On 12/01/2019 4:08 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
despite being used frequently for the purpose, it's really not particularly
suited for writing operating systems
LOL! That's absurd! C has been ported to just about every architecture
worth mentioning and is well suited to low-level programming.
Roger,
The error occurs consistently on three different machines at three clients.
Unlikely to be LLA.
FYI. One abend had failure to load from *VLF*. I stopped LLA and received
the same S106.
Also all libraries are in STEPLIB.
Wayne
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 4:53 PM Mike Schwab wrote:
>
http://www.jaymoseley.com/hercules/sabends.htm
S106 - 0C - NOT ENOUGH STORAGE WAS AVAILABLE FOR FETCH TO DO A GETMAIN
FOR THE MODULE OR CONTROL BLOCKS. CHECK REGISTER 0:
04 - NO STORAGE FOR DATD.
08 - NO STORAGE FOR DEB.
0C - NO STORAGE FOR IOSB.
Check out the reason code of the S106-xx message. It could be that the module
it's trying to load is in LLA, but LLA REFRESH was not done after replacing the
module. Reason code will point that out.
Roger W. Suhr
suhr...@gmail.com
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I like this, but there are two problems. The first is that they would need to
purchase the software, the second is that it's only going to be necessary for a
few months after which time they will have converted the mainframe program and
file to their open systems server platform.
I was hoping
Yeah, no. Very little in Rexx syntax is like C IMHO. I mean, both have
variables and keywords and semicolons, but that's about it.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:51 PM scott Ford wrote:
> Maybe you should read about Mike who wrote rexx, which I have used since
> 1984...
> It’s the structure
>
> On
Step end stats:
IEF032I STEP/STEP020 /STOP 2019011.2148
CPU: 0 HR 00 MIN 00.05 SECSRB: 0 HR 00 MIN 00.01
SEC
VIRT: 7908K SYS: 260K EXT:4K SYS:10876K
ATB- REAL: 3104K SLOTS: 0K
VIRT-
REGION=0M and same abend with REGION=512M.
Took an SVC dump, here's some FA information.
JOBNAME: $SDO512M SYSTEM ABEND: 106S0W1 2019/01/11
21:21:48
IBM Fault Analyzer Abend Job Information:
Abend Date. . . . . . . . : 2019/01/11
Abend Time. . . . . . . . : 21:21:48
Argh! Why did the need to introduce a new keyword instead of just using
REGION=(below,above)?
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Marchant
To be honest, every programming language or scripting languages have pros
and cons.
Except for Java, I kid .
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:09 PM scott Ford wrote:
> Wow, boys .I been at it 40+ yrs and after awhile it all runs together
> ...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:57 PM Seymour J
Wow, boys .I been at it 40+ yrs and after awhile it all runs together
...
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:57 PM Seymour J Metz wrote:
> > I'd much prefer that Rexx provide instream data, with symbol
> substitution,
>
> DATA ... END and DATA PROMPT ... END are very useful, much more useful
>
That's one option.
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scott Ford
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Subject: Re: ASCRE init module (again)
Like
> I'd much prefer that Rexx provide instream data, with symbol substitution,
DATA ... END and DATA PROMPT ... END are very useful, much more useful than
here documents, IMHO.
>I eschew STACK with any command that provides STEM as an alternative.
STEM is nice for commands that support it, but
W dniu 2019-01-09 o 20:21, Juan Mautalen pisze:
Hi:
Wecurrently have the RACF SERVER class INACTIVE (I am completely unfamiliar
withit, by the way).
I was askedto set up security for CICS LIBERTY, and according to the
documentation I mustdefine some profiles in the SERVER class.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:15:20 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's there, and other implementations of Rexx, such as Regina, struggle to
>> emulate it.
>
>All implementations of REXX provide a stack, but none of them even try to
>provide the stack mechanisms that TSO has and CLIST DATA/DATA
The point is that signal does both more and less than a PL/I goto and maximally
violates the law of least astonishment. It's one of the pitfalls I warn about
in my Safe REXX papers.
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:58:51 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>FSVO goto that lives in a different universe from PL/I. The REXX signal
>statement trashes the stack rather than simply popping it appropriately.
>Consider
>
SIGNAL trashes the DO nest but it does not update the CALL/RETURN stack. I
> It's there, and other implementations of Rexx, such as Regina, struggle to
> emulate it.
All implementations of REXX provide a stack, but none of them even try to
provide the stack mechanisms that TSO has and CLIST DATA/DATA PROMPT support.
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Block structure. Use of /* and */ as comments delimiters. Use of : for labels.
But they're still very different.
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Steve Smith
Sent: Thursday,
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:49:07 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>On 1/11/2019 12:35 PM, David Spiegel wrote:
>> (I've never encountered a TSO stack (outside of Rexx) in my 43 years of
>> using TSO.)
>
It's there, and other implementations of Rexx, such as Regina, struggle
to emulate it.
>I suspect this is
FSVO goto that lives in a different universe from PL/I. The REXX signal
statement trashes the stack rather than simply popping it appropriately.
Consider
do I=1 to n
do j=1 to m
...
if foo then signal bar
...
end
...
bar:
...
end
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Shmuel (Seymour J.)
> secure-web is offensive
If I had some way to turn it off, or to jail the guy that thought it was a good
idea, ...
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Paul Gilmartin
On 1/11/2019 12:35 PM, David Spiegel wrote:
R'Shmuel,
Can you please explain what you mean by "... TSO stack mechanism ..."
and where the documentation is?
(I've never encountered a TSO stack (outside of Rexx) in my 43 years of
using TSO.)
I suspect this is a reference to REXX's total lack of
See the DATA and DATA PROMPT commands in z/OS TSO/E CLISTs Version2 Release3,
SA32-0978-30,
https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3sa320978/$file/ikjb800_v2r3.pdf
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:27:30 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Keep in mind that wiki is a mixed bag; its emphasis of secondary sources over
>primary sources tends to damage its reliability. Also, the URL you gave was
>for PL/I rather than for REXX.
>
>
Hi R'Shmuel,
"... signal is not a goto ..." ?!
It is also true that Signal has other operands, but, in its most basic
form it is EXACTLY a goto.
Regards,
David
On 2019-01-11 15:32, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> A lot of the syntax comes from PL/I, although not the use of a continuation
> character
R'Shmuel,
Can you please explain what you mean by "... TSO stack mechanism ..."
and where the documentation is?
(I've never encountered a TSO stack (outside of Rexx) in my 43 years of
using TSO.)
Thanks and regards,
David
On 2019-01-11 15:17, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> REXX was certainly a great
A lot of the syntax comes from PL/I, although not the use of a continuation
character and not the use of labels (no, signal is not a goto.)
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of
Paul
Keep in mind that wiki is a mixed bag; its emphasis of secondary sources over
primary sources tends to damage its reliability. Also, the URL you gave was for
PL/I rather than for REXX.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
From: IBM
Kirk,
You are correct.
I was able to run some samples in the old jar files using 64 bit java and
they work.
At the time I thought there was a problem with it, I think I was trying to run
the MvsConsoleInteraction class,
but it works now. I was trying to invoke MvsConsoleInteraction from a
REXX was certainly a great improvement over EXEC, EXEC 2 and *TSO* CLIST, but
there is no "VM CLIST". There are a couple of edge cases where REXX is missing
something present in the old languages, e.g., integration with the TSO stack
mechanism.
As for the PL/I likeness, it is more of a
Actually, C was deigned to compile on a PDP-7; despite being used frequently
for the purpose, it's really not particularly suited for writing operating
systems. But, of course, even Fortran can, and has, be used for the purpose if
you're perverse enough.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Eileen,
The JZOS sample (Java) code consists of samples that use the JZOS API that
is part of the SDK.
There would not be any code in these that would be dependent on the bit
width of the SDK/JVM.
Also, the file listing that you show above are the source files. It
appears to me that they all
i just downloaded the latest samples and see that many were recompiled in
2016/2017.
the ones I had downloaded back on June 1, 2017 were compiled back in 2012/2013.
so it looks like they have changed since I last used them and may have been
fixed to work with 64 bit java.
***new
Like I said, I have not looked at JZOS for the past 2 years, but I was not able
to run the supplied sample classes with
64 bit java. I will re-download them and try again.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Kirk Wolf
The ZipDatasets sample program works fine with the 64-bit SDK.
The JZOS toolkit class library (and native code) in included in the 64-bit
SDKs.
I don't know what problem that you were having, but it sounds like a
CLASSPATH problem with using the sample classes, which are not included in
the SDK
Eileen,
Here is a simple Java program to submit a job to z/OS. And I only use the 64
bit version of Java on z/OS.
import java.io.BufferedReader;
import java.io.IOException;
import java.util.StringTokenizer;
import com.ibm.jzos.FileFactory;
import com.ibm.jzos.MvsJobSubmitter;
public class
Thanks Kirk.
I was referring to the samples. At the time I looked, I could not find any
sample classes compiled with 64 bit java.
I know that you can write your own code and run it with the 64 bit launcher,
but I wanted to run the sample code.
And there was no source code for the dlls used by
I found the java V7 examples and documentation here:
ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com//software/Java/Java70/JZOS/
And the java V8 examples and documentation here:
ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com//software/Java/Java80/JZOS/
Peter
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Another point of common confusion wrt JZOS:
"JZOS" is really two separate things:
- The "JZOS batch launcher", for starting the Java JVM conveniently in batch
- The "JZOS Toolkit" class library, which has Java classes and native code
for accessing z/OS services and facilities.
For example:
I was referring specifically to the supplied classes given with JZOS - like
ZipDataSets, those to process MVs files, MVS CONSOLE interaction, etc.
I could not run them with 64 bit java JVMs and could not find any classes
compiled with 64 bit java.
And even if the Java source code for the JZOS
Eileen,
I'm not exactly sure I understand what you mean.
JZOS has been included in the 64-bit SDKs for more than a dozen years.
- The JZOS toolkit java classes (ibmjzos.jar), are java byte codes. There
is no such thing as compiling these with a 31-bit vs 64-bit sdk.
- The JZOS tookit JNI code
For all of my Java programs on z/OS, which is limited, but have done a few
different items, I have only used the Java loaded with z/OS install. Also,
there should a src.zip in /usr/lpp/java/J8.0_64 folder, with a lot of sample
Java code. One thing to note, make sure you have these in your
Re JZOS:
The last time I looked at JZOS , about 2 years ago, there were no supplied
classes for 64 bit java, only 31 bit.
JZOS itself had a 64 bit option to run the batch launcher, but no classes
that I could find, like those for the MVS datasets or my
favorite one for ZipDataSets.
And the
CICS Web Services.
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Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 1:18 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: zos program to supply web based client
Hi,
The z/OS Web Enablement Toolkit does not work
FTP or ssh would be the simplest. FTP could, if needed, be coaxed to submit a
job and the remote whatever can read the job output.
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Of Brian Westerman
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:03
Because if you give users a means to save more datasets that they don't need,
they will do it.
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Of Ed Jaffe
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:48 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject:
I saw a presentation on IBM z/OS Connect EE. Might this be an option?? (I've
never used it, so only suggesting something to quickly review.)
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SS4SVW_2.0.0/com.ibm.zosconnect.doc/overview/what_is.html
-Marna WALLE
z/OS System Installation
IBM
David,
Agreed. No argument here.
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM David Crayford wrote:
> I wasn't arguing I was just stating the fact that REXX is nothing like
> C. To state the bloody obvious it's a scripting language and
> C was designed to write operating systems. They have different design
I wasn't arguing I was just stating the fact that REXX is nothing like
C. To state the bloody obvious it's a scripting language and
C was designed to write operating systems. They have different design
goals and both have their strengths and weaknesses.
On 11/01/2019 8:56 pm, scott Ford wrote:
Also zosmf, right ?
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:30 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh <
vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote:
> How about a socket server with listener and workers.. ?
> No clue how straightforward it is..
>
> – Vignesh
> Mainframe Infrastructure
>
> -Original
Cool!
I got to hear her speak at Texas A University in '81. She was funny, smart
and made plain that she didn't take guff from anybody. A great techie.
Robert Crawford
Mainframe Management
United Services Automobile Association
(210) 913-3822
Manchmal ist das Denken lästig.
- Albert
VM CLIST?! ... No! ... EXEC and EXEC2
On 2019-01-11 07:56, scott Ford wrote:
> You can argue anything is or isn’t , I think what matters is ease of usage
> , platform interchangeability , I.E., Linux and windows for Oorexx.
> The advent of rexx, I started on VM/SP 3 , I think, was a huge
You can argue anything is or isn’t , I think what matters is ease of usage
, platform interchangeability , I.E., Linux and windows for Oorexx.
The advent of rexx, I started on VM/SP 3 , I think, was a huge improvement
over the old VM clist language. The old clist to me being more
clunky . Rexx was
Gil,
Yes, export command is allowed in STDENV. Also, we use a "FOR loop" to load
application jars into the CLASSPATH
for i in "${APP_HOME}"/*.jar; do
CLASSPATH="$CLASSPATH":"$i"
done
Jerry
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion
Yes, here is a sample, mainly from IBM Java samples, to copy a file
import java.io.BufferedReader;
import java.io.BufferedWriter;
import java.io.IOException;
import com.ibm.jzos.FileFactory;
/**
* Sample program that uses the FileFactory class to copy a text file or
dataset.
* The input and
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:11:47 -0500, Cameron Conacher wrote:
>Thanks everyone.
>Looks like I have some reading to do :-)
Yes. And while you are at it, do have a look at the excellent jZos stuff
originally from Dovetailed, but now included in the JVM. It has (amongst many
other goodies) a ZFile
How about a socket server with listener and workers.. ?
No clue how straightforward it is..
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Brian Westerman
Sent: 11 January 2019 08:39
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject:
The don't have CICS, that would have made this almost easy.
z/OS, Adabas, Com-Plete on the mainframe, the open system server is Windows
Server 2018, the application is looking for the "next" available date to
schedule their task, but the "owner" of that schedule is on the mainframe.
The
But I had been informed that the Web enablement toolkit is for z/OS
applications to act as clients, meaning that they are the ones asking for data,
this application needs to work the other way around witht he mainframe
application supplying the data to the outside.
Brian
I respectfully disagree. Upgrading when it's not necessary can be
counter-productive for some sites. While many vendor products do require some
maintenance to "fully" function, especially those that interact directly with
the OS, that doesn't mean that older versions won't work, and in fact,
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