Re: How to use dfsort to filter keywords that aren't fixed position

Thanks for Martin, Massimo, and Kolusu's help As Massino mention that a multiline WTO cannot be interrupted, we need to handle multiline messages in OPERLOG or SYSLOG that cannot be interrupted. for IBM manul Each SYSLOG record is prefaced by a two-character record type field. Valid first

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Yes indeed "PL/I is the only language you'll ever need" - other than assembler and machine code.   It was initially called Fortran VI (1962), then NPL, then eventually PL/I (with the "/" borrowed from OS/360 and the Roman "I" from Fortran VI.)    It combined the numerical and formula processings

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Regina REXX is the first (and probably only) product I ever installed at an employer's site; mostly I figure it's best just to use what's already there when writing tools. But one day I heard my boss talking on the phone about a difficult task: In order to hunt for viri in the system, they would

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

+1   BTW My TSO REXX began with IBM's MVS/XA in 1990 and not withMike Cowlishaw's original 1984 REXX.     Rexx appeared, on TSO, somewhere in 1988/1989 On 19/12/2021 13:40, René Jansen wrote: > My impression is that this sudden ‘article’ is linked to this ‘modernise the > mainframe’ effort. It

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

If you have a C compiler you can build gawk from source. David Pitts ported it years ago. On 20/12/21 3:13 am, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I have been using awk from JCL using DD's as script source, input and output files for years now. There is no issue using awk in normal JCL. I even use

Don't feed the trolls

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Re: The Great Resignation

I've seen your type before Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 7:47 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > LOLOLOLOL, you know nothing about me. You’re not book or street smart. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 8:36 PM,

Re: The Great Resignation

LOLOLOLOL, you know nothing about me. You’re not book or street smart. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 8:36 PM, Joe Monk wrote: Clearly not. Youre book smart, but not street smart. Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 7:01 PM Bill Johnson <

Re: The Great Resignation

Clearly not. Youre book smart, but not street smart. Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 7:01 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’m not your friend and I doubt you’ve read as much as I have regarding > climate change. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >

Re: The Great Resignation

I’m not your friend and I doubt you’ve read as much as I have regarding climate change.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 7:58 PM, Joe Monk wrote: I've read more than you, my friend. I read it every time I go in the sky. Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:48 PM

Re: The Great Resignation

I've read more than you, my friend. I read it every time I go in the sky. Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:48 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Read some climate science. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 4:53 PM, Joe

Re: The Great Resignation

I blame the British for running out of peat (#K years old) and switching to coal (#M years old) and developing the steam engine. Everything else follows from that. On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Ronald Wells <02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > the baby boomers are much to

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

I see that it has stream I/O. What else has it added that isn't VM specific? And, yes, PIPES would be a welcome addition to TSO. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> The previous ply was comparing Rexx to JCL, not OREXX, but OK: Yes, but I didn't want somebody to take "REXX" as including OREXX or OOREXX > Rexx compound symbols are associative arrays. No, but you can use a bunch of compound symbols to simulate an associative array, That touches on one of

Re: The Great Resignation

I was thinking a Qanon meeting or gettr. My bet is they are big lovers of those. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 6:53 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Take the politics to alt.2600. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: The Great Resignation

Take the politics to alt.2600. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joe Monk [joemon...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2021 3:34 PM To:

Re: The Great Resignation

Read some climate science. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 4:53 PM, Joe Monk wrote: NP. Just some things really stick in my craw. Sorry. Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:36 PM Doug wrote: > Can we PLEASE move this topic off list? > If you are so inclined, look

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> I like TSO-REXX's associative arrays, Well, alternative to associative arrays. > I've just been over the types of arrays in the documentation > and, again, I can tell I don't understand all the nuances. I try to learn new languages incrementally. I learn classes and methods as I need them.

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 22:12:02 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >On Sun, 19 Dec 2021, at 20:18, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:05:01 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >>> >> No. See: > >I don't see any justification there for the use of the noun "ply"

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

I heard about ooREXX years ago and thought about it a long time, but kept putting it off because it wasn't something I could use to write tools for clients. (For them I pretty much have to limit myself to TSO-REXX, VBA and VBScript.) But a year or two ago I ran into a task that I tried first

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021, at 20:18, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:05:01 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >> >>> The previous ply ... >> >>Every time I see this use of "ply" I think it's weird. It seems a >> sort of back-formation from "reply". >> > No. See:

Re: Has this forum moved to another server ?

In Message-ID:, Barry Schwarz wrote: >On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:50:15 -0800 (PST), tim popescu >wrote: > >>Has this forum moved to another server ? If so, where ? > >This is not a Usenet forum. It is an echo of the IBM Main listserv >hosted by Alabama University. But the OP has a point. I read

Re: The Great Resignation

NP. Just some things really stick in my craw. Sorry. Joe On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:36 PM Doug wrote: > Can we PLEASE move this topic off list? > If you are so inclined, look up Post Permian Mass Extinction and > contemplate it's implications. > > In the meantime, can we keep this off IBM-Main?

Re: The Great Resignation

Can we PLEASE move this topic off list? If you are so inclined, look up Post Permian Mass Extinction and contemplate it's implications. In the meantime, can we keep this off IBM-Main? Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From: "Joe Monk" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 19-Dec-21

Re: The Great Resignation

Le 19/12/2021 à 21:34, Joe Monk a écrit : "And as we are seeing, the baby boomers are much to blame for global warming, the results we are seeing in fires, floods, polar icecaps melting, and yes, the recent record setting tornadoes in Kentucky, Tennessee, & other states." Jeez man, get a grip.

Re: The Great Resignation

"And as we are seeing, the baby boomers are much to blame for global warming, the results we are seeing in fires, floods, polar icecaps melting, and yes, the recent record setting tornadoes in Kentucky, Tennessee, & other states." Jeez man, get a grip. The Earth has had a climate since it was

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:05:01 +, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > >> The previous ply ... > >Every time I see this use of "ply" I think it's weird. It seems a sort of >back-formation from "reply". > No. See: >It's not, as far as I know, valid in UK English. Is

News mirror broken - was: Re: test

In article <9kkqoghpp6fseqdviuisqvbu6n6h43t...@4ax.com> you wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 22:35:43 -0600, Arnold Trembley > wrote: > > >test > >why no usenet postings? > The gateway from the IBM-MAIN listserv to usenet either was dropped in > the last 5 months or posts using TLS1.2 which my

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 19:13:53 +, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: >I have been using awk from JCL using DD's as script source, input and output >files for years now. There is no issue using awk in normal JCL. I even use a >gawk script for decoding CSV input that I wrote literally decades ago

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021, at 19:55, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > The previous ply was comparing Rexx to JCL, not OREXX, but OK: Every time I see this use of "ply" I think it's weird. It seems a sort of back-formation from "reply". It's not, as far as I know, valid in UK English. Is it valid anywhere

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Please send some JCL examples for using AWK outside of USS with zos sequential files. Thank you very much ! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2021 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL]

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:34:55 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Similarly, I'd like to have easy access to ISPF without any TSO >> involvement, and without allocating a bunch of DDNAMEs. > >What's wrong with batch TMP? CMS? > >> Rexx lacks: >> o Ability to invoke a mixture of authorized and

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

I have been using awk from JCL using DD's as script source, input and output files for years now. There is no issue using awk in normal JCL. I even use a gawk script for decoding CSV input that I wrote literally decades ago in my JCL-invoked awk steps. JCL examples available on request.

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> Similarly, I'd like to have easy access to ISPF without any TSO > involvement, and without allocating a bunch of DDNAMEs. What's wrong with batch TMP? CMS? > Rexx lacks: > o Ability to invoke a mixture of authorized and non-authorized programs from > the same script. Maybe in IRXJCL et al,

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> (also note that the language name has been mixed case for decades). I try to follow local custom; here and in other IBM-related fora I use all caps; in wiki and other generic fora I use mixed case. > Easily extendable: True. Rexx is too, but not that many folks have written > Rexx function

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:56:05 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: >Interesting. Python is great; we use a ton of it. I'm happy that Guido's >original stupid (yes, I used that word) position that Python would never ... > For reference: >support EBCDIC has been

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

If IBM would just upgrade the z/OS REXX to the same level as currently shipped with z/VM it would be an improvement. Then if they were to also include PIPES then REXX would be far superior to any other scripting language (or at least close). Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website:

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Interesting. Python is great; we use a ton of it. I'm happy that Guido's original stupid (yes, I used that word) position that Python would never support EBCDIC has been overridden. ("How important is z/OS? I'm very skeptical of the viability of any OS that uses an encoding that is not a superset

Re: The Great Resignation

the baby boomers are much to blame for global warming ? >>> it is the politicians/corp's and the $$$ and still is that are to blame -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 4:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sunday 19/12/2021 at 9:41 am, René Jansen wrote: snip But wait: then it would not be the mainframe anymore, that controlled environment that people trust. In the coming years, you will regret that choice, when one of the Python libraries sprouts a ‘log4j’. If a site uses Apache, it

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 15:28:09 +, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote: > >Id rather have easy access to AWK than python :-) > I've never found it difficult to access awk. >On the zos side without any USS involvement.. > Similarly, I'd like to have easy access to ISPF without any TSO involvement, and

Get a Computer JOB ! - Re: The Great Resignation

Back in the late 90s whenever I got a telemarketing call I used to try to convince the caller to go get trained for some kind of computer job. I used to tell them how the job market was great due to the Y2K problem. If nothing else I kept them on the phone for a longer time so that they werent

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Great response René. To further discussion I think you hit on a few key points that are not related to Python specifically. Notably, sourcing code and installing it (your reference to `sudo apt install`) and the comparison to Rexx versus Clist (a new comer capability versus an incumbent).

AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Id rather have easy access to AWK than python :-) On the zos side without any USS involvement.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2021 10:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Top 8

Re: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 14:54:41 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Did you ask him what a mail server was? That nomenclature goes back to the >ARPA network. > I don't recall that I did. I would have expected him to answer, "The SMTP virtual machine, of course." >>Am I the only one to remember when

Re: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

Exactly. What we did in the early 80’s with GM subsidiaries migrating to EDS data centers. Running midwestern companies like Packard Electric, Allison Transmission, and others in Charlotte, Dallas data centers. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 8:22 AM, Seymour J

Re: Fwd: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

Basically what I’ve said for years. Almost nobody running on a mainframe is going to migrate to AWS.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, December 19, 2021, 8:10 AM, Mark Regan wrote: *http://mainframeupdate.blogspot.com/2021/12/which-is-better-mainframe-or-aws.html

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> Interestingly, as a Rexx fan, I tried people to move from JCL to Rexx Isn't that like convincing people to move from a hammer to a screwdriver? They have different purposes, and neither can do the job the other was created for. It is not at all unusual to have a batch job that, among other

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> On 19 Dec 2021, at 10:48, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> - of course Rexx on z/VM and z/OS can be seen as the interpreter version of >> PL/I > > The apparent similarity to PL/I is a pitfall for the unwary. As an example, > many have the erroneous belief that SIGNAL is the equivalent of GOTO,

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

+1 for Ren'e arguments. Remember that modernization is valuable but also introduces new security issues. I'll wait with Phytom until they'll have a compiler and complete set of libraries on the mainframe (or be part of LE...). ITschak ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information

Re: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

Did you ask him what a mail server was? That nomenclature goes back to the ARPA network. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

> - of course Rexx on z/VM and z/OS can be seen as the interpreter version of > PL/I The apparent similarity to PL/I is a pitfall for the unwary. As an example, many have the erroneous belief that SIGNAL is the equivalent of GOTO, and don't understand what happened when it blows up in their

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

Ha, I just thought about that. There are several things to say about that: - of course Rexx on z/VM and z/OS can be seen as the interpreter version of PL/I - I always found that PL/I received some shabby treatment, I like it more than COBOL for instance - its early advertising emphasised heavily

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 09:40:50 -0400, René Jansen wrote: >My impression is that this sudden ‘article’ is linked to this ‘modernise the >mainframe’ effort. ... > Is it still true that "PL/I is the only language you'll ever need!"? -- gil

Re: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:22:43 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >Am I the only one to remember when "server" referred to a virtual machine, not >necessarily running in the same location as the client? > I once had a co-worker, a VM partisan, who believed that so fervently that I needed to argue with

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

My impression is that this sudden ‘article’ is linked to this ‘modernise the mainframe’ effort. It is funny that you mention Yaml because of course that is one of the fashionable formats that will have their 14 days of fame - "what should the interface be ? “ GML, HTML, XML, JSON, and now YAML.

Re: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

Congratulation, you've discovered time sharing. Am I the only one to remember when "server" referred to a virtual machine, not necessarily running in the same location as the client? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Fwd: Which is better – the mainframe or AWS? | Mainframe Update by Trevor Eddolls

*http://mainframeupdate.blogspot.com/2021/12/which-is-better-mainframe-or-aws.html * *Regards,Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tgCTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991)Nationwide Insurance, Retired,