Re: JoAT (was: SORT JCL)

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:15:09 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: Paul Gilmartin wrote: I'd love to be able to select vi as my editor under ISPF (but not all the time.)) Now you made me think: vi using SNA would mean you need to send each individual keypress to the mainframe and get a response. That

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-15 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:50:40 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: To be fair its both SYNCSORT and DFSORT. Probably true - but I've not seen Syncsort for decades. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: JoAT (was: SORT JCL)

2014-09-15 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 15, 2014, at 10:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:21:12 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I am not so sure that is the case (ISPF edit) . The issue is as I see it that there is no xedit for MVS . Its relatively easy to change the ISPF primary menu to use another How? Does

Re: JoAT (was: SORT JCL)

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:57:07 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I *think* member selection etc is part and parcel of ispf/pdf. But if it isn't then the replacement would have to do the member selection. I think that no one has done one so you are treading on new territory. Of course there may be one out

Re: JoAT (was: SORT JCL)

2014-09-15 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 15, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Ed Gould wrote: -SNIP__ editor, but AFAIK there isn't one out there(anyone know of one?) nedit. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/unix/ library/IBM+Redbooks/index.html#nedit -- gil

Re: JoAT (was: SORT JCL)

2014-09-15 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 15, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:57:07 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I *think* member selection etc is part and parcel of ispf/pdf. But if it isn't then the replacement would have to do the member selection. I think that no one has done one so you are

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 00:29:11 -0500, Ron Thomas wrote: Here we need to make this file as below by appending zeros to the 1'st byte of each number only if the length of the number is 4 . *only if the length of the number is 4 * What about 3 or 2 or 1 digits ?. Trivial in awk - but it seems

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread John Gilmore
This 'problem', if that is the right word for it, is trivial in any---well, almost any---programming language. The OP, like many others here, does not appear to want or even to have considered writing a programmed resolution of his problem. He wants to use sort control statements instead. He

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Ron Thomas
if the length is 4 or less than 4 need to append zeros to it and make it 5 byte length. Thanks! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Shane Ginnane
if the length is 4 or less than 4 need to append zeros to it and make it 5 byte length. Thanks! Like I said, trivial. And doesn't need compiling. And last I benchmarked, was faster anyway. But that was a (smallish) one-off on zLinux, not z/OS ... As a genera rule, I'd stack perl up against

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
I agree that Sort may not be as easy as a programming language. For example, with REXX you can do LEFT(var,5,'0') or RIGHT(var,5,'0') and that will place zeros up to the number of positions. In Unix, or Perl, or COBOL, or EASYTRIEVE, or Assembler, not hard to do. I have found many places

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Brian Fraser
If using SORT then you can use: INREC IFTHEN=(WHEN=(4,2,CH,EQ,C' '),BUILD=(C'00',1,3,5,75)), IFTHEN=(WHEN=(5,1,CH,EQ,C' '),BUILD=(C'0',1,4,5,75)) I only used IEHIBALL to syntax check that statement, but I think its correct. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
. He wants to use sort control statements instead. He can certainly do so too, but why? If one's accustomed tool is a hammer ... Change control procedures may be stricter for programs than for utility control statements, but why? I've heard this as an argument for resisting classification

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
if the length of the number is 4 . This being a parmcard if someone entered a 5 digit then no need to apend a zero . Could some one let me know how to do the same in sort? REXX is very handy and useful to fix this. 1 - 04043 04045 - 04060 04062 - 04108 04110 - 04700 04705 - 04706 04708 88

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Ed Finnell
Yeah, but the problem description and sample output don't match. If the length is 5 the last numeric is appended to make the length 6? In a message dated 9/14/2014 9:04:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, brianmfra...@gmail.com writes: I only used IEHIBALL to syntax check that statement, but

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Martin Packer
/2014 14:52 Subject:Re: SORT JCL Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I agree that Sort may not be as easy as a programming language. For example, with REXX you can do LEFT(var,5,'0') or RIGHT(var,5,'0') and that will place zeros up to the number

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Tom Brennan
the same work with DFSORT or ICETOOL, and was surprised when the SORT job ran in about 25% less clock time than my own simple program. All I could guess is that DFSORT has some DASD tricks to speed things up, like you say. Martin Packer wrote: Without wishing to appear a die hard defender of DFSORT

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread Ron Thomas
I have tried this control card and not getting the correct result. below is the one i got, the 2'nd field is not getting reflected . 1 - 4043 04045 - 4060 04062 - 4108 04110 - 4700 04705 - 4706 04708 04714 04719 04723 Thanks Ron T

Re: SORT JCL

2014-09-14 Thread retired mainframer
You forgot to show us the control card. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SORT JCL I have tried this control card

SORT JCL

2014-09-13 Thread Ron Thomas
of the number is 4 . This being a parmcard if someone entered a 5 digit then no need to apend a zero . Could some one let me know how to do the same in sort? 1 - 04043 04045 - 04060 04062 - 04108 04110 - 04700 04705 - 04706 04708 88 04714 04719 04723 67 Thanks

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Martin Packer
/2014 00:06 Subject:Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?) Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Try adding close=free to the DD statement Ed, When using DFSORT applications, FREE=CLOSE cannot be used on any DD statements except DFSPARM. Thanks, Kolusu IBM

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:21:00 -0500, Shane Ginnane wrote: awk '{print hlq.$1.file}' dfsort.input Even OMVS should be able to achieve that. Can't see any reason for a sort. Limit on number of open files? OP said hundreds or thousands. -- gil

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:21:00 -0500, Shane Ginnane wrote: awk '{print hlq.$1.file}' dfsort.input Even OMVS should be able to achieve that. Can't see any reason for a sort. Limit

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:35:05 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Limit on number of open files? OP said hundreds or thousands. Rebuke accepted - maybe I can (now) see a need for a sort. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
for each value in that field. If I were doing this, I'd sort on the field and have an output exit that allocated and opened the dataset for each value, closed and freed it on a control break and told the sort not to create any output. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread John McKown
to create a separate dataset that would contain all occurrences of that field. ITYM a separate file for each value in that field. If I were doing this, I'd sort on the field and have an output exit that allocated and opened the dataset for each value, closed and freed it on a control break

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread TonyIcloud-OPERA
Before I tried the solution cited below (TYVM BTW), I set up a test manually with some interesting results. The input file is not sorted, and I'm only doing SORT FIELDS=COPY. All I want to do is to break up the file into a bunch of little files. Test #1. Read my input file, 229,762

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Hardee, Chuck
Okay, let me say up front, I know nothing about the abilities of SORT other than simple sort this file on these keys and give me the output in this file. Okay, we're good? Here's my question. If (can) sort insert records into its output on a break in key? If so, why not sort the input file

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread TonyIcloud-OPERA
. On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:28:51 -0500, Hardee, Chuck chuck.har...@thermofisher.com wrote: Okay, let me say up front, I know nothing about the abilities of SORT other than simple sort this file on these keys and give me the output in this file. Okay, we're good? Here's my question. If (can

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread TonyIcloud-OPERA
: TonyIcloud-OPERA tonybabo...@icloud.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/21/2014 09:25 AM Subject: Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Before I tried the solution cited below (TYVM BTW), I set up a test manually with some

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Sri h Kolusu
) http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ice1ca60/3.14 Thanks Kolusu DFSORT Development IBM Corporation From: TonyIcloud-OPERA tonybabo...@icloud.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/21/2014 09:43 AM Subject:Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?) Sent

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Here's my question. If (can) sort insert records into its output on a break in key? If so, why not sort the input file and, on each key break, generate an IEBUPDTE add control card and the write the record that belong to that card until the next key break. Do this for each key break

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0944307717662460.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 08/20/2014 at 12:13 PM, Paul Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said: Strange DSN syntax, Have you checked the TRAILER3 keyword of OUTFIL in the DF/SORT documentation? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread TonyIcloud-OPERA
I have a dataset that contains records with a field, by which I need to create a separate dataset that would contain all occurrences of that field. For example the file, FB100, looks like value1 other data. value1 other data. value1 other data. value2 other data. value2 other

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Sam Siegel
Have you considered writing a program which dynamically allocates the output files? On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:34 AM, TonyIcloud-OPERA tonybabo...@icloud.com wrote: I have a dataset that contains records with a field, by which I need to create a separate dataset that would contain all

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:34 AM, TonyIcloud-OPERA tonybabo...@icloud.com wrote: I have a dataset that contains records with a field, by which I need to create a separate dataset that would contain all occurrences of that field. For example the file, FB100, looks like value1 other data.

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread TonyIcloud-OPERA
Looks good, I'll try it out. Thanks. I'd be curious about a UNIX (aka the dark side) solution. I need the practice. P.S. Sam, thanks for the response but we need to keep this out of the development area due to change control constraints. REXX is viable because we can tap dance around

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Nims,Alva John (Al)
of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?) On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:34 AM

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote: I concur with everything what John said. Well, assuming that performance is not an overriding concern, I would have two steps. The first would be a DFSORT which sorts the records in order by the field in question. And drop the duplicates too. DFSORT can do that for you.

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:26:30 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Just curious, do you need to add BLKSIZE? SDB is your friend. He was probably just calling attention that he was relying on it. For the first few datasets to practise on the ALLOC, I would like to see what is in OUTPUT. Then if

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:20:43 -0500, TonyIcloud-OPERA wrote: Looks good, I'll try it out. Thanks. I'd be curious about a UNIX (aka the dark side) solution. I need the practice. P.S. Sam, thanks for the response but we need to keep this out of the development area due to change control

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Sri h Kolusu
TIOT size. The IBM-supplied default TIOT size is 32K. //* //* BUILD DYNAMIC OUTFIL CARDS AND DDNAMES FOR EACH GROUP OF RECORDS * //* //STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:01:00 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: ... 'DISP=SHR,DSN=Your.Split.PDSE(OUTF',101,4,')')), Strange DSN syntax, but perhaps I'm looking with a JCL bias. I understand that PDSE allows multiple members open for output concurrently. (FSVO multiple; what's the

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/20/2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:01:00 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: ... 'DISP

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread TonyIcloud-OPERA
I once allocated a PDSE, and using DF/SORT, wrote 1,000 members to it in one pass of data. I was tempted to try 10K output members but my beverage wager was already won. When I get a bit of time, since I already have devised a technique to generate N number of DD statements and OUTFIL

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:54:02 -0500, TonyIcloud-OPERA wrote: I once allocated a PDSE, and using DF/SORT, wrote 1,000 members to it in one pass of data. I was tempted to try 10K output members but my beverage wager was already won. When I get a bit of time, since I already have devised

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Ed Gould
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:54 PM, TonyIcloud-OPERA wrote: I once allocated a PDSE, and using DF/SORT, wrote 1,000 members to it in one pass of data. I was tempted to try 10K output members but my beverage wager was already won. When I get a bit of time, since I already have devised

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Sri h Kolusu
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/20/2014 03:28 PM Subject: Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:54 PM, TonyIcloud-OPERA wrote: I once allocated a PDSE, and using DF/SORT, wrote 1,000 members

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Ed Gould
Good reason to try the other sort. Ed On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Sri h Kolusu wrote: Try adding close=free to the DD statement Ed, When using DFSORT applications, FREE=CLOSE cannot be used on any DD statements except DFSPARM. Thanks, Kolusu IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Gibney, Dave
I am sure the other sort also frequently closes and reopens several, if not most DDs also. :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Shane Ginnane
awk '{print hlq.$1.file}' dfsort.input Even OMVS should be able to achieve that. Can't see any reason for a sort. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists

Re: DF/SORT question (challenge?)

2014-08-20 Thread Ed Gould
On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: I am sure the other sort also frequently closes and reopens several, if not most DDs also. :) Well lets ask them on here. Does Syncsort Open/Close its DD statements prohibiting Free=close ? Ed

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Ron, I am not sure how you can compare the results of SORT FIELDS=(1,4,CH,A,26,9,CH,A),EQUALS with SORT FIELDS=(26,9,CH,A,71,4,BI,A),EQUALS. In the first case you are sorting on the ASIS first followed by the field at position 26 and in the second case you are sorting on the contents

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Ron Thomas
i have done the same , that too also when we do compare the 2 o/p files there is order difference comming. Thanks Ron T -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Sri h Kolusu
...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 07/30/2014 06:12 AM Subject: Re: SORT JCL Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu i have done the same , that too also when we do compare the 2 o/p files there is order difference comming. Thanks Ron T

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Ron Thomas
.. DCDDCDC44FE000200070058CCFFECDCFF4001900 65581407141506263176531006424730696000D002C000C000C4600636856C009E00 Below one is with the modified sort card where the same data is in 71'th 4 byte binary data 6558140714150557LAPOELA 641547059W

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Ron, Are you sure you are running the 2 sorts with the SAME INPUT Files? The first sort has +1+2+3+4+ 6558 641547059W But the output from the 2nd sort has 2 records for the same key combination. +1+2+3

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Ron Thomas
Kolusu. See the below , the number of records is same in both the cases , only the sequence is the issue Old one 6558140713175118BWGILBE 641547059W...DF00WCOH56 .. 6558140714150557LAPOELA 641547059W...DF00WCOH56 ..

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Sri h Kolusu
@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 07/30/2014 08:42:14 AM: From: Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 07/30/2014 08:42 AM Subject: Re: SORT JCL Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Kolusu. See the below , the number of records is same

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-30 Thread Ron Thomas
Ok Kolusu. I have send the details. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-29 Thread Ron Thomas
Thanks Kolusu. Here is the sort card i used SORT FIELDS=(1,4,CH,A,26,9,CH,A),EQUALS which is in the ASIS case where in the modified sort card SORT FIELDS=(26,9,CH,A,71,4,BI,A),EQUALS. The issue is data in the ASIS the 1-4 bytes is same as in the TOBE the only change is the data

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-22 Thread Ron Thomas
Team. The below are the sort cards we are using. The first one is the existing one and 2'nd one is the new one. ASIS - SORT FIELDS=(1,4,CH,A,5,6,CH,A,11,6,CH,A) Modified - SORT FIELDS=(71,4,BI,A,5,6,CH,A,11,6,CH,A),EQUALS In the ASIS data is the customer number and 71,4 position also

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-22 Thread Sri h Kolusu
ASIS - SORT FIELDS=(1,4,CH,A,5,6,CH,A,11,6,CH,A) Modified - SORT FIELDS=(71,4,BI,A,5,6,CH,A,11,6,CH,A),EQUALS Please let me know why then the difference is comming in the sort as we are not changing any other fields? Ron, Your Original sort card did NOT have the EQUALS which means

SORT JCL

2014-07-20 Thread Ron Thomas
Hello. I have file in which first 1-4 bytes is character format, the file is comming from a different vendor and they have now changed to S9(09) COMP . We have SORT card that is using (1,4,CH,A), this now we are seeing a different order. Could some one please let us know how to get the same

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
] On Behalf Of Ron Thomas Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SORT JCL Hello. I have file in which first 1-4 bytes is character format, the file is comming from a different vendor and they have now changed to S9(09) COMP . We have SORT card

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-20 Thread Sam Siegel
have file in which first 1-4 bytes is character format, the file is comming from a different vendor and they have now changed to S9(09) COMP . We have SORT card that is using (1,4,CH,A), this now we are seeing a different order. Could some one please let us know how to get the same order what

Re: SORT JCL

2014-07-20 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:58:42 -0500 Ron Thomas ron5...@gmail.com wrote: :I have file in which first 1-4 bytes is character format, the file is comming from a different vendor and they have now changed to S9(09) COMP . We have SORT card that is using (1,4,CH,A), this now we are seeing a different

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-15 Thread R.S.
Can you enlight me, WHY they do that? While I'm aware it is possible, I see no reason to do that. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2014-07-14 22:19, Doug pisze: Some shops allow the sort volumes to be used for datasets that are passed between jobs and the last job of the series

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-15 Thread Mike Schwab
jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 07/14/2014 02:58 PM Subject:Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU We have some small datasets from started tasks. Don't

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-15 Thread Skip Robinson
323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 07/15/2014 07:08 AM Subject:Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Exactly. The task starts

Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Scott Starkey
We have datasets dynamically allocated to our Sort volumes which don't get deleted. I was wondering if other shops have a process in place to delete datasets older than xx days from sort volumes? If so, would you please share your method for doing this. Thanks, Scott

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO) (CTR)
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Cleanup Sort Volumes We have datasets dynamically allocated to our Sort volumes which don't get deleted. I was wondering if other shops have a process in place to delete datasets older than xx days from sort volumes

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Shouldn't the real question be: Why are my sort files staying around after the job's complete? - -teD -   Original Message   From: Doug Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:58 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes SMS management class

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Doug
SMS management class Delete in 7 days. . On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:39, Scott Starkey sxstar...@gmail.com wrote: We have datasets dynamically allocated to our Sort volumes which don't get deleted. I was wondering if other shops have a process in place to delete datasets older than xx days

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread R.S.
My €0.02: It is strange that temporary datasets survived end of job. Usually it is the system responsibility to clean up after the job. Assumption: nobody gave the SORTWK datasets permanent names. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Gibney, Dave
And what are and why are sort volumes? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes Shouldn't the real

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I assumed scratch volumes. Temps should not hang around. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Gibney, Dave Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 13:58 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes And what are and why are sort volumes

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
Agree with you Ted. (finally :-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 10:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Cleanup Sort Volumes Shouldn't the real

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Ed Finnell
Don't remember when it started. Maybe DB/2 v5 or so, some of the utility jobs started shipping with DISP=(MOD,DELETE,CATLG) for the some of the intermediate files-supposedly for rerun purposes. Naturally it was the big honkers that failed blocking the pool until it got rectified. In a

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Doug
Some shops allow the sort volumes to be used for datasets that are passed between jobs and the last job of the series 'is supposed to' issue a delete. (or not) grins. . On Jul 14, 2014, at 13:09, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: My €0.02: It is strange that temporary datasets

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Ed Gould
Doug: Maybe the author mis spoke when he indicated sort volumes. Personally I would think that system generated name would be sort work data sets . BTW I use IEHPROGM with scratch vtoc,sys,vol=sysallda=work0x If its in use then the system won't scratch it. Ed On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:19 PM

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Mike Schwab
We have some small datasets from started tasks. Don't delete until the next IPL. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Doug dsh...@bellsouth.net wrote: Some shops allow the sort volumes to be used for datasets that are passed between jobs and the last job of the series 'is supposed to' issue

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Skip Robinson
...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 07/14/2014 02:58 PM Subject:Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU We have some small datasets from started tasks. Don't delete until the next IPL. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3

Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes

2014-07-14 Thread Ed Gould
Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 07/14/2014 02:58 PM Subject:Re: Cleanup Sort Volumes Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM

df/sort parameter error. fixlen with leading zero

2014-06-20 Thread Tony's Basement Computer
I have a minor DF/SORT application that works on one LPAR and fails on another. The leading zero appears to be the culprit. PARSE=(%01=(ABSPOS=31,ENDBEFR=C'.',FIXLEN=8)), works cc=0, but if I specify 08 (zero-eight) for FIXLEN PARSE=(%01=(ABSPOS=31,ENDBEFR=C

Re: df/sort parameter error. fixlen with leading zero

2014-06-20 Thread Sri h Kolusu
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 06/20/2014 03:08:28 PM: From: Tony's Basement Computer tbabo...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 06/20/2014 03:08 PM Subject: df/sort parameter error. fixlen with leading zero Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Use SORT to manipulate a CSV?

2014-05-08 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on 05/07/2014 12:36:00 PM: From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com On Wed, 7 May 2014 12:28:25 -0400, Bill Ashton wrote: ... The file is a VB file with LRECL=0 and BLKSIZE=4096. ... ??? If you ask the wrong question, the

Use SORT to manipulate a CSV?

2014-05-07 Thread Bill Ashton
Hi friends...you have been helpful to in so many areas so far, and now I have a question about using SORT. I have an application that creates a CSV file (sort of) on the mainframe. The data rows start with a field DATA before the actual data fields, and there is a Header row that has a lot more

Re: Use SORT to manipulate a CSV?

2014-05-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 7 May 2014 12:28:25 -0400, Bill Ashton wrote: ... The file is a VB file with LRECL=0 and BLKSIZE=4096. ... ??? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Use SORT to manipulate a CSV?

2014-05-07 Thread Sri h Kolusu
more? The following DFSORT JCL will drop the trailer record and remove the first 5 bytes for the detailed records. //STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SORTIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=Your Input VB file //SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * OPTION COPY,VLSCMP OMIT COND=(5,7,CH,EQ

Re: Use SORT to manipulate a CSV?

2014-05-07 Thread Bill Ashton
the 7 extracted words to build your new header. :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :: Behalf Of Bill Ashton :: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 9:28 AM :: To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :: Subject: Use SORT to manipulate

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of87d06c78.43f4a289-on80257cc2.002a9f6c-80257cc2.002c3...@uk.ibm.com, on 04/22/2014 at 09:02 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said: VIO has, in any case, been seen as CPU expensive. Because it's simulating a device. I would, however, quite like to see VIO in Memory reborn - with

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-23 Thread Martin Packer
...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 23/04/2014 12:20 Subject:Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu In of87d06c78.43f4a289-on80257cc2.002a9f6c-80257cc2.002c3...@uk.ibm.com, on 04/22/2014 at 09:02 AM

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-23 Thread Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
Of Martin Packer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 13:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice I don't disagree: I didn't really talk implementation but I want to see very large temp data sets in memory, controlled via DFSMS and not too expensive. First step is very

Java Compressed References (Was: SORT and MEMLIMIT best practice)

2014-04-23 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/22/2014 4:58 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Linux (on x86_64) has been doing it forever - goes even further, allowing reference to a 32 Gig heap rather than just 4 Gig. z/OS Java compressed references also go to 32G. (The USE2GTO32G= keyword on the IARV64 macro should provide valuable insight

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 16:31 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice o What are the consequences of allocating SORTWKn to VIO? DFSORT

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Martin Packer
...@klm.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 22/04/2014 07:40 Subject:Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:03:24 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: I think the term pointer compression is relevant here - to java heap just above 2GB. Yes. Very clever. I was trying to find a link to post and found this:

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-22 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 08:46:40 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:03:24 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: I think the term pointer compression is relevant here - to java heap just above 2GB. Yes. Very clever. ... I didn't realize it was being done on other platforms also. Linux (on

Re: SORT ando MEMLIMIT best practice

2014-04-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 07:01:50 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:07:29 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Are there separate pools of real storage for above the bar and below the bar? Pools? No. Pools are a software concept. Real storage with real addresses 2 GiB are below the bar.

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