Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
Alexander Huemer wrote: >I am new to this list and would like to discuss an idea and ask several >questions. >* Did anybody ever attempt to 'talk' to 3270 terminals with something > different than an IBM mainframe? Yes, here are some examples of entities that did exactly that: Amdahl Fujitsu

Re: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-14 Thread Anthony Thompson
> Hi, > SDSF allocates two SYSOUT files named HSFLOG and HSFTRACE. > How do I change the SYSOUT Class these files use? > I am running z/OS v2.3 > Gadi SYSOUT class for SDSF trace can be set in ISFPRMxx OPTION TRCLASS(output class) Defaults to class A. I don't see an ISFPRMxx parameter for

Re: HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-14 Thread Dan D
I believe it's SDSFAUX that allocates these files. Check proclib for this member and just change the DD statements. Dan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

HSFLOG and HSFTRACE

2020-01-14 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi, SDSF allocates two SYSOUT files named HSFLOG and HSFTRACE. How do I change the SYSOUT Class these files use? I am running z/OS v2.3 Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Edward Finnell
22L was Escon and supported SNA  and non-SNA. All in the wrist... In a message dated 1/14/2020 10:21:25 PM Central Standard Time, cfmt...@uniserve.com writes: There were both bus and tag 3174 terminals which could be used for consoles and local SNA terminals which only worked with VTAM.

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 14 Jan 2020 17:07:32 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Grant Taylor) wrote: >On 1/14/20 2:52 AM, Alexander Huemer wrote: >> Hi There were both bus and tag 3174 terminals which could be used for consoles and local SNA terminals which only

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Grant Taylor
On 1/14/20 2:52 AM, Alexander Huemer wrote: Hi Hi, I am new to this list and would like to discuss an idea and ask several questions. Welcome. * Did anybody ever attempt to 'talk' to 3270 terminals with something different than an IBM mainframe? Yes* * because it's highly dependent on

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 14 Jan 2020 13:58:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main frank.swarbr...@outlook.com (Frank Swarbrick) wrote: >I disagree with that. A new version may simply be new features, none >affecting any features the old version supported. The 6.3 compiler supports a new ARCH level for the z15

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Allan Kielstra
Thanks a lot, Charles! That's going to occupy a lot of the team's time next week trying to answer that question! So far, I know of at least one that is having a very hard time. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
I think we are getting into "how many compiler developers can dance on the head of a pin?" territory here. I stand by my original answer: - Yes, be prudent. There are old sysprogs and there are bold sysprogs but there are no old, bold sysprogs. - I would be surprised if there were any reasons why

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I disagree with that. A new version may simply be new features, none affecting any features the old version supported. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 13:09:29 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >> My question has to do with the (probably slight) possibility that the code >generated by one compiler would be different, for the same statement, for >another. > >It certainly would. If the code generated for every statement was the same

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
I would say you do talk TN3270 to the emulator: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1576 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
> My question has to do with the (probably slight) possibility that the code generated by one compiler would be different, for the same statement, for another. It certainly would. If the code generated for every statement was the same for both compilers, then there would be no difference between

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Thanks Allan, that eases my mind quite a bit. No z15 for us yet. And use of any new features of course will require testing and implementation with the latest compiler version. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Kielstra Sent: Tuesday,

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Allan Kielstra
Hi Frank There are a few relatively minor differences in code generated but these tend to be mostly focused on taking advantage of z15. I assume you're not compiling for z15 (yet)? Other than z15 exploitation, this is like a really big continuous delivery PTF. There is always the

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
An interface to 3270 displays would be useful only if you had software that supported 3270 on your platform. Further, is there a real 3270 that is less expensive than running, e.g., TN3270, on a desktop? RS-232-C is just a protocol between a serial adapter and a modem; it doesn't specify,

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
You don't talk TN3270 to an emulator; all of the 3270 simulation is in the TN3270 client. Tn3270 just encapsulates 3270 data streams and associated housekeeping. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
V6.3 introduced 64-bit (batch) support. We don't intend to take advantage of this yet, if ever. Especially with the requirement to support two sets of "shared" subroutines if we were to do so. Honestly, it seems like that wouldn't be that difficult; just compile the program twice in to two

Re: Migrating to new compiler release

2020-01-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I understand that the runtime is part of LE, and is generally shared between versions (at least V5 and V6 seem to share the same runtime for many/most functions). Conceivably it's still possible that the code generated by a certain version of a compiler may have defects. Probably less likely

Re: What is a mainframe?

2020-01-14 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
z.sch...@gmail.com (z/OS scheduler) writes: > IMHO TCP/ip is part and parcel of this new "Open Source / Written by > Hackers" we are living in. > I cannot believe that C.C.I.T.T.would have recommended to IBM to make their > product more hack-able - unless Microsoft or SUN had big influence on >

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
Did you try percussive maintenance? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of zMan Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Talking to 3270

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread scott Ford
zMan me to and the less than aware users On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:27 PM zMan wrote: > I used to swear at mine on a regular basis. To no apparent effect. > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:45 PM Mike Schwab > wrote: > > > > > >

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread zMan
I used to swear at mine on a regular basis. To no apparent effect. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:45 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > > https://turnkey-mvs.yahoogroups.narkive.com/YoMvjj8Q/turnkey-mvs-under-vm-and-3270-w-3174 > 3174 with ethernet and token ring. Hercules on PC connected to > ethernet.

Re: LOGR Offload Dataset deletion problem

2020-01-14 Thread Leonardo Vaz
Seems like some problem with the data then, is opening a PMR an option? If not, can you run it without a date or you don't want to lose everything? You can also write a small assembler program to issue an IXGDELET against the logstream, I've done that in the past and wouldn't mind sharing it.

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Mike Schwab
https://turnkey-mvs.yahoogroups.narkive.com/YoMvjj8Q/turnkey-mvs-under-vm-and-3270-w-3174 3174 with ethernet and token ring. Hercules on PC connected to ethernet. Apple II with token ring as console. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:24 AM Charles Mills wrote: > > Would talking the TN3270 protocol to

Re: Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Charles Mills
Would talking the TN3270 protocol to a 3270 emulator do the job for you? That solves all of the hardware issues: it is simply TCP out of your implementation and into the emulator. You could then if you wished "graduate" to a real 3270 terminal. If I were doing it I would go SNA but that is

Re: SMPE UPGRADE Command

2020-01-14 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 1/13/2020 8:48 AM, Barbara Nitz wrote: GIM58901E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD HCKR240. SYSMOD HCKR240 WOULD HAVE CAUSED A CHANGE TO THE MVST ZONE THAT CAN NOT BE PROCESSED COMPLETELY BY PRIOR LEVELS OF SMP/E. USE THE UPGRADE COMMAND TO ALLOW

Re: SMPE UPGRADE Command

2020-01-14 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Have done a number of CBPDO installation sunder z/OS 2.2 last year that all >required using the UPGRADE command. If you are using a new SMPE environment >then go with the UPGRADE. Had no issues doing this. But it is confusing as it >implies that the zones you create with the version of SMPE

Re: SMPE UPGRADE Command

2020-01-14 Thread Steve Cross
Have done a number of CBPDO installation sunder z/OS 2.2 last year that all required using the UPGRADE command. If you are using a new SMPE environment then go with the UPGRADE. Had no issues doing this. But it is confusing as it implies that the zones you create with the version of SMPE you

Re: What is a mainframe?

2020-01-14 Thread z/OS scheduler
IMHO TCP/ip is part and parcel of this new "Open Source / Written by Hackers" we are living in. I cannot believe that C.C.I.T.T.would have recommended to IBM to make their product more hack-able - unless Microsoft or SUN had big influence on C.C.I.T.T. Op di 14 jan. 2020 om 09:51 schreef Dave

Talking to 3270 terminals?

2020-01-14 Thread Alexander Huemer
Hi I am new to this list and would like to discuss an idea and ask several questions. * Did anybody ever attempt to 'talk' to 3270 terminals with something different than an IBM mainframe? This might sound like a strange idea, though I find it intriguing to be able to display content on

Re: What is a mainframe?

2020-01-14 Thread Dave Wade
Folks, Its easy to target TCPIP but IMHO the issues are to do with its universal use, and the libraries used to implement it. So I will just remind you all that what I think was one of the first nasty programs, the "CHRISTMA EXEC" worm, was actually spread over BITNET and VNET which at the

Re: CBTTAPE - Any Automation tool for console message trap

2020-01-14 Thread ITschak Mugzach
but file 708 will. I made some modifications, but for a basic use it works very well. ITschak On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:34 AM Michael Knigge wrote: > IIRC, sadly AUTOMAN won't run anymore because of an internal "expiration > date" check > > > > Bye, > Michael > > > SET GmbH > Lister

AW: CBTTAPE - Any Automation tool for console message trap

2020-01-14 Thread Michael Knigge
IIRC, sadly AUTOMAN won't run anymore because of an internal "expiration date" check Bye, Michael SET GmbH Lister Straße 15 30163 Hannover Telefon: +49 511 330 998 23 Fax: +49 511 330 998 65 michael.kni...@set.de www.set.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Hannover HRB 52778

Re: CBTTAPE - Any Automation tool for console message trap

2020-01-14 Thread Brian Westerman
TSSO will likely do what you want. I think it's on file 403, but I could be wrong. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN