Re: [IBM External] Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-24 Thread Martin Packer
"a fully configured parallel sysplex" - in the sense you meant it - is something I see less often than I'd like. :-( As a Performance guy, often the conversations I have with customers - based on their data - have a big dollop of Resilience in them. There are those that have embraced "a fully c

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Skip Robinson
If you have a fully configured parallel sysplex, disruption to clients should be minimal. On balance, less disruption than a system crash caused by downlevel maintenance. On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 9:33 PM Brian Westerman < brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > One of the things that you "lose" wh

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Brian Westerman
One of the things that you "lose" when only IPLing once or twice per year is the ability to install maintenance on a more frequent basis, at least anything but individual fixes. To try to install an RSU upgrade without an IPL will be very foolish. As we previously stated by me and others, your

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
du/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR'

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Martin Packer
Subject: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency Sent by:"IBM Mainframe Discussion List" If Brian's sites only IPL once a year or less frequently, how are fixes to LPA modules applied? other fixes requiring an IPL? I was impressed with maintenance

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-22 Thread Clark Morris
If Brian's sites only IPL once a year or less frequently, how are fixes to LPA modules applied? other fixes requiring an IPL? I was impressed with maintenance on the Tandem system (now HPE non-stop) where maintenance was just a simple operator procedure. Clark Morris

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
Matthew Stitt [mathwst...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency I would use 24X365. Of course that does not take into account the Leap Year day. 24X7X52 is more correct. Matthew On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:5

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-17 Thread Matthew Stitt
half Of >> Mike Schwab >> Sent: 15 September 2021 17:59 >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency >> >> Mainframes have been powered up 24*7*365 for their lifetime (a decade >> + in some cases) since the 1960s. Just the oc

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-17 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: 15 September 2021 17:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency Mainframes have been powered up 24*7*365 for their lifetime (a decade + in some cases) since the 1960s. Just the occasional off / on cycle if required. On W

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Bruce Hewson
hi, 150+ LPARS - Maintenance related IPLs probably once a year (sometimes out to 18 months between IPLs on some LPARs). IPLs are a scarce event. PORs only occur when the actual boxes get upgraded to latest zSeries box. Regards Bruce

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Bill Johnson
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Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Colin Paice
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Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
24x7x365 is actually 7 years. 😊. Lennie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: 15 September 2021 17:59 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency Mainframes have been powered up 24*7*365 for their lifetime

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Mike Schwab
; > From: "Radoslaw Skorupka" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 15/09/2021 09:35 > Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: IPL's POR's frequency > Sent by:"IBM Mainframe Discussion List" > > > > My €0.02 > > IPL - never s

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Martin Packer
w Skorupka" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 15/09/2021 09:35 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IPL's POR's frequency Sent by:"IBM Mainframe Discussion List" My €0.02 IPL - never scheduled. Only when needed. Typical scenarios: 1. Configuration error, which need

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-15 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
My €0.02 IPL - never scheduled. Only when needed. Typical scenarios: 1. Configuration error, which need IPL (very rare, fortunately) 2. Hardware or software changes require IPL (maybe once a year, but IMHO less) 3. OPPORTUNITY.  Yes - there are several disruptive application software releases p

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Brian Westerman
All of the sites we manage have 2 "possible" times when we "can" IPL a year, we typically don't use them unless we are changing something that can't be done another way. We POR only when necessary. On average, we will ACTUALLY IPL once a year or less, some sites are once every 2 years. In t

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Mike Schwab
cCabe, Ron > > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:03 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency > > > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > attachments.] > > > > We IPL twice a

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Martin Packer
RICHARD W. wrote on 9/14/21 1:06 PM: >> General reply, the last time the backup generator ran out of fuel! Don't laugh, it happens. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McCabe, Ron >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:03 PM

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Tony Thigpen
A.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] We IPL twice a year ... POR when needed and I cannot remember the last time we needed a POR. Thanks, Ron McCabe Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems Mut

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Mike Schwab
gh, it happens. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > McCabe, Ron > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:03 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency > > [External Email. Exercise caution when click

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
General reply, the last time the backup generator ran out of fuel! Don't laugh, it happens. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McCabe, Ron Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR&#

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread McCabe, Ron
:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IPL's POR's frequency CAUTION: This email is from an external address. Please be careful of links and attachments. IPL once a quarter. PORs when IBM requires. On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:30 AM Joe <020d5fbe36e0-dmarc-requ...@li

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Martin Packer
e Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: "Mike Schwab" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 14/09/2021 15:26 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: IPL's POR's frequency Sent by:"IBM Mainframe Discussion List" IPL once a quarte

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Mike Schwab
IPL once a quarter. PORs when IBM requires. On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:30 AM Joe <020d5fbe36e0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Just curious about how often folks here IPL their systems as a scheduled > event , once a month, once a quarter, once a year? > and same question for POR's

Re: IPL's POR's frequency [EXTERNAL]

2021-09-14 Thread Michael Babcock
R other then when installing a new CEC. All my IOGEN work is dynamic. > > > Thanks.. > > Paul Feller > GTS Mainframe Technical Support > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Joe > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:30 AM >

Re: IPL's POR's frequency [EXTERNAL]

2021-09-14 Thread Feller, Paul
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 7:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IPL's POR's frequency [EXTERNAL] Just curious about how often folks here IPL their systems as a scheduled event , once a month, once a quarter, once a year? and same question for POR's. I understand ther

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Bill Johnson
Ours are rarely scheduled. Some LPARs have been running for over a year without, others many months.MIT, is a top 5 college in the US.Biden won, fair & square. Get over it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 8:29 AM, Joe <020d5fbe36e0-dmarc-requ...@listse

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Allan Staller
Subject: IPL's POR's frequency [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Just curious about how often folk

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Pesce, Andy
, 2021 7:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IPL's POR's frequency Just curious about how often folks here IPL their systems as a scheduled event , once a month, once a quarter, once a year? and same question for POR's. I understand there are times when you HAVE to have uns

Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Dave Jousma
>Just curious about how often folks here IPL their systems as a scheduled event >, once a month, once a quarter, once a year? >and same question for POR's. >I understand there are times when you HAVE to have unscheduled or hot fix >IPL's, I'm just asking in general terms. We have 2 maintenance

IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-14 Thread Joe
Just curious about how often folks here IPL their systems as a scheduled event , once a month, once a quarter, once a year? and same question for POR's. I understand there are times when you HAVE to have unscheduled or hot fix IPL's, I'm just asking in general terms. ---