Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Tom Brennan
Fiche story: I had an autocommand that displayed the spool percentage every hour or so. Then maybe once a month I would run a program to grab all the percentages from syslog and produce a horizontal bar graph - just a simple line of 1 to 100 asterisks for each sample. I'd print months of

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 13:16:58 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >As I recall the only 1052 for use as a S/360 console was the 1052-7. I believe >that the 3210 also used the "golfball" but that the 3215 and 3287 had dot >matrix impact printers. > >Having

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
c installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests [Default] On 26 Jul 2021 06:37:53 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you >actually use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather than for

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 26 Jul 2021 06:37:53 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >Lot's of OS/360 MVT systems used a 1052-7, but that's not MVS. Did you >actually use the 3287 as a hardcopy console rather than for copying screens >and for applications? As I recall from

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread John Abell
Of Colin Paice Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 11:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests See Taking the brakes off ZFS on z/OS – move it to OMVS <https://colinpaice.blog/2021/02/17/taking-the-brakes-off-zfs-on-z-os-move-it-to-o

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Colin Paice
nal Message- > > From: Ed > To: IBM-MAIN > Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests > > On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The infor

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I may be pointin out the obvious, but maybe not so obvious for all - ya just never know I know some folks on my team, so glad they don't subscribe here, that will ask how toI point to some doc, they read what they want, when they get a failure or an error message they come back to me, I

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/26/2021 7:50 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: also the recommendation if you do this; Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address space. Haha! No kidding! You are way, Way, WAY behind the curve if you don't already have that specification... LOL -- Phoenix Software

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
also the recommendation if you do this; Specify KERNELSTACKS(ABOVE) when zFS is running in the OMVS address space. Carmen On 7/26/2021 9:48 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: thats my current setup also, and yes it appears all you need to do is remove the ASNAME and viola ! I think you still need

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
thats my current setup also, and yes it appears all you need to do is remove the ASNAME and viola ! I think you still need to make sure the IOEPRM DD is not in the PROC and is only in the parmlib? Carmen On 7/26/2021 9:44 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I've

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/26/2021 7:01 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: I've never tried to run zfs under omvs, but it looks pretty straight forward, soemthing I'd need to test. good doc here to help you set this up; https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=zfs-installation-configuration-steps We currently

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Carmen Vitullo
: Ed To: IBM-MAIN Date: Monday, 26 July 2021 12:12 AM CDT Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: > Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided > to me was that the "smallest&qu

Re: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Clark Morris [03b2c618bdfc-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests [Default] On 25 Jul 2021 14:56:33

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/25/2021 10:01 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM is a 400+mip one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly kind of astonished that it never

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Brian Westerman
Running on a VM on a 400mip box doesn't count, no. The information provided to me was that the "smallest" box that had been tested by IBM is a 400+mip one, so the answer is "no", none of those count. I'm frankly kind of astonished that it never occurred to IBM to test on the smallest box they

D U o a 1052 was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 25 Jul 2021 14:56:33 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote: >Did you ever see a 1052-7, or even a 3210, on an MVS system? Admiitedly the D >U message flood is a nuisance even on a 3270, but every shop that I saw used >3066 and 3270 for consoles, with

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 25/07/2021 11:41 pm, Marna WALLE wrote: Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to all participating ISVs count as part of our early programs? Whereby they could use z/OS V2.5 and z/OSMF in their own environment, or use it as a z/VM guest? If you are

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests [Default] On 25 Jul 2021 06:42:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main mwa...@us.ibm.com (Marna WALLE) wrote: >Brian, >Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Colin Paice
This might get more interest if they called it rent a system, rather than cloud. Cloud has many negative images for z/OS people. On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 14:23, Ed Jaffe wrote: > On 7/24/2021 11:14 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > > You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run >

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 25 Jul 2021 06:42:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main mwa...@us.ibm.com (Marna WALLE) wrote: >Brian, >Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to >all participating ISVs count as part of our early programs? Whereby they >could use z/OS V2.5 and

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, Concerning small environments, does having z/OS (and z/OS V2.5) available to all participating ISVs count as part of our early programs? Whereby they could use z/OS V2.5 and z/OSMF in their own environment, or use it as a z/VM guest? Does it count that these same ISVs, who can run in

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/24/2021 11:14 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run real production. https://assets.toolbox.com/research/make-your-mainframe-environment-more-agile-and-responsive-with-ibms-zcloud-47582 -- Phoenix Software International Edward E.

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-25 Thread Mike Schwab
You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run real production. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:50 AM kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I realized as much. > However, that's one way for IBM to build a bridge. > zSMB or something. > Instead

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread kekronbekron
I realized as much. However, that's one way for IBM to build a bridge. zSMB or something. Instead of leaving no option but to get out-of-support older machines (and h/w support from other companies), or getting more MSUs and such... IBM could instead sell software-only small machine. Comparing

Re: Excessive resource use was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread Brian Westerman
Not really, the smaller the shop, the less programmers they have performing compiles, even if it takes 4 to 5 times as long to compile LE COBOL compared to something like COBOL-II, there are not enough of them to really matter. A large shop wouldn't see that same problem, because while the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread Brian Westerman
Unfortunately, you can't run a production system on a zPDT, it's not allowed under the agreement with IBM. On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 05:41:56 +, kekronbekron wrote: >And therein begins a new line where some company offers services to move small >machine workloads to zPDT. >Or whatever... > >-

Excessive resource use was Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-24 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 23 Jul 2021 21:21:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com (Brian Westerman) wrote: >Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small >processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most >likely you didn't and

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread kekronbekron
And therein begins a new line where some company offers services to move small machine workloads to zPDT. Or whatever... - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 24th, 2021 at 9:51 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: > Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Brian Westerman
Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most likely you didn't and that's very sad. A good percentage of "new" clients that IBM has added over the past 5 to 8 years are in that boat and IBM has

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, >> Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" be there, >> but I don't have anything that actually shows that or even implies it for >> z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the workflows to verify anything. For the z/OS Workflows that you haven't seen yet, they are

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Steve Smith
A USERMOD is overkill. SMP/E parmlib is specified in the JCL, so just create your own and use it. That's what I do. But if you really want to have a usermod, I don't mind. sas On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:26 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) < 01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Nice! thanks Bob     Carmen Vitullo -Original Message- From: Robert <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Date: Friday, 23 July 2021 7:26 AM CDT Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests For SMPWRKx datasets, see SYS1.S

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Discussion List On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 8:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Barb, how did you get my apply and accept sysouts :) joking aside, these datasets are the same datasets I've always had

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Barb, how did you get my apply and accept sysouts :) joking aside, these datasets are the same datasets I've always had space issues with or I needed to up the directory size, go thru the pain of allocating a .NEW datasets larger, or with more directories or both, copy the failed library to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Its interesting, because I don’t have any products that give me extra extents >except what SMS does for me space wise, and I have never increased my dataset >size allocations. Just as a preparation for increasing allocations, here is what failed x37 in the past 8 refreshes (all on the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-23 Thread Brian Westerman
Except for C:\Windows and the Program files directory, I don't think I keep anything where Microsoft wants me to. I like to keep everything that isn't the vanilla MS system on other drives and I create links to them so that I can reinstall when I want and just redo the links. But then I

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
in production was a non-event. Which is as it should be. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Tom Brennan > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 7:38 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Re

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, When adding an Software Instance that you already have (say, z/OS V2.4), you are telling z/OSMF the CSI and zones to use. Those DDDEFs, presumably, will be correct with the data set names, volumes

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
ah YUP! I was going to add, when I did a short jaunt with IGS, most of the IBM sysprog's never heard of ServerPac and most never provided or worked with a custompac install. The clients systems are built based on what the client needs, sometime just the base system, sometimes the base+OEM

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Tom Brennan
"seems everyone has a better way" I think you hit on the root of the problem. With Windows and Linux installs, everyone (generally) does things the same exact way, including filenames and directory locations. They don't have the problems we have with mainframe installs. On 7/22/2021 7:19

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-22 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I think I IPL'd the CPAC system that was built from the ServerPac once in my career, it was the company/dept's standard and we had a small LPAR built just for that reason. Documentation was provided, IPLing the CPAC system was only done to proceed with the ServerPac install.  moving on from

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Brian Westerman
I'm almost completely the opposite, I use it as an opportunity to replace the datasets and make corrections to their allocations. Although in my case I am normally coming in after someone messed up or 5 to 10 years (or more) after the previous upgrade so the sizes and allocations in many cases

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Brian Westerman
Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" be there, but I don't have anything that actually shows that or even implies it for z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the workflows to verify anything. I'm really hoping that I'm being Chicken Little here, but it's looking less

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Tom Brennan
We always seemed to be at the limit of our res pack, so after a new install I would run a job that to compress and trim (to zero) most PDS's with the idea that they would just go into extents as needed if updates were made. We rarely updated a res pack in place, so there was usually no

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Tom Brennan
Same with me when I ran ServerPac installs - I never IPL'd using the datasets provided by the installer such as catalogs, RACF, spool, SMF, page, etc. I never understood IBM's reason for doing that, and also never understood the reason for running the system validation jobs on the vanilla

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Marna WALLE
Bruce, Thank you! This is very helpful for us to have! -Marna WALLE z/OS System Install and Upgrade IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Marna WALLE
Brian, Let's make a clear distinction. Inside the z/OS z/OSMF ServerPac package that is shipped to you, and I'm talking about the archived datasets for you to restore, these are the data sets you'll receive (which is somewhat based on what the product mix you ordered from Shopz): --SMP/E

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Ed Jaffe [edja...@phoenixsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 12:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests On 7/20/2021 10:47 AM, Marna WALLE wrote: > ... even with enlarg

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Brian Westerman [brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 1:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-21 Thread Barbara Nitz
Hi Marna, >Making everything bigger is not a good option. Not everything "needs" to be >bigger, but there are those that even 40% won't be enough.I think >creating z/OSMF product delivery without the ability to change the size and >location of the datasets (easily) is a bad idea. I am

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Westerman
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >Marna WALLE [mwa...@us.ibm.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 1:47 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.ED

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Westerman
Making everything bigger is not a good option. Not everything "needs" to be bigger, but there are those that even 40% won't be enough. The Serverpac used to ship with SMF and JES spool/checkpoint and SMF on the catalog volume, and I'm sure no one probably leaves it there, but the size of the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Marna, I use:- Rules for re-sizing datasets:- Target volume datasets to be allocated in CYLINDERS Distribution volume datasets to be allocated in

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
into a running system > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Ed Jaffe > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:50 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests > > On 7/20/2021 10:

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 10:47 AM, Marna WALLE wrote: ... even with enlarging the data sets with some predictive percentage (50%, 100%, 200%?) - still doesn't completely help with running out of space in some data sets or even volumes continually, and could result in some data sets being overly and

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
It'd be great if IBM disappeared the problem by buying one of the stop x37 companies :) - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, July 20th, 2021 at 11:17 PM, Marna WALLE wrote: > Hi Barbara (and others), > > Nice to see so many users of PDSEs! We do not today have the capability to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, When adding an Software Instance that you already have (say, z/OS V2.4), you are telling z/OSMF the CSI and zones to use. Those DDDEFs, presumably, will be correct with the data set names, volumes, and paths

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Seymour J Metz
Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Marna WALLE [mwa...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 1:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Hi Barbara (and others), Nice to see so many users of PDSEs! We do

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hello KB, As a little reference table, here's what's available today (and in the future) from Shopz as a ServerPac, along with the installation method. You can see that z/OSMF ServerPac has been available for many products, for quite a while now. CICS (and program products): z/OSMF

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Barbara (and others), Nice to see so many users of PDSEs! We do not today have the capability to switch from PDS to PDSE in z/OSMF, but we've got it in our backlog from requests to have it. If PDSEs users would like to help us prioritize that, with their business impacts without this

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
thank you for the sanity check. I see that I can inquire missing / critical maint, I was hoping that I could take the info and perform a receive from that missing maint. using a defined protocol (ftps or https) and have z/osmf submit the job to receive from network. I do have a weekly job

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Mike Schwab
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 12:05 PM Marna WALLE wrote: > > Q: I wonder since my company does not allow access from my mainframe systems > to the internet, what protocol will be used to query my CSI's, > maint level? get service > A: Same methods as before. Nothing has changed. You can acquire a

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Carmen, Sorry to hear that z/OS V2.4 will be your least release! Good luck in retirement! Once you have laid down a z/OSMF ServerPac, it will have the same considerations as if you had done it with the ISPF ServerPac dialogs, so I'm guessing the comments weren't about z/OSMF specifically?

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Colin Paice
This may be off topic... I used SMP(/e) about 35+ years ago, I used to build CICS. I now get my z/OS from ADCD. I download some volumes and have an IPLable system. I could download the DLIBs if I wanted them. Is this the sort of direction we should be going in? If IBM was to provide the volumes

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Mike Schwab
Of > kekronbekron > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:35 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests > > Hmm.. is 2.4 is available as a zOSMF Software Instance via ShopZ? > > - KB > > ‐‐‐ Original Messa

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Terri, When adding an Software Instance that you already have (say, z/OS V2.4), you are telling z/OSMF the CSI and zones to use. Those DDDEFs, presumably, will be correct with the data set names, volumes, and paths. Those DDDEFs will be used as a model on the incoming z/OS CSI DDDEFs.

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
January 2022 and beyond - Requests Robert, It's been done, and is the proceedings: https://www.share.org/Events/Past-Events/Proceedings/Proceeding-Details/installing-ibms-serverpac-using-zosmf-software-management Look for Kurt Quackenbush's "Installing IBM's ServerPac Using z/OSMF Software Manag

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Marna WALLE
Robert, It's been done, and is the proceedings: https://www.share.org/Events/Past-Events/Proceedings/Proceeding-Details/installing-ibms-serverpac-using-zosmf-software-management Look for Kurt Quackenbush's "Installing IBM's ServerPac Using z/OSMF Software Management", from Ft Worth 2020. Kurt

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Carmen Vitullo
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 10:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email On 7/20/2021 4:41 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: "If

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 7:27 AM, Shaffer, Terri wrote: How would this even work? Or be complete.. SMPE doesn’t know about my SERVERPAC customizations. Or how about the CPAC. ** datasets or other operational names I setup. When you create a Software Instance, you select a CSI and as many target

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email On 7/20/2021 4:41 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > "If I may suggest to all that will install z/OS V2.5 with z/OSMF, it really > behooves you to define your prior z

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) > > terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > kekronbekron > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Sounds like great SHARE session material (if it isn't already there for the next one). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 10:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 6:34 AM, kekronbekron wrote: Hmm.. is 2.4 is available as a zOSMF Software Instance via ShopZ? No products are available as Software Instances from ShopZ, they come as PORTABLE Software Instances. You can create a Software Instance for any collection of software you have --

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/20/2021 4:41 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: "If I may suggest to all that will install z/OS V2.5 with z/OSMF, it really behooves you to define your prior z/OS release right now as a Software Instance." I do not want to assume that I completely understand your suggestion. She means

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Hmm.. is 2.4 is available as a zOSMF Software Instance via ShopZ? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday,

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Bob, I believe she means that when you import your prior/current zOS CSI and set some parms

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
pz except change the > delivery mechanism. > > Bob > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of > kekronbekron > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subj

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
I thought that maybe a new order of 2.4 through Shopz except change the delivery mechanism. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread kekronbekron
Hi Bob, I believe she means that when you import your prior/current zOS CSI and set some parms (if required) for it, then you can base your target environment (CSI, files, etc.) off of it. This way, you don't start at zero, i.e., defining all datasets manually, anew. - KB ‐‐‐ Original

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Marna, Can you expand on what you mean below? "If I may suggest to all that will install z/OS V2.5 with z/OSMF, it really behooves you to define your prior z/OS release right now as a Software Instance." I do not want to assume that I completely understand your suggestion. Bob

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit a produced job

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Brian Westerman
You are 100% correct, there are about 50 datasets that I ALWAYS enlarge during the installation for just the reason you specified, IBM sizes them for delivery, not for applying maintenance later. Then there are the ones that ALWAYS need to be updated like HASPSPACE and the checkpoints, as well

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-20 Thread Barbara Nitz
>You can't change the size of a dataset and you can't change PDS to PDSE. It's >easy in ServerPac to mass change to PDSE. It skips ones that aren't eligible. You can't? As far as I am concerned that is a definite roadblock. IBM never sizes the data sets in such a way that they won't go x37 at

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Shaffer, Terri
ssage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Marna WALLE Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests External Email Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Al Loeffler
, 2021 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit a produced job for Deployment. It is intended that no editing is necessary, in that if you need to "

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Terri, You are correct that within the z/OSMF interface, there is no way to edit a produced job for Deployment. It is intended that no editing is necessary, in that if you need to "tweak" the job, we should be providing that capability within the interface itself. The JCL produced should

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Requests

2021-07-19 Thread Shaffer, Terri
So, I am going to ease up on IBM a little, except for the resources needed for z/OSMF, But have a few usability requests just as in the serverpac. I am not 100% convinced yet, but I see no way of editing a job that was generated, BEFORE submit!! I also see fields on the screen but no context