Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-11 Thread Mike Stramba
> After "Hello World!" maybe the next step would be "99 Bottles of Beer"! After "Hello World" (output only ...obv), I like an "age" program : /* rexx */ say 'What is your name ?' pull name say 'What is your age ?' pull age yb = 2020 - age say 'You were born in the year ' yb Mike

Hercules - learn the hardware

2020-04-11 Thread Mike Stramba
I've had the most fun with Hercules, poking around with "bare metal" programs. Something I'm not likely to be able to do (especially these days) in the for seeable future. I started with the simplest 370 I/O (output) (see below), then did some "raw" dasd channel programming, then

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread David Crayford
Instead of these work arounds to use a prehistoric DOS-based editor why don't you switch to an IDE? The best IDE for Java is Intellij IDEA which has highly advanced code analysis/refactoring features. What exactly does SPF/PC buy you? On 2020-04-12 10:56 AM, CM Poncelet wrote: No can do.

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread CM Poncelet
No can do. The SPF/PC 4.0.7 editor is DOS-based, but has an extender to use whatever memory it needs > 640K.   It's Windoze that needs fixing.   On 12/04/2020 03:45, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 03:40:58 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: > >> Thanks, but never mind. >>   >> The change to

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 03:40:58 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >Thanks, but never mind. >  >The change to using '.jav' instead of '.java' for the compiler would >have to be done at Java's implementation level, i.e. as a sysadmin or >sysprog. I have found no-one among the Java developers and course tutors

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread CM Poncelet
Thanks, but never mind.   The change to using '.jav' instead of '.java' for the compiler would have to be done at Java's implementation level, i.e. as a sysadmin or sysprog. I have found no-one among the Java developers and course tutors who could tell me how to do this. So I thought this list

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Fortunately I bought TSPF while Tritus was still selling it, so I never had to deal with CTC. It runs under DOS, OS/2 and 32-bit windoze; alas, there is no Linux version. It's much more compatible with ISPF than SPF/PC. Yes, I do have FreeDos on my OS/2 machine, but I hardly ever use it. --

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread CM Poncelet
Yes - I still use DOS and SPF/PC, which are about 20 times faster CPU-wise than Windows XP (the last version that still supports DOS applications.)   Thanks for the 'support'. Cheers, Chris   On 11/04/2020 16:00, Greg Price wrote: > On 2020-04-11 11:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>> Does anyone

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Many professors enjoy teaching, but hold their class load down to a level that lets them do their research. Others dislike teaching and let their graduate assistants and such teach as many classes as possible. IMHO, iit is better to accommodate the preferences of the faculty. -- Shmuel

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Seems pretty usual for tenured professors to farm out teaching to locums and do "research". As for what they do on a sabbatical, research... On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > My point is you seemed to be surprised by something that a faculty brat > should not have found

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
My point is you seemed to be surprised by something that a faculty brat should not have found unusual. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Saturday, April 11,

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
because you seemed to find unusual something that was bog standard. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:55 AM To:

Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-11 Thread Bob Bridges
I remember back in the '80s, before Windows, when everyone had a menu system such as Maestro on their DOS PCs, I reprogrammed a coworker's menu system. Whenever he brought up Harvard Graphics, it modified the menu option for Word. When he ran the Word option, it displayed a quick "Roberto is

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread scott Ford
Scott: You must also agree its not always efficient coding or usage of memory. In my experience, it was ease of usage. For example, you mention HLASM and people 'give you that look'. It also depends on the person writing the code itself. Just my $.02 worth Scott On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 8:33 AM

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread scott Ford
In Mexico of course the CICS maps were in Spanish On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:15 PM scott Ford wrote: > Yeah, I worked in Mexico and Europe , primarily Swiss French. The CICS > maps were in the countries language. Where our initial challenge was Swiss > French keyboards, they were quiet

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread scott Ford
Yeah, I worked in Mexico and Europe , primarily Swiss French. The CICS maps were in the countries language. Where our initial challenge was Swiss French keyboards, they were quiet different. Scott On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:39 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > He was just responding to your parenthesis,

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread Greg Price
On 2020-04-11 11:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Does anyone know how to change this default '.java' extension to a 3-char one, such as '.jav',  that DOS and SPF/PC could then edit, compile and run? WTF? Windows hasn't suffered the 8.3 restriction for many releases now. I think DOS and

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Phil Smith III
Bob Bridges wrote: >He was just responding to your parenthesis, I assumed. Explaining how sabbaticals work to a faculty brat? Why? That wasn't the question I asked at all. Just sayin'. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-11 Thread Rupert Reynolds
Talking of "Hello, world!", I remember working in ISPF/TSO, when a line-mode message filled the screen. A text rendering of a ghost and "Nasty Wetmonster* phantom strikes again!". Everyone in the office got it. I looked up the TPUT macro and found the USERIDL= parameter. Some clown was scanning

Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-11 Thread Bob Bridges
When I was very young, my sister and I made up a rule: If knowing one word of a language meant we could speak that language, how many languages could we speak? I knew "da" and "nyet" from Rocky and Bullwinkle, so I could speak Russian. "Sayonara", ok, that's Japanese. And so on. In the

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Bob Bridges
He was just responding to your parenthesis, I assumed. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Q: Why is there no such organization as Chocoholics Anonymous? A: Because no one wants to quit. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread Bob Bridges
I would think this is a change you'd make not in Java but in Windows. Windows keeps a list of "associations", so that when you double-click on a file with extension .xlsx, for example, it knows to run Excel. Every time I get a new computer, I change the association for .rtf to run WordPad

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 04:08:43 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >  >Java was originally called Oak, which would have had a DOS 8.3 '.oak' >extension.  >  >I understand that the default ',java' extension is arbitrary and can be >changed to a compiler recognized 3-char extension such as '.jav', instead. > 

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-11 Thread Scott Chapman
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:10:02 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Sigh: > >https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32095395/cobol-programming-language-covid-19/ > At the end it really goes off the rails when it starts making performance assumptions that Java would be impossibly slow, and maybe

Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-11 Thread Robert Prins
On 2020-04-11 06:25, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-04-11 8:42 AM, Dale R. Smith wrote: After "Hello World!" maybe the next step would be "99 Bottles of Beer"!:-)> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/ After a few real beers, the virtual beers would be a lot harder!  Ha Ha haha, some creative soul

Re: About the "hello world" program

2020-04-11 Thread David Crayford
On 2020-04-11 8:42 AM, Dale R. Smith wrote: After "Hello World!" maybe the next step would be "99 Bottles of Beer"!:-)> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/ After a few real beers, the virtual beers would be a lot harder! Ha Ha haha, some creative soul has even done JCL using utilities