Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL)

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:53:55 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Some b0rken e-mail software makes proper quoting very difficult. Take m$ >lookout - please! > Yet some persist in using it. Worse, some employers requre it. > >From: Tony Harminc >Sent: Wednesday,

Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL)

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:49:42 -0500, Tony Harminc (t...@harminc.net) wrote about "Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL)" (in ): > On 14 November 2018 at 14:34, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> And, all, please trim the s

Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL)

PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL) On 14 November 2018 at 14:34, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > And, all, please trim the superfluous footers, disclaimers, etc. > (It's the malign consequence of

Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL)

On 14 November 2018 at 14:34, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > And, all, please trim the superfluous footers, disclaimers, etc. > (It's the malign consequence of top-posting.) Better yet, don't top-post! Selectively quote, insert your comments where they

Re: VM (Subject clip volume with JCL)

On 2018-11-14, at 10:14:07, Nai, Dean wrote: > You're welcome. But, please use a more informative Subject: in the future for the benefit of members searching the Archives. And, all, please trim the superfluous footers, disclaimers, etc. (It's the malign consequence of top-posting.) -- gil

Re: Computer History (Was: CLIP?)

I have found them to be extremely "picky". I had offered them some 3330 disks, (I had 40 of them and offered them all to them) and they told me that they only could use 1, and then complained because the one I sent had "stickers" on it. The "stickers" (there are 2 on each external drive case)

Computer History (Was: CLIP?)

Remember http://www.computerhistory.org/ -- Computer History Museum. They love artifacts, documentation, literature, memories: http://www.computerhistory.org/artifactdonation/ Date:Sun, 20 May 2018 03:39:44 -0500 From:Brian Westerman Subject: Re: CLIP? He originally had well thousands

Re: CLIP?

> On May 24, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 20:03:55 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: >> >> Our big boss was trying to show the board how he tried to save money. They >> sort of forced him into getting STC (now STK)

Re: Potter (was: CLIP?)

> On May 25, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, 25 May 2018 19:47:47 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: >> >> What we did use from potter was their printer. All the programmers seem to >> love it as the page size was 8 1/2 by 11. >>

Potter (was: CLIP?)

On Fri, 25 May 2018 19:47:47 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: > >What we did use from potter was their printer. All the programmers seem to >love it as the page size was 8 1/2 by 11. >I do not remember specifically anything wrong with it although I think it got >used heavily. It may have had more

Re: CLIP?

> On May 25, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Have you used Potter tape drives in that time frame? If not, I don't see any > reasonable argument that you could make. My mind is cloudy here so I can’t remember anything during that time frame. At the time the boss was

Re: CLIP?

IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: CLIP? > On May 25, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > STC

Re: CLIP?

> On May 25, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > STC drives were the reliable ones. Ever use Potter drives in the late 1970s > or in the 1980s? I will argue with you about the reliability of STC/STK drives. At the time we had a full time (actually a couple) of IBM

Re: CLIP?

;edgould1...@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: CLIP? > On May 24, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Dan D <zos.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Back in the 70's & 80's we had a program to "CLIP" a DASD volume to simply > change the

Re: CLIP?

We continued to use our home grown LABEL re-write program till ICKDSF came along. I think they still used ours as it was easier and change is a bitch. I seem to recall issues with IEHDASDR that screwed up on occasion. Yes, we wiped the volume best we could then SOLD them to a local LARGE

Re: CLIP?

Edward Gould wrote: Our big boss was trying to show the board how he tried to save money. They sort of forced him into getting STC (now STK) tape drives. All of a sudden some of our jobs were getting S237 (block count did not match trailers), STC said we had bum tapes, we went through all sort of

Re: CLIP?

On Thu, 24 May 2018 20:03:55 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: > >Our big boss was trying to show the board how he tried to save money. They >sort of forced him into getting STC (now STK) tape drives. All of a sudden >some of our jobs were getting S237 (block count did not match trailers), STC >said

Re: CLIP?

> On May 24, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Dan D <zos.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Back in the 70's & 80's we had a program to "CLIP" a DASD volume to simply > change the label (before ICKDSF was available) > I am stretching my memory but, I believe the precursor to ICKDSF

Re: CLIP?

Back in the 70's & 80's we had a program to "CLIP" a DASD volume to simply change the label (before ICKDSF was available). When a tape lead was crunched around the capstan we would simply splice in a NEW lead. As soon as that tape had completed being used for the current job we

Re: CLIP?

The reflective marker goes back at least as far as the 727 tape drive, but I never heard the word "clip" in that context. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.e

Re: CLIP?

mber there was a little tool to make a clean cut or "clip" of the > > half inch tape > > > > so that it could load cleanly on the tape drive. > > Then you had some JCL to put a new label on the tape. > I don’t go further back than the 360’s, but IIRC the

Re: CLIP?

On Mon, 21 May 2018 17:18:24 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: > >I don’t go further back than the 360’s, but IIRC the tape reals also needed a >reflector. I have never heard of a reflector being applied, anyone? > In:

Re: CLIP?

the tape and even less read the tape > label or the data after that. > I remember there was a little tool to make a clean cut or "clip" of the half > inch tape > > so that it could load cleanly on the tape drive. > Then you had some JCL to put a new label on the

Re: CLIP?

It's a rather old acronym, going back to a stand-alone program for the S/360. The original CLIP could only change the 6-character volser on a DASD volume; later versions could create a tape volume label. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: CLIP?

IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: CLIP? On Fri, 18 May 2018 22:15:54 -0400, zMan wrote: >I have to ask: "Change Label In Place&qu

Re: CLIP?

I seriously doubt that. Certainly I never heard the term in a computer context prior to the CLIP program of S/360. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on

Re: CLIP?

You could trim the tape leader without needing to relabel a tape (or lose data) as long as you didn't get too close to the shiny spot :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: CLIP?

cut or "clip" of the half inch tape so that it could load cleanly on the tape drive. Then you had some JCL to put a new label on the tape. -- I hope this helps! Michel Beaulieu IBM Services (Canada). |*| From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

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mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CLIP? I don't see that term in the IEHDASDR documentation found here: www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/.../GC28-6586-15_OS_Utilities_Rel_21.7_Apr73.pdf I would gu

Re: CLIP?

He originally had well thousands of boxes of cards but I had to get rid of several, mostly because they had deteriorated so much plus I had donated hundreds of boxes that made up (I think all of) cp/67 (which I think later became cp/370) to MIT and I gave away all of the 96 column cards

Re: CLIP?

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 3:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: CLIP? I checked the storage area of boxes (and boxes) of punched cards that my dad left me when he died. (He was an IBM PSR back in the 60's-70's), and sure enough

Re: CLIP?

on the 3rd card of the deck you can read *CLIP* That _has_ to be the last surviving card deck incarnation of that utility... Mike Shaw MVS/QuickRef Support Group Chicago-Soft, Ltd. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / arch

Re: CLIP?

On Sat, 19 May 2018 05:00:48 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >I checked the storage area of boxes (and boxes) of punched cards that my dad >left me when he died. ... > Just curious: How do you have those indexed? -- gil --

Re: CLIP?

, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 12:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CLIP? I got into this biz

Re: CLIP?

[Default] On 18 May 2018 19:14:32 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote: >I have to ask: "Change Label In Place" -- as opposed to what? Removing the >platter and sending it back to IBM to have the label changed? Is CLIP actually a backronym where

Re: CLIP?

I checked the storage area of boxes (and boxes) of punched cards that my dad left me when he died. (He was an IBM PSR back in the 60's-70's), and sure enough there is a deck (two of them) that clearly show "Chg Lbl Id Pgm" on the top and on the 3rd card of the deck you can read *CL

Re: CLIP?

On Fri, 18 May 2018 18:04:47 -0500, Dale R. Smith wrote: >On Fri, 18 May 2018 22:08:51 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > >>I used the term CLIP (reformat label) today with a colleague who clearly did >>not understand. Isn't it an acronym? I can't find any hits. >> >

Re: CLIP?

I got into this biz in the late 70s. The term CLIP was common parlance for 'label reformat'. I still have several canned JCL members with 'CLIP' in the member name. If nothing else, the term is unique, while 'reformat' could have any number of meanings. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern

Re: CLIP?

NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of graeme Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 4:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: CLIP? Change Label In Place A standard card deck utility in the softw

Re: CLIP?

On Fri, 18 May 2018 22:15:54 -0400, zMan wrote: >I have to ask: "Change Label In Place" -- as opposed to what? Removing the >platter and sending it back to IBM to have the label changed? > When I first heard it I assumed it referred to repairing a damaged magnetic tape by clipping off a couple

Re: CLIP?

Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of graeme > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 4:33 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: CLIP? > > Change Label In Place > A standard card deck utility in the software FE toolbag 50 years ago. > > G

Re: CLIP?

[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of graeme Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 4:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: CLIP? Change Label In Place A standard card deck utility in the software FE toolbag 50 years ago. Graeme > On 19 May 2018, at 08:08, Jesse 1 Robin

Re: CLIP?

Change Label In Place A standard card deck utility in the software FE toolbag 50 years ago. Graeme > On 19 May 2018, at 08:08, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> wrote: > > I used the term CLIP (reformat label) today with a colleague who clearly did > not

Re: CLIP?

-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dale R. Smith Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 4:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: CLIP? On Fri, 18 May

Re: CLIP?

On Fri, 18 May 2018 22:08:51 +, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> wrote: >I used the term CLIP (reformat label) today with a colleague who clearly did >not understand. Isn't it an acronym? I can't find any hits. > >. >. >J.O.Skip Robinson >Souther

Re: CLIP?

I've heard/used the term CLIP as long as I've been in this business even though it's not official technical terminology. I will happily go with Change Label In Place. Thanks! . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323

Re: CLIP?

I don't see that term in the IEHDASDR documentation found here: www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/.../GC28-6586-15_OS_Utilities_Rel_21.7_Apr73.pdf I would guess Change Label In Place Found an old proc on one of our systems: BROWSESYS1.PROCLIB(CLIP) - 01.11 Command

Re: CLIP?

Robinson, You probably may be quoting the VSE/VSAM User’s Guide and Application Programming commands CLIP LABEL=DISPLAY - Causes the volume serial number to be displayed on the system console. CLIP LABEL=SER=n..n - Causes the existing volume serial number to be changed to the one specified as n

Re: CLIP?

Took me a moment to remember what CLIP was, but I do not know if it stood for anything. Maybe: "Change Label in Perpetuity?" :) [It's Friday, lighten up!] Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology East Campus P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@u

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Like clipping a price tag off one piece of clothing and putting it on another piece of clothing. The VTOC has only the name changed. On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> wrote: > I used the term CLIP (reformat label) today with a colleague who cl

CLIP?

I used the term CLIP (reformat label) today with a colleague who clearly did not understand. Isn't it an acronym? I can't find any hits. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office