In
,
on 09/30/2013
at 09:10 AM, John Gilmore said:
>Moreover, I have never met a highly competent z/OS or z/VM systems
>programmer who was willing to devote herself or himself
>exclusively to security for a single shop.
Probably due to corporate culture and management issues. I can see
such
Depends on the particular branch, but I assume seniority would decide
who gets priority, and the boss would make the final decision.
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
wrote:
> In
> ,
> on 09/28/2013
>at 10:40 PM, Mike Schwab said:
>
>>I know in the Banking Industry, yo
In
,
on 09/28/2013
at 10:40 PM, Mike Schwab said:
>I know in the Banking Industry, you have to take one whole week of
>vacation sometime during the year.
What happens if they won't approve leave for the weeks that you want
to take?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
IS
On 30 September 2013 10:43, John Gilmore wrote:
> I am not sure just how 'staggering vacations in financial
> institutions' dissolves collusions. It may well prevent them during
> the interval when either of, say, two colluders is vacationing; but
> there would still be ample opportunity for coll
onday, September 30, 2013 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))
I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and
effectiveness, as does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
My now extended observation of it in several mainframe shops has not,
however, b
John Gilmore wrote:
>I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and effectiveness, as
>does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
True.
>Exclusive preoccupation with security seems to lead ineluctably to rigid,
>rote, highly standardized measures that make systems increasingly awkward and
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I do not know Randall Gross personally, and it was anyway no part of my intent
to impugn the competence of any particular mainfram
I do not know Randall Gross personally, and it was anyway no part of
my intent to impugn the competence of any particular mainframe
security specialist. I indeed made it clear that I judge that the
effectiveness of such groups varies widely.
I am nevertheless unrepentent about my view that most o
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:10:00 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
>I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and
>effectiveness, as does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
>
In fact, the rationale of dissolving collusions was suggested to
me decades ago, by someone unfamiliar with IT, in the contex
mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of John Gilmore
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:10 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))
I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and effectiveness, as does
perforce 'outsourced
I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and
effectiveness, as does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
My now extended observation of it in several mainframe shops has not,
however, been encouraging.
Exclusive preoccupation with security seems to lead ineluctably to
rigid, rote, highly s
I hope that works better than our outsourced DBA staff. They don't know our
business. They can't really give customized service. They need a lot of
lead time for even small changes (or there is a really hefty charge).
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 0
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#16 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing
contest(s))
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#25 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing
contest(s))
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#31 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing
contest(s))
for other drift, part of the
Mike,
I remember my first consulting gig was a bank, that's also what they told me.
Everyone had to take their vacation.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
> On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:53
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:34:41 -0400, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>
>multi-party operations were/are countermeasure to insider fraud.
>
>collusion then is/was response by crooks.
>
>staggered vacations then are a countermeasure to collusion
>... periodically mixing up those required for multi-party op
ons
for establishing multi-party operations (i.e. working out permissions so
that no single person has sufficient permissions to complete operation
on their own).
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/rbac/
somewhat back to early thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#16 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissi
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
wrote:
> In
> <8124033304576715.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>,
> on 09/26/2013
>at 01:19 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
> said:
>
>>I don't have any confirmed proof, but apparently the Japanese people
>>are FORCED to have
I know in the Banking Industry, you have to take one whole week of
vacation sometime during the year. Makes sure other people can do you
job and that no funny accounting is going on.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
wrote:
> In
> <8124033304576715.wa.elardus.engelbrechts
In
<8124033304576715.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>,
on 09/26/2013
at 01:19 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
said:
>Indeed. In a mature Data Centre, such overtime may or may not be
>frowned on, but you know there are exceptions and of course
>changes needed to be done after hours.
m.html#16 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing
contest(s))
for some topic drift ... I become acquainted with John Boyd the spring
of 1983 and would sponsor his briefings at IBM.
He would mention that during vietnam, he could claim that the sensors on
the trial wouldn't work. That is
Lynn,
Yep I agree worked with some oriental programs, who slept under their
desks..these guys were unbelievably good programmers..the group I worked with
wasn't quite that bad, no in a negative sense.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
> On
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes:
> I have occassionaly done a full night work, especially during
> emergencies like botched installation, upgrade or big changes.
as undergraduate in the 60s, the univ would shutdown the datacenter from
8am sat until 8am monday ... and le
Elardus,
Absolutely, life is short, there also is a balance with work and life
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
> wrote:
>
> I'm moving to a new thread.
>
> Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.
I'm moving to a new thread.
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
>>Not only in South Africa, we do 18+ in NYC too,
I have occassionaly done a full night work, especially during emergencies like
botched installation, upgrade or big changes.
>One of the things that happens as you get older is that yo
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