Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-29 Thread David Crayford
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? I think the dude who wrote to article was looking for money or being a name in the industry. Every Z system I have been on you could

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-29 Thread Rob Schramm
can disrupt the system with a DDoS attack. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-29 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-08-29 o 03:59, David Crayford pisze: On 29/08/2015 5:56 AM, Charles Mills wrote: http://mainframesproject.tumblr.com/ That really is a hall of shame! If you can access telnet then you can disrupt the system with a DDoS attack. Not every system is production system. Not every

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread Meir Zohar
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 8:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? Hi All, I’m actually the person interviewed in this (frankly overblown) article

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-08-28 o 06:19, Timothy Sipples pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: c) IMHO it is bad idea to make any system directly accessible from Internet. Mainframe, any kind of Unix, Linux, Windows... Which leaves...what? Is Wang still selling machines? (But those were systems, too...) Well...

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread Klan, Rob (RET-DAY)
open to internet attacks? In 55df2edd.5090...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 08/27/2015 at 05:38 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: What I understod from the lecture: a) mainframes are old, obsolete, but unfotunately sometimes still in use - which is a sin. If they do the job as well

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-08-28 o 14:12, John McKown pisze: The die hard AmigaDOS people will be wanting an apology for being ignored -- yet again. The CP/M people have all died, so no worries from them. [grin]. Well, I still have working CP/M machine and feel quite alive. However I never tried to

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:02 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: W dniu 2015-08-28 o 06:19, Timothy Sipples pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: c) IMHO it is bad idea to make any system directly accessible from Internet. Mainframe, any kind of Unix, Linux, Windows... Which

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread David Crayford
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? I think the dude who wrote to article was looking for money or being a name in the industry. Every Z system I have been on you could not get

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread Charles Mills
http://mainframesproject.tumblr.com/ Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? I think

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-28 Thread Scott Ford
I think the dude who wrote to article was looking for money or being a name in the industry. Every Z system I have been on you could not get to a login screen that easy. That's about 20+ shops , so dude give us details no fluff Scott On Friday, August 28, 2015, R.S.

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-27 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2015-08-19 o 00:26, Robert Harrison pisze: From technologyreview.com: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540011/mainframe-computers-that-handle-our-most-sensitive-data-are-open-to-internet-attacks/ Really? What I understod from the lecture: a) mainframes are old, obsolete, but

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 55df2edd.5090...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 08/27/2015 at 05:38 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: What I understod from the lecture: a) mainframes are old, obsolete, but unfotunately sometimes still in use - which is a sin. If they do the job as well as or better than available

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-27 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: c) IMHO it is bad idea to make any system directly accessible from Internet. Mainframe, any kind of Unix, Linux, Windows... Which leaves...what? Is Wang still selling machines? (But those were systems, too...)

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-27 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: How about Multics? Designed from the start to be multi-user and highly secure. some of the CTSS people went to the 5th flr and did Multics. Other of the CTSS people went to the IBM science center on the 4th flr and did cp67/cms, the internal

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-27 Thread Phil
: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? W dniu 2015-08-19 o 00:26, Robert Harrison pisze: From technologyreview.com http://technologyreview.com/: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540011/mainframe-computers-that-handle-our-most-sensitive-data-are-open-to-internet-attacks/ http

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Schwab
How about Multics? Designed from the start to be multi-user and highly secure. On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: c) IMHO it is bad idea to make any system directly accessible from Internet. Mainframe, any kind of Unix, Linux,

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-19 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Vince Coen vbc...@gmail.com wrote: Err you have to read this a little closer : leaders of the U.S. office of personal management .. explain So these people experienced it, what exactly ? Knowledge of any form of IT !! ? There again could have down a

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-19 Thread Martin Packer
/ Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Vince Coen vbc...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 19/08/2015 14:22 Subject:Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-19 Thread Vince Coen
? Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Meir Zohar Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? Phil Young has been

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-19 Thread Greg Shirey
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks? Phil Young has been doing these talks for several years and some of the tools are posted on his Soldier of Fortran site. He is absolutely correct in that some sites are complacent in their the mainframe is secure attitude and that, like

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-18 Thread Rob Schramm
Soldier of Fortran site had links to all this. I don't think any of the information is new. Rob Schramm On Tue, Aug 18, 2015, 7:15 PM Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Really. In 2012 Logica, a mainframe service bureau in Sweden, suffered a disastrous hack that involved government agency

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-18 Thread Meir Zohar
Phil Young has been doing these talks for several years and some of the tools are posted on his Soldier of Fortran site. He is absolutely correct in that some sites are complacent in their the mainframe is secure attitude and that, like every other platform, z/OS requires a continuous

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-18 Thread Mark Post
On 8/18/2015 at 06:26 PM, Robert Harrison robert.harri...@omes.ok.gov wrote: From technologyreview.com: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540011/mainframe-computers-that-handle- our-most-sensitive-data-are-open-to-internet-attacks/ Really? Yes, really. Phil Young isn't the only

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-18 Thread Mark Post
On 8/18/2015 at 06:26 PM, Robert Harrison robert.harri...@omes.ok.gov wrote: From technologyreview.com: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540011/mainframe-computers-that-handle- our-most-sensitive-data-are-open-to-internet-attacks/ It's fun to read the comments on that article,

Re: Mainframes open to internet attacks?

2015-08-18 Thread Charles Mills
Really. In 2012 Logica, a mainframe service bureau in Sweden, suffered a disastrous hack that involved government agency files, credit cards, and social security numbers. The entry was via an online legal database that was accessible via browser from the Internet, and which turned out to be