Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-25 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, at 21:59, David Crayford wrote: >You are never too old to learn new things. Cognitive decline happens with illness and/or age. Don't assume it won't happen to you too. There comes a point where although one could make a huge effort to learn new ways of doing old things, it'

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 4:17 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) > > On 24/8/2023 3:51 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Sure, but where are the data coming from? If

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-24 Thread Seymour J Metz
that might be fun to play with. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tomasz Rola [rto...@ceti.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 7:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 10:44:08AM +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Maybe people say so because they expected something else. > > "Humor is such a subjective thing!" (B5). My guess is that the quip > came from an emacs user who was perfectly content with it. I sensed humor there, but, well... Mor

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Bob Bridges
I can see both sides of this. On the one hand I accept that once I'm used to sticking my key into the door of the car, it takes time and thought (when I get one of those new-fangled fobs) to turn it over and find the right button and push it instead. And why take time and thought when it saves

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread David Crayford
] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 4:17 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) > > On 24/8/2023 3:51 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Sure, but where are the data coming from? If it&#x

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 4:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) > On 23 Aug 2023, at 10:45 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > It's a start, but I would love the oppo

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
t; -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 3:35 PM > To: IBM-MAI

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread David Crayford
> On 23 Aug 2023, at 10:45 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > It's a start, but I would love the opportunity to fork out $ for a full > clone. Not that I have any objections to using free software when it suits my > needs, but I won't ignore a useful program just because it's not open source. > Tak

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Bob Bridges
By definition it's not just a good indicator, it's a perfect indicator, that the editor lacks the feature(s) I wanted for my own idiosyncratic use. I don't usually fault the editor for that; I can almost always think up features that no one else would want. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.c

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread David Crayford
gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 3:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) On 23 Aug 2023, at 10:45 pm, Seymour J Metz

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
on.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 3:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) > On 23 Aug 2

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread David Crayford
> On 23 Aug 2023, at 10:45 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> Still finding this hard to recreate using ISPF with edit macros > > On a PC it's easy to examine every keystroke as it comes in PC? That’s running in a Linux shell over SSH. Vim doesn’t need to run on a PC for full duplex. It’s a nurses

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
gust 23, 2023 12:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) On 23/8/2023 10:29 am, Steve Beaver wrote: > I have tried VI and I find it to slow. I would use eMacs. Prefer to ispf > ported to Linux/Unix. https://github.com/daniel64/lspf > I have used ISPF for

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
y, August 22, 2023 11:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone) On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 12:51:00PM +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > I was just using emacs as ordinary text editor > > For me, an ordinary text editor is one that includes a good macro > fac

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-22 Thread David Crayford
Whoops! Forgot the link https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode > On 23 Aug 2023, at 12:19 pm, David Crayford wrote: > > I noticed that there is LSP support for Emacs. That's super important in the > modern world of language servers. > > On 23/8/2023 9:32 am, Tomasz Rola wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 22

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-22 Thread David Crayford
I noticed that there is LSP support for Emacs. That's super important in the modern world of language servers. On 23/8/2023 9:32 am, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 08:44:30AM +0100, Rupert Reynolds wrote: I remember using ed. Via a 2400bps modem :-) Aha. Ed and vi are still being

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-22 Thread David Crayford
On 23/8/2023 10:29 am, Steve Beaver wrote: I have tried VI and I find it to slow. I would use eMacs. Prefer to ispf ported to Linux/Unix. https://github.com/daniel64/lspf I have used ISPF for ever and i can out do and any using VI 10 to ispf written for Linux/Unix hahaha! Still finding t

emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-22 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 12:51:00PM +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > I was just using emacs as ordinary text editor > > For me, an ordinary text editor is one that includes a good macro > facility, and I write new macros at the drop of a hat. If and when I > learn emacs, learning LISP will be part

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-22 Thread Steve Beaver
I have tried VI and I find it to slow. I would use eMacs. Prefer to ispf ported to Linux/Unix. I have used ISPF for ever and i can out do and any using VI 10 to ispf written for Linux/Unix Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Aug 22, 2023, at 20:32, Tomasz Rola w

emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-22 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 08:44:30AM +0100, Rupert Reynolds wrote: > I remember using ed. Via a 2400bps modem :-) Aha. Ed and vi are still being praised by various people for their ability to use such a narrow bandwith. > I'm told the thing with emacs is that, if you like it, it can end up being >