On 1/29/2019 10:07 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
No, just one single CP, no specialty processors are available.
We have two CF LPARs (CF01 and CF02) sharing a single ICF engine. From
both CF consoles I see:
2019029 22:56:50 => display dyndisp
2019029 22:56:50 CF0512I Dynamic CF Dispatching
What is the percent busy at peak times? How big a percent do you
need? 10% for the ICF partition? Would you save that much by
converting Ring to Star?
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:07 AM Brian Westerman
wrote:
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> No, just one single CP, no specialty processors are available.
>
> Brian
>
>
On 1/29/2019 10:17 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
This particular box has just a single CP, no specialty processors, 3 LPARs, one
of them production, one application programmer test, and the other a sandbox
that is extremely low use and in any case shares only the res volume.
They "need" to run
You have failed to answer as to what you see when you try to display x'5000'
in the target address space.
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:28:24 -0600 Wendell Lovewell
<01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
:>Thanks for your replies. I had done a REFRESH in RACF for the FACILITY
profile
This particular box has just a single CP, no specialty processors, 3 LPARs, one
of them production, one application programmer test, and the other a sandbox
that is extremely low use and in any case shares only the res volume.
They "need" to run GRS because it's not really safe to run without
I agree that before the current CF20 implementation of the micocode only
version, it was supposed ot be almost fatal to try it, but with the new z13s
and z14 it's "supposed" to be "low" impact, but it doesn't really talk about
how low the impact is, and if it can be done with a single CP and no
Do you have any figures for how much "more" friendly the CPU usage is?
This box is a single CPU, no ICF, Zipp or zapp.
Brian
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NO, I'm trying to use the Microcode Implementation, it has no CTC, and is just
memory to memory between LPARs on the same physical box.
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No, just one single CP, no specialty processors are available.
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I think you can REJECT specific PTFs.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
>
> I'm the Top-Secret admin for a client whose system programmer retired a
> couple years ago. The client tapped another employee to take his place, and
> she's learning the job with frantic haste but
I agree with the recommendation to get a CF engine as the best/first choice
all around. I also agree to proceed with caution if you're going to share
one or more CPs between the Coupling Facility Control Code (CFCC) and z/OS
and/or other operating systems. "Proceed with caution" is not the same
Dear listers
we are SNSPLex and common recall queue between our Production and test LPAR
ARC1500I PLEXNAME=ARCPLEX0,PROMOTE PRIMARYHOST=NO,PROMOTE SSM=NO,COMMON RECALL
ARC1500I (CONT.) QUEUE BASE NAME=HSMPLEX,COMMON RECALL QUEUE
Problem is a valid user with valid access recalling a dataset
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 11:07, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
> I'm the Top-Secret admin for a client whose system programmer retired a
> couple years ago. The client tapped another employee to take his place, and
> she's learning the job with frantic haste but insists with some justification
> that
We've used ICF on pretty much every model of hardware since z10. We're
currently on z14 and z13s. We use internal coupling links with external links
to another CEC.
We do have--and always have--CF engines shared among non-prod LPARs using thin
interrupt protocol. I would hesitate to suggest
Yeah, guys this what I thought ECVT entry was the way to go..Rob I agree
very 80s. We have a ECVT table entry, so this much better way to go.
I wanted to make sure i know my options before I try to design it. Thanks
one and all, it’s very much appreciated.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 3:18 PM
Let me recommend that vendor word approach. We use it and it works well. You
just want to define the structure that the word will point to in such a way
that you do not paint yourself into an upward compatibility corner. The word is
zero if you have not initialized it.
Access could not be
The approach would work but I think even a LOAD in a system exit is not a good
idea. As Chris said, if you are an ISV you may already have an ECVT entry.
Today I’d almost expect that someone would update a dataset with the changes
and then issue a MODIFY urApp,NEWPARMS=xxx and urApp would
There is a VARY command that uses UNCOND - vary online unconditional sometimes
can override a BOXED device
MS
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If you are an ISV, then I would contact IBM and ask to get an ECVTCTBL word
assigned to your company. That word can be used to point to a CSA structure of
your own making. You can have a program that reads a parm file and sets
appropriate values.
PS - Most system exits don't behave well with
> The other option is to see if the ISPF environment has the ISPF SMP/E panels
> available.
If you are coming from a Unix background, are comfortable with the USS command
line and scripting, and have the xlc compiler available (a lot of "ifs"...),
you might want to try this:
What happens if you box a device offline?
Can you bring it back online?
Rob Schramm
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 2:19 AM Mehrshad Manshadi <
0056e0e17177-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
> In response to a D U,,ALLOC command, msgIEE106I is issued
> indicating a jobname of *UNKNOWN for
Scott,
Not to be overly critical, but isn't this scheme a little 1980's? I had
thought most products had moved away from this and moved to parm-driven with
some sort of refresh or command driven override.
Not saying it won't work.. because it will.
I will let others comment on the specifics.
"Programs" do not get to write or directly control the contents of SMF 30
records. IRXJCL would have no way to "record the member" (in the SMF 30).
IBM would of course be free to add the PARM= information to the SMF 30 record,
or to create a new record type for PARM= data, or a new record type
Just a few thoughts from my vast (well, half-vast) SMP/E experience
Always receive HOLDDATA before doing anything - it may alert you to previously
received fixes that are now marked PE (PROGRAM IN ERROR)
Holddata can also inform you of previously-PE ptf that are now resolved
The REPORT
If PTF A has PTF B as a prerequisite, and both have been applied, but neither
has been accepted, then in order to restore A, you must also restore B. GROUP
will not help you here. IIRC, if you restore B and specify GROUP, SMP/E will
restore both A and B, but I'm not at all sure about this.
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 09:08:07 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>To the best of my (possibly faulty, of course) recollection SMF does not
>record PARM= anywhere under any circumstances -- other than if it somehow gets
>used in a way that ends up in SMF, e.g. a program that takes PARM=ddname and
>then
Thanks for your replies. I had done a REFRESH in RACF for the FACILITY profile
changes.
If I start IPCS in an alternate session and then allow the application to
abend, I can still view memory areas after the abend via ACTIVE in the
alternate session, but not from a second TSO user. (But
Brian,
We've actually been thinking about this too, as we evaluate moving to z14's. We
currently have a 5 member GRS ring that could really benefit moving to GRS
Star, but nobody want's to spend any $ for an ICF.
As of BC12 generation IBM was still recommending against using GPs for CF
BB5> My best friend and I developed a protocol when our long, long debates
started going electronic back in the '80s. (He abandoned his Catholic
upbringing just about the time I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, so we've
been merrily arguing over it ever since.) The initials and numbers are
All:
I want to be able to have an options program for our product that the
customer updates.
Then they would assemble/bind it and we can call it to pass options to our
exits. The exits
are system type exits, so i know I/O is limited or not existent. My
question is if i want a program to build the
On 2019-01-29, at 10:09:25, Allan Staller wrote:
> They were indented when I sent it.
>
Thanks. I blame much misbehavior on hypermodern mailer software
(You appear to be using MS-Exchange) that aggressively reformats
to optimize for handheld devices where character cells are precious.
Too
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> Question #1) We started by applying a PTF - call it A for simplicity - and its
>
They were indented when I sent it.
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On 2019-01-29, at 09:52:18, Allan Staller wrote:
>
To the best of my (possibly faulty, of course) recollection SMF does not record
PARM= anywhere under any circumstances -- other than if it somehow gets used in
a way that ends up in SMF, e.g. a program that takes PARM=ddname and then opens
that DD name. (You would get an SMF 14, 15, 42 or 6x
On 2019-01-29, at 09:52:18, Allan Staller wrote:
> Comments interspersed.
>
> HTH,
>
Thanks. It would further be useful if you distinguished quoted material
with the customary ">" prefix.
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> Sent:
Well, the messages from the RESTORE indicate that SMP/E thinks that they are
applied.
If you want to re-APPLY them, merely add the keyword REDO to the APPLY
statement.
But you also need to know the procedures that were followed at your shop. It
is very rare that APPLY goes to a live system. It
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:46:39 -0500, Bob Bridges wrote:
>Never heard of CA-MSM, but I'll look into it. (I've been in contact with Bob
>Boerum at CA, but he's never mentioned it.)
>
>We've been using the SMP/E panels, and, as you say, letting them construct the
>JCL.
>
Yes. And I always save
And on top of that, backup, ACCEPT, backup, RECEIVE, backup, APPLY
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Comments interspersed.
HTH,
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I'm the Top-Secret admin for a client whose system programmer retired a
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 16:23:06 +, David Spiegel wrote:
>Hi Bob,
>2) Yes for the current situation. If, however, PTFs between base and
>your new PTFs are ACCEPTd, no.
>> ... [about 20 lines skipped]
>> Question #2) ...
What ever became of the venerable practice of interleaving replies close
Some of us developed a maintenance cycle of ACCEPT, RECEIVE, APPLY. :-)
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Never heard of CA-MSM, but I'll look into it. (I've been in contact with Bob
Boerum at CA, but he's never mentioned it.)
We've been using the SMP/E panels, and, as you say, letting them construct the
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:06:51 -0500, Bob Bridges wrote:
>...
>Anyway, we attempted the RESTORE, but we got lots and lots of error messages
>saying we need to include other PTFs in the RESTORE. Some of these have an
>indirect connection to A and B; B superceded at least three of them, for
I will second what Lizette said, but also, I have to ask, the 'other' person
tapped to take over, was she a sysprog ? new to SMP/E? seems 2 years is a long
time for any maint not applied to any security product.
you should concentrate on your current situation, research the use of APPLY/
Hi Bob,
2) Yes for the current situation. If, however, PTFs between base and
your new PTFs are ACCEPTd, no.
Regards,
David
On 2019-01-29 11:06, Bob Bridges wrote:
> I'm the Top-Secret admin for a client whose system programmer retired a
> couple years ago. The client tapped another employee
The other option is to see if the ISPF environment has the ISPF SMP/E panels
available.
That also can help reduce the stress of using SMP/E
REC/APP/REST/REJ/ACC are pretty easy to do. Try not to get lost in the
details.
The panels will wrap JCL around what you are going to do. I save
For supporting any CA Product, you should be using if possible, CA MSM.
This is a gui interface that makes CA SMP/E maintenance easier
It pulls the fixes, and you just select what you want it does the rest.
Do you have CAMSM available to you?
Lizette
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I'm the Top-Secret admin for a client whose system programmer retired a couple
years ago. The client tapped another employee to take his place, and she's
learning the job with frantic haste but insists with some justification that
she's not a system programmer yet. Me, I came into security
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:19:07 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote:
>
>Let's say there's a REXX program being run in batch with
>PGM=IKJEFB1B,PARM='%SOMETHING'.
>I'm sure SMF records program names.. but is there any field that also captures
>the REXX that's being run via IKJEFT01 or IKJEFT1B?
>
The DDnames are available on the 30_4 I believe but SYSIN, or SYSTSIN if used
can tell you the dataset used if -- invocation via SYSTSIN was used, most
likely the PARM is used
Carmen Vitullo
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How about the SYSIN, is that available in any SMF, if I were to look at records
related to the ones with PGM=IKJEFT1B... ?
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
On 29-Jan-2019, at 20:44, Charles Mills wrote:
I have a lot of SMF record field experience and I do not recall the PARM=
data being
Cross posting to IBMMAIN and DB2-L
Just looking to see if there are any suggestions on how to set up a Dataclas in
ISMF for DB2 tables?
With V2.2 or V2.3 the following entries are new or some or older and maybe need
adjustments.
Space Constraint Relief
Reduce Space Up to (%)
Guaranteed
I have a lot of SMF record field experience and I do not recall the PARM=
data being recorded anywhere, not in SMF 30, nor elsewhere.
SMF 14 should record the SYSLIB dataset being closed but that is about it.
Charles
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I've never seen the CLIST or REXX EXEC being recorded in the SMF 30 record, but
I've never had a need to look. I think a product like TSOMON had that ability
IIRC.
Carmen Vitullo
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Thanks. As the culprit program was not apparent I got around this by writing my
own version of the REXX storage function and added a profile for it to the
PROGRAM class.
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If the lpars are in a base sysplex you can use XCF to carry the GRS traffic and
still be in a RING setup. GRS using XCF is better than letting GRS try to
handle things.
We have been using both an internal and external CF for years. Currently the
internal is on a z13. All the lpars on that
Sorry Kees, I got a bit off track, the outsourcer I worked at used a number of
JES2 exits to add SCHENV dependant on the specific client, it was pretty cool
because all batch, unless your ID was entered into a table, ran via the
scheduler, the schedulers resources + SCHENV and WLM resources
W dniu 2019-01-29 o 07:23, Brian Westerman pisze:
Hi,
Has anyone had any experience with using the internal coupling channels on a z13.
"supposedly" IBM has removed the active wait problems (where the CF lpar would
try to use 100% of whatever it gets from PR/SM), but I was wondering if it's
Hello List!
Let's say there's a REXX program being run in batch with
PGM=IKJEFB1B,PARM='%SOMETHING'.
I'm sure SMF records program names.. but is there any field that also captures
the REXX that's being run via IKJEFT01 or IKJEFT1B?
Thanks in advance!
- Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
Kees, yes we do run into from time to time someone who wants to run a job that
might have conflicting resources. An example might be MQ and SAS. If there is
not an MQ task running on the same lpar as SAS then the user needs to rethink
how they have the job set up. They may have to break the
Allen, Carmen,
I know how SCHENVs work, we used them for limited purposes.
My question to Paul was, how does he get the right SCHENV added to a job.
With our 'dependencies' we moved almost all handling to Exit60, require users
to use standard PROCs and put the info for the 'dependencies' in the
There are so many options with WLM and SCHDENV and WLM resources, you can get
real sophisticated. at a very low level at the outsources we used SCHDENV to
ensure the correct client ran on the correct LPAR in the PLEX, in one place I
worked, SCHDENV and WLM resources were used to AID in moving
How do you add a SCHENV to a job? Does the user/submittor do this or is
it done automatically?
1) JES can assign a default SCHENV on the JOBDEF/JOBCLASS(n) init parms
2) Modern schedulers (CA7, CTL-M) allow this to be added to the job as part of
their processing.
3) SCHENV= on Job Card.
There
GRS RING can/will run over CTC's. Not sure I would want to do that in a 3
member ring. It was bad enough in a 2 member ring.
I am currently using an ICF on a z/12 BC w/no issue. Howerr, I am not sure an
ICF is the same thing you are describing.
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Paul,
Thanks. That is similar to we do with our 'Dependencies'.
The difference is that our jobs can have several 'dependencies'. Jobs can have
only 1 SCHENV and 1 WITH. This gives less flexibility, e.g. for jobs that need
IMS or DB2 or IMS+DB2.
Kees.
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There was a sample WLM(z/os work load management ) setting in the internet
which i downloaded long time ago.
Anybody have that internet address?
Thanks
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Kees, we do this several ways. Users can add the SCHENV to their jobs if they
know what resource they will need. As an example if they know they are using
MQ in their job they will add the needed SCHENV to their job. We also add
SCHENV during processing in JES2 exit 60. An example we will
>How many lines in your ISFPCU41?
541 :-) with the copyright by Rocket Software. But then, the primary panel is
one column only these days (which took some getting-used-to).
>Ungodly? :-) I have 153 entries and almost never issue =blah.blah.blah.blah
The problem is that many of the entries we
On 28/01/2019 12:47 pm, Jim Mulder wrote:
It is unfortunate that IBM does not make PL/X (which
has object-oriented capabilities) available
to ISVs.
Is OO PL/X still being used for active development at IBM? I can
remember a conversation I had with a guy from Hursley who told me OO
PL/X was
How many lines in your ISFPCU41?
I just noticed a major drop in the number of lines from 2.2 to 2.3 (768 down to
541)
Ungodly? :-) I have 153 entries and almost never issue =blah.blah.blah.blah
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>Are you using the default panel ISFPCU41? Has anyone modified it?
Vanilla ISPF/SDSF, no usermods, and the panel is always named ISFPCU41.
>How are you invoking it? Like this?PGM(ISFISP) NOCHECK NEWAPPL(ISF)
>SCRNAME(SDSF)
Exactly like this: PGM(ISFISP) NEWAPPL(ISF) SCRNAME(SDSF) NOCHECK
Barbara,
Are you using the default panel ISFPCU41? Has anyone modified it?
Use ISRDDN to see if there is another copy somewhere: M ISFPCU41
How are you invoking it? Like this?PGM(ISFISP) NOCHECK NEWAPPL(ISF)
SCRNAME(SDSF)
I skip the SDSF primary most of the time by adding command table
Again: The APF command is NOT failing, it 'just' does not show on the main
panel! It only shows *after* the APF command was *successfully* executed! And
then only for as long as I stay within that session.
With the exception of 4 userids, *everybody* is in ISFUSER, which doesn't mean
anything
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