Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Gould wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421132031.htm? utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed: +sciencedaily/strange_science+(Strange++Offbeat+News+--+ScienceDaily) Thanks for this just in time OT post, but my dear Watson, is it really that accurate? Time

Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-30 Thread Timothy Sipples
The references I cited in my previous post are documentation elaborations. Nothing more, nothing less. IBM did not (generally) recommend multiple JES3 globals in a single Sysplex (which can consist of a single LPAR or not), past tense, and IBM does not (generally) recommend multiple JES3 globals

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
They can claim anything, who is gonna check this and where can I complain after 15b years if my clock appears to be not that accurate then? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 30 April,

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Shane Ginnane
You would really hate to be more than a second late for being vapourized by the sun when it goes red giant. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion year...

2015-04-30 Thread Ed Finnell
Your sleeve tats might knock a couple leap seconds off...it must be Fri? http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/29/technology/apple-watch-tattoos/ In a message dated 4/30/2015 1:31:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kees.verno...@klm.com writes: They can claim anything, who is gonna check this and

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM wrote: I discovered an error in ISMF when using the EOF key. On what z/OS level are you? (and also what version of TSO and ISPF too if that matters) Since it is on the second page, this alteration can easily be taken into production unnoticed, until the space

Re: RSU problem

2015-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:03:36 +0530, Nathan Astle wrote: I am going to roll out RSU1503 to our z/OS 1.13. Did someone ran into any problem like a memory or any storage overlay ? Any experiences ? Did you have a problem? Did you download the latest HOLDDATA and run REPORT ERRORSYSMODS? -- Tom

Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 14:21:35 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: The references I cited in my previous post are documentation elaborations. Nothing more, nothing less. IBM did not (generally) recommend multiple JES3 globals in a single Sysplex Right. And they still don't, for many reasons. (which

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
But is it consistent with the special theory of relativity? Vacation Notice: - none currently scheduled - Tom Puddicombe Principal Systems Engineer Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC 31 Brookdale Rd, Meriden, CT 06450 ITIS | (860) 428-3252 | tpudd...@csc.com | www.csc.com This is

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
I reproduced it on z/OS 1.13 and z/OS 1.2 Yes, the dsntype field is on DGTDCDC2 and it is the original IBM panel. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 30 April, 2015 14:14 To:

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Kees Vernooij wrote: Correction: 1.13 and 2.1 of course. Can you reproduce the problem? Yes. sort of on 1.13. If I enter a valid value and I scroll back and forth, my entered value is the same. If I go back to the field, fill in the field, press EOF and scroll away and back, I then see PDS

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Vernooij, CP wrote: Recreation of the problem requires a precise script: So I discovered that after some retries before I replied to you. I opened a PRM for this. That PMR already resolved? Oh, wait, sorry, I should rather go sloow ;-D If you can, could you

Re: FTP to IBM -- Problems?

2015-04-30 Thread Steve Thompson
On 04/30/2015 09:24 AM, John Eells wrote: I'm reliably told the problem has been fixed. SNIPPAGE You beat me to it. I just sent two ftps this morning that worked (finally). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Ok, I will. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 30 April, 2015 15:30 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key. Vernooij, CP wrote: Recreation of

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Even then it seems overkill. Nanoseconds will currently still be quite useful for the mentioned events and if my calculations are right, there will be 1431 strontium clockticks in 1 nanosecond. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Correction: 1.13 and 2.1 of course. Can you reproduce the problem? Kees. -Original Message- From: Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: 30 April, 2015 14:17 To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: RE: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key. I reproduced it on z/OS 1.13 and z/OS 1.2 Yes,

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Thanks for your confirmation. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 30 April, 2015 14:38 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key. Kees Vernooij

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion year...

2015-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ed Finnell wrote: Your sleeve tats might knock a couple leap seconds off...it must be Fri? http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/29/technology/apple-watch-tattoos/ See also this about 'Apple Watch hit by #tattoogate' http://www.fin24.com/Tech/Mobile/Apple-Watch-hit-by-tattoogate-20150430 Groete

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Schmeelk, Gregory P.
Um, have the taken into account the Einsteinium time dilation that will occur as the Andromeda galaxy merges with ours? I'm just saying :-) Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, April 30,

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421132031.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed:+sciencedaily/strange_science+(Strange++Offbeat+News+--+ScienceDaily) ​And I can just imagine it: The

Re: FTP to IBM -- Problems?

2015-04-30 Thread John Eells
I'm reliably told the problem has been fixed. All the instructions for transfers are documented on the ecurep site, but (as you can see here: http://www.ibm.com/de/support/ecurep/send_ftp.html) what we want people to do is use the geographically closest server to them so the transfers are

Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
For your information: I discovered an error in ISMF when using the EOF key. I want to ALTER the attributes of a dataclas that specifies DSNTYPE: LARGE. After the ALTER command, the first page of data is presented. I change the secondary space amount and hit EOF to clear the rest of the field.

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread John Gilmore
The point of most such efforts is not to measure long intervals , even millenia, with great accuracy; it is to permit the short, very short, intervals of time between successive events within, say, a CP to be measured accurately. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au

Re: Heads up: ISMF error using the EOF key.

2015-04-30 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Recreation of the problem requires a precise script: - ALTER in front of the dataclas + Enter - change the secondary space value - EOF the remainder of the field -

Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-30 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 12:49:44 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: I thought JES3 can still spread workload over multiple LPARs? That has nothing to do with PolyASP, which was the ability to run a secondary ASP on the same CPU. I disagree with the word nothing. Multiple LPARs often exist on the same

Re: FTP to IBM -- Problems? - THE TESTCASE SITE WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT DOCUMENTATION

2015-04-30 Thread Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
To All, This is from CICS Problem Support Bob Sodan sodan...@us.ibm.com MAY 2007. THE TESTCASE SITE WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT DOCUMENTATION PLEASE SEND YOUR DOCUMENTATION USING FTP VIA THE INTERNET. 1. CONNECT TO OUR FTP SITE: ftp.emea.ibm.com (or 192.109.81.7) USER: ANONYMOUS PASSWORD: YOUR

Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-30 Thread J R
I feel insulted by the tone of your comments. Me too! I used to appreciate Timothy's posts for their precision. However, in this case he seems to have a need to be perceived as right, even if he's not. Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:22:00 -0500 From:

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:31:09 +, Vernooij, CP wrote: They can claim anything, who is gonna check this and where can I complain after 15b years if my clock appears to be not that accurate then? Why shouldn't it be that accurate? After all, a second is currently defined in terms of atomic

Re: FTP to IBM -- Problems?

2015-04-30 Thread John Eells
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but it seems worth mentioning. Unless you have specific holes drilled through your firewalls for testcase (and not for the other servers), there is no need to wait. Just use another server to send the data to IBM. ste...@copper.net (Steve

Knowledge Center Outage May 3rd

2015-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
FYI IBM Knowledge Center will be unavailable on May 03 from 03:00 to 04:00 UTC due to server maintenance. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread John Norgauer
Lizette When the D/R system was up I issued D OMVS,F BPXO042I 07.54.06 DISPLAY OMVS 546 OMVS 000F ETC/INIT WAIT OMVS=(00,21) And that's all that came back. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Dean Montevago
Do you have MEMLIMIT=NOLIMIT on the OMVS proc? I had this problem when I first brought up zOS 1.13. OMVS has to be initialized prior to TCP/IP starting. OMVS is one of those address spaces started by the OS itself, like SMS. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:24 PM, John Norgauer jcnorga...@ucdavis.edu

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:55:24 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421132031.htm? utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed: +sciencedaily/strange_science+(Strange++Offbeat+News+--+ScienceDaily) (watch the wrap) Ed, you should use a better way of

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Schmeelk, Gregory P.
Why do *I* have to correct for it, Gil? Isn't someone else being paid to do that? (I just could resist... my initials are GPS :-) Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:52:09 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:31:09 +, Vernooij, CP wrote: They can claim anything, who is gonna check this and where can I complain after 15b years if my clock appears to be not that accurate then? Why shouldn't it be that accurate? After

OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread John Norgauer
I have a new z/os 2.1 system and when I IPL'ed it on my DR LPAR, OMVS never started. I noticed that my IFAPRD member in parmlib was obsolete and this caused TCP base not to start. Does TCP base actually start OMVS ASID? If TCP is not the culprit, what actually starts OMVS. My Sandbox 2.1

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread John Norgauer
My OMVS proc located in SYS1.IBM.PROCLIB is the vanilla proc from IBM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OMVS not starting

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
John, Go to SYSLOG and look for OMVS - see what error message you might find. Also, you should be able to issue D OMVS and see the status of the task. Look for BPX messages. Lizette -Original Message- From: John Norgauer jcnorga...@ucdavis.edu Sent: Apr 30, 2015 10:42 AM To:

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
The only prereq to OMVS is JES2 in my shop. TCPIP start up is dependent on NET,OMVS,GSKSRVR,TSO GSKSRVR may not be running in your shop. But the others are required. Lizette -Original Message- From: Dean Montevago snipers5...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2015 10:36 AM To:

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:33 PM, John Norgauer jcnorga...@ucdavis.edu wrote: Lizette When the D/R system was up I issued D OMVS,F BPXO042I 07.54.06 DISPLAY OMVS 546 OMVS 000F ETC/INIT WAIT OMVS=(00,21) And that's all that came back. ​First, I assume no replies are

Re: Knowledge Center Outage May 3rd

2015-04-30 Thread Ed Finnell
Probably get 'deer in headlights' if you mentioned Hertzberg's principle of dissatisfiers. In a message dated 4/30/2015 3:22:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stars...@mindspring.com writes: Not for everything I do in KC

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2015-04-30, at 14:37, Ed Gould wrote: I am thinking that the URL is broken by the listserv. Ed I suspect otherwise. After carefully repairing and testing your URL, I'm submitting it again via OS X 10.6.8 Mail.app. I'll see what happens.

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread John Norgauer
No replies outstanding -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:33 PM,

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
John, a couple of items to consider: - Check your sysplex setup (if you code SYSPLEX(YES) in BPXPRM) to assure everything is up and running on your DR system. - Assure the file systems you need to access /etc are mounted. Bart -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Knowledge Center Outage May 3rd

2015-04-30 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
I miss HONE ! Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Engineer Safeway Inc. 925 738 9443 Corporate Tieline - 89443 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Doug Henry
From: John Norgauer jcnorga...@ucdavis.edu D OMVS,F BPXO042I 07.54.06 DISPLAY OMVS 546 OMVS 000F ETC/INIT WAIT OMVS=(00,21) This indicates a hang in initialization. From the fine manual UNIX System Services Planning 13.7.8 Diagnosing hangs during z/OS UNIX initialization

Re: Knowledge Center Outage May 3rd

2015-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
The main annoying event, is while you are in pubs, every switch causes that message to pop up. I only need to see it once if I am in KC. Not for everything I do in KC Lizette -Original Message- From: Jerry Whitteridge jerry.whitteri...@safeway.com Sent: Apr 30, 2015 12:51 PM To:

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
My experience with OMVS and DR is that it takes a very long time for OMVS to initialize for the first IPL. How long did you wait ? I have seen it take 30-45+ minutes for OMVS to initialize at DR for my system. (While back home it is not an issue). We figured out that this had something to do

Re: Knowledge Center Outage May 3rd

2015-04-30 Thread Staller, Allan
More cases of IBM not living up to the capabilities of their OS. IBM should be embarrassed! The new tools are not as reliable or available as those they replaced snip IBM Knowledge Center will be unavailable on May 03 from 03:00 to 04:00 UTC due to server maintenance. /snip

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2015-04-30, at 14:57, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 2015-04-30, at 14:37, Ed Gould wrote: I am thinking that the URL is broken by the listserv. Ed I suspect otherwise. After carefully repairing and testing your URL, I'm submitting it again via OS X 10.6.8 Mail.app. I'll see what

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Lucas Rosalen
I remember we had some of IFAPRDxx errors when IPLing zOS 2.1 for the first time. Some of the error messages I could retrieve: IRR418I RACF PRODUCT DISABLED: IRRSSI00 ENDED. BPXP006E OMVS IS WAITING FOR SECURITY PRODUCT INITIALIZATION We had performed NO changes in IFAPRDxx from 1.13 to 2.1 at

Re: O/T Strontium atomic clock accurate to the second -- over 15 billion years --

2015-04-30 Thread Ed Gould
Paul: I am thinking that the URL is broken by the listserv. Ed On Apr 30, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:55:24 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150421132031.htm? utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed:

Re: OMVS not starting on my DR LPAR

2015-04-30 Thread Rob Schramm
Sounds like missing /etc or root. Catalog for OMVS hlq got disconnected? Symbols on DR system resolve differently? On Apr 30, 2015 6:21 PM, Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com wrote: OMVS is not dependent on TSO running. On Apr 30, 2015 2:18 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote:

Re: Knowledge Center Outage May 3rd

2015-04-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jerry.whitteri...@safeway.com (Jerry Whitteridge) writes: I miss HONE ! Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Engineer Safeway Inc. I was recently asked when HONE actually shutdown http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#93 HONE Shutdown and found an email from may1998 saying it was going away

Re: FTP to IBM -- Problems? - THE TESTCASE SITE WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT DOCUMEN...

2015-04-30 Thread Ed Finnell
Seems like a little planning would go a long way. Something like mvs_testcase, cics_testcase, ims_testcase, db2_testcase and so on The user would be directed which one to utilize in the problem record and the DNS would take care of where it was sent. Anyway, thanks for looking into it.

Re: FTP to IBM -- Problems? - THE TESTCASE SITE WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT DOCUMENTATION

2015-04-30 Thread John Eells
Interesting. Sorry about that. I got the answer I posted from Level 2 Service Planning in Poughkeepsie, and the availability information from ISC Boulder, which supports the testcase server. I don't think either is aware that customers are being told not to use it. I'll see whether we can

Re: JES2 as primary with JES3 as a secondary

2015-04-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: Let's take a brief look at this not exactly new history. I can fairly easily trace JES3 back a quarter century. (Perhaps somebody else would like to go back into the pre-Sysplex JES3 era, from 1973 to 1990, to see what IBM recommended and/or