Re: APPN networking question - Identifying transient users.

2024-06-10 Thread Tom Longfellow
Thanks for the suggestions of using the session establishment exits from the old SSCP networking days. I think the hurdles are too advanced for me. While I could possibly get a working exit, I also have concerns about how those exits work in the "new" APPN world. (New = over 30 years) My

Re: APPN networking question - Identifying transient users.

2024-06-10 Thread Tom Longfellow
The CDRSCS display are good for showing you session that are active between the host you are on and host sessions to and from other systems. I cannot find a way to dispaly the 'back chatter" between the other systems that have used me as a conduit.

Re: APPN networking question - Identifying transient users.

2024-06-06 Thread Attila Fogarasi
D NET,CDRSCS doesn't show what you want with appropriate operands? On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:25 AM Tom Longfellow < 03e29b607131-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I have tried to ask this question before but have found it difficult to > put into words. > > Pictur

Re: APPN networking question - Identifying transient users.

2024-06-06 Thread Michael Stein
On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 10:25:21AM -0500, Tom Longfellow wrote: > I have tried to ask this question before but have found it difficult > to put into words. > > Picture three mainframes A, B, and C. > There are terminals owned by A that communicate with applications on C. >

APPN networking question - Identifying transient users.

2024-06-06 Thread Tom Longfellow
I have tried to ask this question before but have found it difficult to put into words. Picture three mainframes A, B, and C. There are terminals owned by A that communicate with applications on C. There is no direct APPN link from A to C. B has links to A and C.The sessions from A find C

Re: DSNTEP2 question

2024-06-05 Thread
Sorry for the spamming. I'm dabbling with the interface to IBM-MAIN - not successfully... Being in a hurry is not recommended.. (In my defense I'm getting many requests from many people at my client and try to reply quickly...) Best Regards, Thomas Berg

DSNTEP2 question

2024-06-05 Thread
I haven't found an appropiate discussionlist for my question (I have been out of the loop 8 years) so I post it here (Sorry! Please redirect me if you can.) I'm running DSNTEP2 in batch and using a JCL and command I used before (I think...) and getting an error message I can't understand

Re: VTS question

2024-05-14 Thread Nigel Morton
IBM has (had?) a TS7770 marketing bundle for small configurations. The name tripping off the tongue, it's called the High Performance Tape/Cloud Controller and is a bundle of a TS7770, two FICON ports, 60TB of SSD cache and some other features. So, it's tapeless which solves the need for a TS3500

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VTS question

2024-05-14 Thread Pommier, Rex
information. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Radoslaw Skorupka Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: VTS question Virtual tapes for mainframe: IBM Visara Dell DLm 2500, 8500 (the largest IBM competitor

Re: VTS question

2024-05-10 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Virtual tapes for mainframe: IBM Visara Dell DLm 2500, 8500 (the largest IBM competitor) Interkom (AFAIK Luminex) Luminex MVT Model9 ATSM zAppliance Optica z/VT Fujitsu Eternus Hitachi (no details available) Universal Software VTA (AFAIK ESCON only) Secure agent SDS CA VTape Support for external

Re: VTS question

2024-05-10 Thread John Sawyer
Hello Rex, SecureAgent has a VTL that supports tape libraries. We have done many migrations using a Host-free method from environments like you describe. You can reach out to me at your convenience if you'd like more info. - John John Sawyer SecureAgent Software M. 918.691.9000

Re: VTS question

2024-05-10 Thread John Sawyer
om: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Pommier, Rex > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 3:44 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: VTS question > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the > sender, Don’t click links or open attachm

Re: VTS question

2024-05-10 Thread Ken Bloom
24 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: VTS question [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Hello list,

Re: VTS question

2024-05-10 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential Luminex VTS is worth a look -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: VTS question [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization

Re: VTS question

2024-05-10 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
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Re: VTS question

2024-05-09 Thread kekronbekron
Hi Paul, Is there a more friendlier name for this - "Advanced TS Migrations VTS built on Dell power edge servers … 3480, 3490, and 3590 support"? OP, in addition to Luminex, you can consider - Optica zVT BMC Model9 (called AMI Ops something these days) Visara I don't believe there's a small

Re: VTS question

2024-05-09 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
Yes … Advanced TS Migrations VTS built on Dell power edge servers … 3480, 3490, and 3590 support. AES256 and zSTD compressed images and smart support for replication up to 8 locations, as well as scratch retention for any duration site chooses.

VTS question

2024-05-09 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hello list, We currently have a very small TS7760 grid, one frame at our primary site replicating to a secondary frame at out alternate site. The alternate site is a TS7760T with an old single frame TS3584 with 5 3592-E08 drives hanging off the back of it. We just found out the 3584 is out

Re: SYNCSORT question - how to specify different sorting parameters for JOIN input files F1/F2

2024-05-07 Thread Massimo Biancucci
9:18 Farley, Peter < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> ha scritto: > This is a question specific to the SYNCSORT product, not a general SORT > question. > > I do not have access to question the Syncsort support team, and I cannot > see from the latest programmer's guide for t

Re: SYNCSORT question - how to specify different sorting parameters for JOIN input files F1/F2

2024-05-06 Thread Schmitt, Michael
n it comes to sort products, just because it isn't documented doesn't mean it won't work. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Farley, Peter Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 12:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SYNCSORT question - how to specify differe

SYNCSORT question - how to specify different sorting parameters for JOIN input files F1/F2

2024-05-06 Thread Farley, Peter
This is a question specific to the SYNCSORT product, not a general SORT question. I do not have access to question the Syncsort support team, and I cannot see from the latest programmer's guide for the product (Syncsort MFX Programmer's Guide, Version 3.1) what the answer to this question

Re: JES2 Question - releasing AND requeuing HELD sysout

2024-04-25 Thread Michael Babcock
Manually change one and see what command gets generated in Syslog. On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 1:52 PM Karl S Huf wrote: > I really thought this would have been more straightforward, and perhaps it > is and I'm just not seeing it. > > I have groups of jobs that are sent to a held output class (T)

JES2 Question - releasing AND requeuing HELD sysout

2024-04-25 Thread Karl S Huf
I really thought this would have been more straightforward, and perhaps it is and I'm just not seeing it. I have groups of jobs that are sent to a held output class (T) that periodically need to be released and requeued to a different output class (7). So if my jobs all start with ABC I know I

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
digits and scientific notation question On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 14:01:23 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >delete foo >rather than >'DELETE' foo >is a simple example. In practise I often need multiple upper case constants in >a single expression. This isn't a valid example because 'de

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On 23/04/2024 12:01 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: > delete foo > > rather than > > 'DELETE' foo > > is a simple example. In practise I often need multiple

Re: Commands via Rexx (Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-23 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, at 11:25, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: > The nice thing is that Rexx allows different variants of string > concatenations and one is free to use what seems to be the > "easiest", the "safest". Personally I use blank concatenations > by default and abuttal or || only if there

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-23 Thread Eric Rossman
0 seconds and completed 41597318 iterations. Eric Rossman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and sc

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:07:05 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >You lost me when you say that rather than embrace the conventions, standards, >and features of the language I'm coding in (REXX), I should restrict it to the >limitations of other languages. > Did I say that? I was trying to take a

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-23 Thread Schmitt, Michael
WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:59:47 +1000, Andrew Rowley wrote: >... >To me, it is much clearer to be explicit, including the concatenation, e.g. >"DELETE " || foo >seems much clearer about exactly what is hap

Commands via Rexx (Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-23 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 23.04.2024 05:03, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 23/04/2024 11:55 am, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:59:47 +1000, Andrew Rowley  wrote:     ... To me, it is much clearer to be explicit, including the concatenation, e.g. "DELETE " || foo That overkill is apt to confuse a POSIX shell

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 23/04/2024 11:55 am, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:59:47 +1000, Andrew Rowley wrote: ... To me, it is much clearer to be explicit, including the concatenation, e.g. "DELETE " || foo That overkill is apt to confuse a POSIX shell partisan who would see the blank as part of

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:59:47 +1000, Andrew Rowley wrote: >... >To me, it is much clearer to be explicit, including the concatenation, e.g. >"DELETE " || foo >seems much clearer about exactly what is happening/expected, which are >variables and which are (expected to be) constant etc. > That

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 23/04/2024 12:01 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: delete foo rather than 'DELETE' foo is a simple example. In practise I often need multiple upper case constants in a single expression. In this example, delete *looks like* an instruction rather than a variable - the fact that it is a variable

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Jon Perryman
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 14:01:23 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >delete foo >rather than >'DELETE' foo >is a simple example. In practise I often need multiple upper case constants in >a single expression. This isn't a valid example because 'delete' will also work. As Andrew said, rarely will you

Re: DFSort Report question

2024-04-22 Thread Sri Hari Kolusu
>> What I would like to do is change LEGACY/KDFAES to PASSPHRASE if possible. Lionel, You just want to change the ON value and not the header. Assuming you have a COPY/SORT step to filter the data, you can change the values there. I am showing for position 21, but you can change to that 616

Re: DFSort Report question

2024-04-22 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Behalf Of Sri Hari Kolusu Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 2:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFSort Report question >> The ON value could be "LEGACY", "KDFAES", "PASSWORD" or "NOPHRASE". Lionel, How do you determine which header value need

Re: DFSort Report question

2024-04-22 Thread Sri Hari Kolusu
>> The ON value could be "LEGACY", "KDFAES", "PASSWORD" or "NOPHRASE". Lionel, How do you determine which header value need to be used? I am guessing that it is going to depend on a value in the file. If So we can dynamically change it. Thanks, Kolusu DFSORT Development IBM Corporation

DFSort Report question - SYMNAMES DD ?

2024-04-22 Thread Nash, Jonathan S.
Can you set up a constant in the SYMNAMES DD to do that ? Or is that for different functions ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lionel B. Dyck Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 2:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: DFSort Report question Does

DFSort Report question

2024-04-22 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Does anyone know who to change the value found in the ON to a more meaningful value: For example this: HEADER('PassPhrase') ON(616,10,CH) The ON value could be "LEGACY", "KDFAES", "PASSWORD" or "NOPHRASE". Thanks in advance Lionel B. Dyck <>< Github: https://github.com/lbdyck System Z

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Monday, April 22, 2024 1:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:41:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I was referring to 'I once found CMS ISPF to reauire "address isredit

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Jon Perryman
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:41:21 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I was referring to 'I once found CMS ISPF to reauire "address isredit 'isredit >'". >Otherwise the command went to ISPEXEC.', which clearly is b0rk3n. This seems very unlikely given that IBM does good QA and this would have caused a

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Andrew Rowley Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 10:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On 22/04/2024 10:09 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: > It shortens expressi

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 22/04/2024 10:09 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: It shortens expressions, upper cases automatically and, IMHO, is more readable. Was that a reply about the usefulness of the default value being the variable name, uppercase? If so, I still don't see it. Can you give an example of how you would

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
gt; Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 8:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:02:56 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Unclean! Did you report it as a bug? > I suspect it's WAD (BAD!) o LEAV

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 23:02:56 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Unclean! Did you report it as a bug? > I suspect it's WAD (BAD!) o LEAVE as the target of an assignment is a variable name. o Otherwise, LEAVE as the first token of an instruction is a keywod (LEAVE NAME) o Otherwise, LEAVE is a symbol

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 7:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On 22/04/2024 1:19 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: > 2. There is a decades-long argument about NOVALUE. I am in the c

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 22/04/2024 1:19 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: 2. There is a decades-long argument about NOVALUE. I am in the camp that believes the default behavior to be too useful to give up; others believe that it is dangerous. Genuine curiosity: what is the use of the default behaviour? I have

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
equ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:19:40 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >A few comments. > > 1. It's best to avoid

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are languages with a covention that method names end in ain a question mark iff they are Boolean. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:19:40 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >A few comments. > > 1. It's best to avoid names that a,e, or are similar to, keywords. > Astonishment factor with such as "LEAVE = 'date'; LEAVE". No Rexx syntax error, but unexpected result. > 2. There is a decades-long argument about

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rony G. Flatscher Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 1:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On 20.04.2024 17:40, Paul Gilmartin wrote

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
on behalf of Bruce Hewson <0499d3d5e892-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 12:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question Hello Bob, I use "cnt" for my loop cou

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-21 Thread Robin Vowels
On 2024-04-21 15:38, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:58:18 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: I use "cnt" for my loop counters. I stopped using FORTRAN style single character variable names when I started coding in REXX. I thought FORTRAN allowed six. It did. Now it allows many

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:58:18 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: > >I use "cnt" for my loop counters. I stopped using FORTRAN style single >character variable names when I started coding in REXX. > I thought FORTRAN allowed six. (Be careful how you pronounce that!) -- gil

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Bob, I use "cnt" for my loop counters. I stopped using FORTRAN style single character variable names when I started coding in REXX. Except I do use them on occasion for building large stem variable lists. example:- i=i+1;jcl.i="//BRUCESMP JOB (1234546),'Bruce SMP jobn',"

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Bob Bridges
Well, they may not be reserved, if you say so. But I think I'd be a fool to try using "is", "if" or "in" as a loop counter, certainly for the sake of the programmer who inherits my work but I'm sure it would confuse me too. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* When a

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Bob Bridges
I've inherited a REXX app from a departed coworker who uses (for example) 'complete?' as a Boolean variable name, where in REXX I would use 'fcomplete' for the same purpose ('f' for "flag"). I see the sense of the question mark, but I've been coding too many decades; I can't F

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Bob Bridges
Ooh, I'm sure I've read that I can do that but I forgot. I like that - think I'll start doing it myself. Normally I'm rabid about indentation, but occasionally in a longer program I lose track of something and have to spend a of time searching for where I left out an End. --- Bob Bridges,

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:50:56 +0200, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: >... >There are *no* reserved words in Rexx like in many other languages. (This >alleviates one to have to >learn them by heart. But more importantly, should the language get additional >keywords over time > I disagree. Although

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 20.04.2024 19:52, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:17:36 +, Robert Prins wrote: Try the two characters that are pretty much unique to REXX, "!" and "?" especially for small local loops. Ugh! But I confess I've done likewise at times. I tried to refresh my memory and

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:17:36 +, Robert Prins wrote: >Try the two characters that are pretty much unique to REXX, "!" and "?" >especially for small local loops. > Ugh! But I confess I've done likewise at times. I tried to refresh my memory and observed that the Rexx Ref., SA32-0972-60, is

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 20.04.2024 17:40, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:08:03 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: It was while I was coding in REXX that I tried abutting a variable named 'x' with another string, and couldn't figure out why the program behaved as it did. Eventually figured out I had

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Robert Prins
Try the two characters that are pretty much unique to REXX, "!" and "?" especially for small local loops. Robert -- Robert AH Prins robert(a)prino(d)org The hitchhiking grandfather Some REXX code for use on z/OS

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:08:03 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >It was while I was coding in REXX that I tried abutting a variable named 'x' >with another string, and couldn't figure out why the program behaved as it >did. Eventually figured out I had inadvertently created a hex constant. >Maybe as

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-20 Thread Bob Bridges
It was while I was coding in REXX that I tried abutting a variable named 'x' with another string, and couldn't figure out why the program behaved as it did. Eventually figured out I had inadvertently created a hex constant. Maybe as an overreaction, I have never since used one-character

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 20/04/2024 12:41 am, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: It is an attempt to apply dynamic typing to reduce the need to write the explicit type. This service gets carried out by the compiler. In true dynamically typed languages you can reuse variables like "start" or "tmp" to refer to values of

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 20/04/2024 1:42 am, Jay Maynard wrote: Agreed Java is simply far too complex a language and ecosystem to hold in the mind. Python is as ubiquitous and much easier to deal with. Really? What do you NEED to learn for Java that you don't need to learn for other languages? public static void

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Bob Bridges
Oh, I dunno. Generalizations aren't invalid as long as you don't mistake them for blanket stereotypes, and generalizations are the only possible way to describe general groups. I see no cause for offense here. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Be kind whenever

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
of David Crayford <0595a051454b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 11:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question I’m not sure I would use Java as a REXX alternative now we h

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Jay Maynard
Agreed Java is simply far too complex a language and ecosystem to hold in the mind. Python is as ubiquitous and much easier to deal with. On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:25 AM David Crayford < 0595a051454b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’m not sure I would use Java as a REXX alternative

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread David Crayford
I’m not sure I would use Java as a REXX alternative now we have Python. REXX is very much legacy now. The old timers love it because it’s all they know but push come to shove Python is much easier to learn then Java with all the OO cruft. > On 19 Apr 2024, at 7:50 AM, Andrew Rowley > wrote:

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Farley, Peter
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On 18.04.2024 15:14, Bob Bridges wrote: > I don't often admit it, because I expect to get flamed for it, but in fact > when I write in VBA almost all my var

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 19.04.2024 01:50, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 18/04/2024 8:29 pm, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: The mileage of people here vary including the Java people themselves who have started to reduce the need of explicit declarations like the new "var" (imitating JavaScript) instead of strict types or

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-19 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 18.04.2024 15:14, Bob Bridges wrote: I don't often admit it, because I expect to get flamed for it, but in fact when I write in VBA almost all my variables are type VAR - that is, I hardly ever use the Dim statement to assign a type. To introduce an array, sure, or to maintain correct

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-18 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 18/04/2024 8:29 pm, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: The mileage of people here vary including the Java people themselves who have started to reduce the need of explicit declarations like the new "var" (imitating JavaScript) instead of strict types or foregoing the static main method such that one

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-18 Thread Bob Bridges
I don't often admit it, because I expect to get flamed for it, but in fact when I write in VBA almost all my variables are type VAR - that is, I hardly ever use the Dim statement to assign a type. To introduce an array, sure, or to maintain correct spelling in the longer var names. But it's

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-18 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 18.04.2024 02:22, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 18/04/2024 4:39 am, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: As you know already Rexx it would be easy for you to learn about what ooRexx adds to Rexx. ... Notabene: you write one ooRexx program that will be runnable without any changes on Windows, Linux and

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-18 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 17.04.2024 21:04, Bob Bridges wrote: This whole post was fascinating me, partly because I'm still a novice at ooRexx, still wrapping my head around certain concepts (messaging being one example). I may as well say, though, that when I finally broke down and got myself a copy, I then took

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-17 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 18/04/2024 4:39 am, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: As you know already Rexx it would be easy for you to learn about what ooRexx adds to Rexx. ... Notabene: you write one ooRexx program that will be runnable without any changes on Windows, Linux and macOS. This means you develop it e.g. on

Re: RACF - SDSF question

2024-04-17 Thread Shaffer, Terri
: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF - SDSF question [You don't often get

Re: RACF - SDSF question

2024-04-17 Thread Hayim Sokolsky
tsoftware.com> W:RocketSoftware.com From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 08:28 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF - SDSF question EXTERNAL EMAIL Hi, I would like to resurrect this question again, because my issue is back but not s

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-17 Thread Bob Bridges
This whole post was fascinating me, partly because I'm still a novice at ooRexx, still wrapping my head around certain concepts (messaging being one example). I may as well say, though, that when I finally broke down and got myself a copy, I then took not one hour but two or three days off to

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-17 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 17.04.2024 02:12, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 16/04/2024 3:08 am, Jon Perryman wrote: From a language standpoint, REXX is just another language but it's real strength is it's environment integration. Instead of the caller maintaining libraries, the environment automatically integrates with

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-17 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
On 15.04.2024 19:08, Jon Perryman wrote: Java's not perfect, but it is powerful and it is pretty much universally available on z/OS. People don't understand the ingenuity behind REXX and don't understand the real problems it solves. From a language standpoint, REXX is just another language

Re: RACF - SDSF question

2024-04-17 Thread Rob Scott
Of course, that should read "UPDATE or ALTER access" Rob From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 4:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF - SDSF question EXTERNAL EMAIL You can check what security activity is going

Re: RACF - SDSF question

2024-04-17 Thread Rob Scott
are From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shaffer, Terri Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 1:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF - SDSF question EXTERNAL EMAIL Hi, I would like to resurrect this question again, because my issue is back but not sure if b

Re: RACF - SDSF question

2024-04-17 Thread Norbert Gál
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: RACF - SDSF question Hi, I would like to resurrect this question again, because my issue is back but not sure if by design or my RACF setup... Because we are a development shop, we allow our developers to start/stop and issue modify commands to shutdown

Re: RACF - SDSF question

2024-04-17 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Hi, I would like to resurrect this question again, because my issue is back but not sure if by design or my RACF setup... Because we are a development shop, we allow our developers to start/stop and issue modify commands to shutdown their CICS regions that run as batch Jobs

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-16 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 16/04/2024 3:08 am, Jon Perryman wrote: From a language standpoint, REXX is just another language but it's real strength is it's environment integration. Instead of the caller maintaining libraries, the environment automatically integrates with REXX. For instance, REXX in the TSO

Re: REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
and scientific notation question >Java's not perfect, but it is powerful and it is pretty much universally >available on z/OS. People don't understand the ingenuity behind REXX and don't understand the real problems it solves. From a language standpoint, REXX is just another language bu

REXX vs other languages WAS: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-04-15 Thread Jon Perryman
>Java's not perfect, but it is powerful and it is pretty much universally >available on z/OS. People don't understand the ingenuity behind REXX and don't understand the real problems it solves. From a language standpoint, REXX is just another language but it's real strength is it's environment

Re: RACF/DB2 Search Question?

2024-04-04 Thread Robert S. Hansel
2024 - -Original Message- Date:Wed, 3 Apr 2024 12:22:15 + From:"Shaffer, Terri" Subject: RACF/DB2 Search Question? Hi, One wondering if the RACF experts could answer something? We are in the process of upgrading our DB2 from V8 t

RACF/DB2 Search Question?

2024-04-03 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Hi, One wondering if the RACF experts could answer something? We are in the process of upgrading our DB2 from V8 to V13.1, which is actually working great, but they have a PC application that uses JDBC drivers to talk to DB2. Everything works, Except a create tablespace command. So in

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-20 Thread Oscar
/com.blackhillsoftware.smf.realtime/com/blackhillsoftware/smf/realtime/package-summary.html So using/targeting the language that is most available makes sense. But my question was: Why Python? What are the reasons for using Python rather than e.g. Java? Though the conversation initially compared REXX to Python, it's

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question On Mar 18, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Farley, Peter <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: The really tricky part of letting programmers use Python is how do they get the necessary non-standard lib

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-19 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Mar 18, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Farley, Peter <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: The really tricky part of letting programmers use Python is how do they get the necessary non-standard libraries for themselves? I suspect most large shops will, in the name of “security”,

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-19 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, at 18:38, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, at 23:35, David Crayford wrote: >> Working with REXX doesn't feel comfortable to me at all. I'm troubled >> by the fact that every function call carries a potential side effect. > > EVERY function call? Including calls

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-18 Thread Andrew Rowley
the new Telum chip in the z16, the question remains: How do we leverage its potential? For this, we require Python libraries—either TensorFlow or PyTorch—running on s390x architecture (for now). My impresson has been that Python is central to AI, but I'm curious about more general use cases

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-18 Thread David Crayford
avadoc/com.blackhillsoftware.smf.realtime/com/blackhillsoftware/smf/realtime/package-summary.html > > So using/targeting the language that is most available makes sense. > > But my question was: Why Python? What are the reasons for using Python rather > than e.g. Java? We utilize both langua

Re: Rexx numeric digits and scientific notation question

2024-03-18 Thread Andrew Rowley
that is most available makes sense. But my question was: Why Python? What are the reasons for using Python rather than e.g. Java? -- Andrew Rowley Black Hill Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

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