the record continues in the next block), end of segment (this is the end of a You appear