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, December 11, 2022 6:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Not true. The 3350 could run in 3330 compatibility mode and could be used with OS/360. Joe On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 3:45 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Yes, but not OS/

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f David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 3:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Computers > > Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, > I'm pretty sure that I ran IEHDASDR (OS/VS2 V3.8) to Back Up 3350s. > > Regards, >

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Yes, but not OS/360. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 3:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Hi R'Shmuel AMV&q

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frame Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 3:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, IIRC, IEHDASDR supported 3350. Regards, David On 2022-12-11 11:52, Seym

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M-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, IIRC, IEHDASDR supported 3350. Regards, David On 2022-12-11 11:52, Seymour J Metz wrote: > IEHDASDR was part of OS/360, OS/VS1 and OS/vs2, and continued to exist in MVS > for lo these many releases. However, Direct Ac

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53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers IEHDASDR was part of MVT (early '70s) DF/DSS came much later (maybe 10 years?) On 2022-12-09 13:12, Seymour J Metz wrote: I believe that DASDR and DF/DSS came later. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 1:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers IEHDASDR was part of MVT (early '70s) DF/DSS came much later (maybe 10 years?) On 2022-12-09 13:12, Seymour J

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Beaver [st...@stevebeaver.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 7:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers DSS. Data Set Services Sent from my iPhone No one said I could

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers DSS. Data Set Services Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Dec 6, 2022, at 06:21, Jay Maynard wrote: > > OK, this is a new one on me. What's DSS? > >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:09 AM Sey

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] on behalf of Jay Maynard [jaymayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 7:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers OK, this is a new one on me. What's DSS? On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > MVS/SE installed on an OS/VS2 base; for R1 it was

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n List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 8:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, You said: "...In each case a prerequisite SU killed DSS ..."

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...@harminc.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 9:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 07:30, Steve Beaver wrote: > DSS. Data Set Services > Presumably he doesn't mean *that* DSS. Dynamic Support System was an OS/VS standalone debugger that a

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On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 07:30, Steve Beaver wrote: > DSS. Data Set Services > Presumably he doesn't mean *that* DSS. Dynamic Support System was an OS/VS standalone debugger that allowed setting breakpoints, displaying storage, and so on, including in dodgy places like SVC routines and interrupt

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.EDU] on behalf of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw [032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers My recollection is that it didn't really become a viable alternative to SVS until MVS 3.7. Soon after was MVS 3

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DSS. Data Set Services Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Dec 6, 2022, at 06:21, Jay Maynard wrote: > > OK, this is a new one on me. What's DSS? > >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: >> >> MVS/SE installed on an OS/VS2 base; for R1 it

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OK, this is a new one on me. What's DSS? On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > MVS/SE installed on an OS/VS2 base; for R1 it was 3.7 with prerequisite > selectable units and for R2 it was 3.8 with prerequisite selectable units. > In each case a prerequisite SU killed DSS.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw [032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers My recollection is that it didn't really

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http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/OS_VS2/Release_3.0_1975/ Joe On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 5:42 AM David Spiegel < 0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi Leonard, > You said: "... That computer center had MVS 3.0 running in the mid > 1970s. ..." > Is "MVS 3.0" a typo? (I do

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Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: 02 December 2022 16:13 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Presumably OS/VS2 Release 3, the second release of MVS. The MVS releases of OS/VS2 ran from 2.0 to 3.8, with a bunch of optional selectable units ("By the pricking

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du/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 6:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers Hi Leonard, You said: "... That computer cen

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Hi Leonard, You said: "... That computer center had MVS 3.0 running in the mid 1970s. ..." Is "MVS 3.0" a typo? (I do not recall ever hearing of MVS 3.0.) Thanks and regards, David On 2022-12-02 02:15, Leonard D Woren wrote: Bill Hitefield wrote on 11/30/2022 10:39 AM: In college we had an

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Bill Hitefield wrote on 11/30/2022 10:39 AM: In college we had an IBM 1130 in the computer lab. Those of us working in the lab discovered an AM radio placed near the console switches made odd noises when you ran Fortran programs and set the radio to a specific "station". Further investigation

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I liked the video too! I started in this business 10 years after that video in a clerical position using punch interpreters and printers before becoming a computer operator. That was basically all the same equipment I was using in 1981 still. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden

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-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Computers I never knew each section of a computer had its own distinct sound. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DukyHECjKDoQdata=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Ce4b5d2ed5d9f4dde6eca08dad27f2209

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Are the ones we remember forever :) Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 Facebook LinkedIn Twitter “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom >

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LOL, I'm not convinced I won't think the very same thing, when I'm 500 years old, about some of the games and projects that hold my interest now. Personal growth goes on. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* It is a good sign in a nation when things are done badly. It

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computers In college we had an IBM 1130 in the computer lab. Those of us working in the lab discovered an AM radio placed near the console switches made odd noises when you ran Fortran programs and set the radio to a specific "station". Further investigation revealed

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ation 800.480.DINO www.dino-software.com > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Rupert Reynolds > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 1:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Computers > > Wow. > > Reminds me of t

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Wow. Reminds me of the times when some people spelled it "computor" instead of "computer" :-) Roops On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, 05:37 Phil Smith III, wrote: > Tom Brennan wrote: > >I never knew each section of a computer had its own distinct sound. > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukyHECjKDoQ > >

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I had all of them on mine while playing this video. Agreed with how great it is. On a funny timing note, today's version would just show a cloud :-) On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:38 AM Phil Smith III wrote: > Tom Brennan wrote: > >I never knew each section of a computer had its own distinct

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Tom Brennan wrote: >I never knew each section of a computer had its own distinct sound. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukyHECjKDoQ Tsk. You don't have those sounds on your PC? Srsly, this was great! A classic. I laughed, I cried. I give it ten stars.

Computers

I never knew each section of a computer had its own distinct sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukyHECjKDoQ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

I sent this privately to the OP at first, who liked it and suggested I re-send it to the entire group as the thread is already OT and others might like the story also. My father, 86 now, became fascinated with computers in the late 50's early 60's during his first career as a surveyor and map

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I agree, it's fascinating. But now I'm wondering whether part of its attraction to me is imagining myself in his position, being in demand for high-profile jobs (at twice the salary!). Don't get me wrong, I'm a geek and want to stay a geek; I have consciously avoided the management track,

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A simply fascinating read, Phil. Thanks for sharing it. DJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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Yes, I'm occasionally gratified or sometimes just amused by what I think of as a "trivial" programming project nowadays, one which would have left me completely at sea back in my student days. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* If God is sovereign, then he is in control

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Bob Bridges wrote, in part: >Speaking as a computer geek with no talent whatever for the visual arts, I'm >curious: Why in the world would artsy folks back then (or even now) want a Computing Office? What did he do with it? Ah, you're confused. "Arts" is aka "liberal arts", generally

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 15:37, Phil Smith III wrote: > > Yes to the editing! Indeed. Smells like a self-published book that badly needed an editor -- even just a proofreader or spellchecker. > The Xerox I learned PL/C on was a Xerox 530, a midrange that my dad bought > for the nascent Arts

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Yep. Been hearing a lot from IBM people a few from the seven dwarfs then the bunch, not much from those who tried to get in but never had the chance. Very interesting point of view. Later you hear from Microsoft People and some Linux people and other systems. On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 7:06 PM

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Umm -- Have you heard of CGI? Or Noam Chomsky? Back in the days discussed by Phil CGI as such did not yet exist of course (the hardware was much too primitive), but I don't think anyone can deny that computers provide serious tools for art of many kinds, both linguistic and visual. Chomsky's

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Speaking as a computer geek with no talent whatever for the visual arts, I'm curious: Why in the world would artsy folks back then (or even now) want a Computing Office? What did he do with it? And yes to Beowulf! I read it as a child and adored it; I still have vivid mental images of

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Yeah, I didn't want to be too picky but it was badly written on several levels. Still fascinating, though. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* In the end time, lambs will lie down with lions. Even then I will want to be a lion, I think. -attributed to David

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ng for Arts Students, who were a LOT better-looking than their Math and CS compatriots. -Original Message- From: Mike Cairns Sent: Friday, April 15, 2022 3:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU; Phil Smith III Subject: Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted" That's a brilliant read

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That's a brilliant read, thanks for posting. Amazing to see the perspective of an early CIO in action considering the S360 offerings against their competitors as things looked to them at the time. And also a brilliant exposition of what really happened at Xerox from someone with a seat at the

Re: "The Computers Nobody Wanted"

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >For me, it was broken on the UA LISTSERV website and in >Mac Mail.app. The raw source shows: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >... > > http://worrydream.com/refs/Strassmann%20-%20The%20Computers%20Nobody%20Wante

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:16:56 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >? My link worked fine as sent, both at my end and in Gmail. Gil, your client >seems to be breaking QPed lines?! > For me, it was broken on the UA LISTSERV website and in Mac Mail.app. The raw source shows: Content-Type: text/plain;

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? My link worked fine as sent, both at my end and in Gmail. Gil, your client seems to be breaking QPed lines?! Anyway, yours works too! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 16:59:46 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >http://worrydream.com/refs/Strassmann%20-%20The%20Computers%20Nobody%20Wante >d.pdf > ITYM . -- gil

"The Computers Nobody Wanted"

http://worrydream.com/refs/Strassmann%20-%20The%20Computers%20Nobody%20Wante d.pdf This is sort of interesting, starting at bottom of PDF page 10, "The IBM 360 Promises". A different view on the 360 from the one we grew up with; reality is presumably somewhere in the middle. (And how did I

Re: The ancient computers in the Boeing 737 Max are holding up a fix

Nightwatch my father had a phrase , “buy cheap get cheap” On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:49 AM Nightwatch RenBand < johnmattson...@gmail.com> wrote: > Quick, Cheap, Good > You may have any TWO... but almost never all three. > > -- >

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Quick, Cheap, Good You may have any TWO... but almost never all three. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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: The ancient computers in the Boeing 737 Max are holding up a fix Not an IBM mainframe this time. https://secure-web.cisco.com/155tdr-tzfwwW43Kkk4e8TtwmsrHe_L5ngDKCsa1vYip1u7ED-wHfm4Km99TEIOLy3de2euOaSuS1mAC48J_mxRNrB7PRY5ikkb6V8TTfcNErBVi7FWuJ8mNZs2vst9szPkuq1-jWZxR864pHKemcAd2E-Kk-0xny1JpT1kR03Aop4vs

The ancient computers in the Boeing 737 Max are holding up a fix

Not an IBM mainframe this time. https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/9/21197162/boeing-737-max-software-hardware-computer-fcc-crash The perils of fixing a hardware problem with software (lotsa ads) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: Hackers stole NASA data with a $35 computers

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 09:31:15 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >With all these recent loong discussions about 'security', 'hacking', >'pen-tests', 'clueless managament', etc. this is interesting: > >Ok, that is old news to you especially these security gurus, hackers stole >from NASA some

Hackers stole NASA data with a $35 computers

With all these recent loong discussions about 'security', 'hacking', 'pen-tests', 'clueless managament', etc. this is interesting: Ok, that is old news to you especially these security gurus, hackers stole from NASA some 500 MB data using a Rasberry PI since April 2018. Scary part - it was

Re: Non-IBM computers using EBCDIC was Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

of Edward Finnell <000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 6:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Non-IBM computers using EBCDIC was Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK We had an 1108 and an 1100 as "scientif

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We had an 1108 and an 1100 as "scientific machines". They were 36 bit words and did the 8 in 9 for EBCDIC and ASCII. I got pretty good with their FORTRAN and the advent of Data Space early on(mid 70's). I think the 7090's had an EBCDIC option for tapes, but it had an extra bit somewhere and we

Non-IBM computers using EBCDIC was Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

[Default] On 20 Nov 2018 10:26:36 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main li...@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) wrote: >The whole ASCII-EBCDIC thing certainly has been a huge cost—probably, as Gil >suggests, as large as the other two combined. But I’d argue that it wasn’t >necessarily either EBCDIC or

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

gee, I,ve worked at both places. When IRS 6 years ago running C++ and COBOL on the mainframe. From: Clark Morris <cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 9:05 PM Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers [Default] On

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

[Default] On 18 Apr 2018 02:53:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 0102cb4997b0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Larre Shiller) wrote: >On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:19:07 -0700, Ed Jaffe >wrote: > >>On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >>> >>> I can’t speak to the

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

--Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 10:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On 20/04/2018 4:54 AM, Mike Hochee wrote: > I have ye

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Computers On 4/18/18 1:50 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow TPF has had C/C++ since 1997. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

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t > to keep the workload on zTPF. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Eric Chevalier > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs

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Chevalier Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On 4/18/18 1:50 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: > IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you > use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow TPF has had C/C++

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

On 4/18/18 1:50 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow TPF has had C/C++ since 1997. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

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at > started on IBM 70xx machines: American, Delta, and PanAm. (Were there any > others?) All three switched over to System/360 and successor machines > fairly quickly. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2018c.html#57 The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers in the ACP/TPF timeframe, non-airlines

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Steve Beaver wrote: >IBM ALCS became zTFP. I don't think so. My understanding, from Wikipedia primarily, is that the ALCS and z/TPF family tree started with a common root ancestor in the SABRE project for American Airlines. SABRE entered initial pilot service in 1960 on IBM 7090 machines. Then

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

I certainly know SARS is having a mixture of different computers: mainframes, midrange computers of various flavours including Linux and PCs/Laptops with different operating systems. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- F

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers > code, written in assembler, that may be 60 years old That would be 1958; at best a 7070, possibly something older. There's no 7070 emulator on modern hardware and a lot of IRS code was written for TPF, which didn't exist in 1

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

tz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Joel C. Ewing <jcew...@acm.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers I read the ref

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Know thy data. Was on a code review of a particularly long running job that was doing a COBOL sort break on totals. It was millions of records but there were only three different record types. So we did a hash and sum. Reduced the run time from over 4 hrs to 14 minutes.  In a message dated

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Frank Swarbrick < frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> wrote: > I dare say it probably makes more sense to use COBOL over Java to "add up > a column of numbers".  > > ​If you want to "add up a column of numbers", I suggest APL "sum←+/column​" -- We all have skeletons

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

t: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:19:07 -0700, Ed Jaffe <edja...@phoenixsoftware.com> wrote: >On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >> >> I can’t speak to the IRS b

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

e haven't installed a line of their code yet. > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM > From: "Joel C. Ewing" <jcew...@acm.org> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers > > I read the referenced article.   The title w

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

of Syncsort. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Be careful what you ask for I think

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

Be careful what you ask for I think that Healthcare.gov used "new computers" :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

Hey Shane, long time no see. Welcome Back! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane G Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On Wed, 18

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 04:54:58 -0500, Larre Shiller wrote: >>Gee, thanks Ed...! It's certainly not easy managing 150,000MIPS of WebShpere >>on Z, let alone the 150,000 GP MIPS of "everything else". Funny the things that catch your (my) eye - was cruising and noticed this

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:19:07 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >> >> I can’t speak to the IRS but the Social Security system (last I heard) was >> *WAY* out of date by at least 20 years (maybe more). Can anyone verify (or >> not),

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

7, 2018 12:34 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers >> >> Mostly historical: >> >> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fview%2Farticles%2F2018-04-17%

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On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: I can’t speak to the IRS but the Social Security system (last I heard) was *WAY* out of date by at least 20 years (maybe more). Can anyone verify (or not), please? SSA runs one of the most sophisticated data centers of any government agency I've

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Allan Staller wrote: > > The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 > years I am aware of. > It keeps getting shot down by Congress in the appropriations process. > > The opposite of PROGRESS is CON……

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Since I was actually in the IRS data center a few months ago, the idea of 30 year old technology is absurd. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ed Jaffe <edja...@phoenixsoftware.com&

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

Since I was actually in the IRS data center a few months ago, the idea of 30 year old technology is absurd. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: > >> On 4/17/2018 11:09 AM, Allan Staller wrote: >> The IRS has been trying to upgrade

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

On 4/17/2018 11:09 AM, Allan Staller wrote: The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 years I am aware of. It keeps getting shot down by Congress in the appropriations process. The IRS folks that attend SHARE from time-to-time (from Virginia?) seem to be

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

The solution is to simplify the tax code - thus - and you don't need computers https://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/wizardofid/s-2068368 -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer – RavenTek Solut

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

Just the environmentals from bipolar to CMOS was a huge incentive. Unfortunately made more room for squatty boxen. In a message dated 4/17/2018 1:56:59 PM Central Standard Time, cvitu...@hughes.net writes:   somewhat to get up to speed with hardware and software that was compliant.  

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

and software that was compliant.   Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Chris Hoelscher" <choelsc...@humana.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:04:23 PM Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Wow - that old hardware

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

li...@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) writes: > "Plans to replace the IMF with a twenty-first-century equivalent known as > CADE (Customer Account Data Engine) have faltered. The transition is now > well behind schedule. As a consequence, the likelihood of a catastrophic > computer failure during tax

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

Computers Nonsense, the IRS is running Z/13's , etc. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Allan Staller <allan.stal...@hcl.com> wrote: > > The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 years I am aware of. > It keeps getting sho

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

"Plans to replace the IMF with a twenty-first-century equivalent known as CADE (Customer Account Data Engine) have faltered. The transition is now well behind schedule. As a consequence, the likelihood of a catastrophic computer failure during tax season increases with every passing year. That may

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

AIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers > > Mostly historical: > > https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fview%2Farticles%2F2018-04-17%2Fthe-irs-computer-system-is-the-oldest-in-the-government=02%7C01%

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Mostly historical: https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fview%2Farticles%2F2018-04-17

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Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers More hysterical than historical; the IRS stopped running on a 7070 a long time ago

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List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Mostly historical: https://secure-w

The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

Mostly historical: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-17/the-irs-computer-system-is-the-oldest-in-the-government -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Special characters in passwords from non-US computers (Italy)

Thanks to everyone, First let me say ECBDIC was not a consideration, since if I ever had to access my home mainframe from overseas it would most likely be with my own laptop with security of my choice, not what a hotel or cyber cafe provides. But using the solution I think I have found a local

Re: Special characters in passwords from non-US computers (Italy)

This is just some wild guessing and assumptions: In Windows there's a Language option in the Control Panel where you can specify Italy and many other places I've never been to. I just did that and the top row on my keyboard comes out like this when I hold the shift key: EN English:

Re: Special characters in passwords from non-US computers (Italy)

On Mon, 16 May 2016 22:11:32 -0300, Clark Morris wrote: >[Default] On 16 May 2016 14:33:18 (John Mattson) wrote: > >>I... On a trip it Italy, I attempted to login to some >>websites ... > >The @ sign,# sign and $ sign are problematic within EBCDIC since they >are nationals and vary by

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