Re: Coupling Facility Structure Duplexing

2013-10-14 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
What is your z/OS configuration? Are both CFs in different machines and are z/OS LPARS running on both machines using both CFs? In that case, for Read requests on System Managed Duplexed Structures, XCF is smart enough to determine the nearest CF that will provide the best performance and

flow of STOP command for BPXBATCH

2013-10-14 Thread Matan Cohen
Hi , I wondering what is the flow of the STOP command for STC running a BPXBATCH . lets say i'm having a STC running a shell script under USS using BPXBATCH, if the operator will enter the 'P STCNAME' in the console - what will happen? is the 'STOP' command will be intreppeted as a SIGTSTP signal

Re: RACF

2013-10-14 Thread Ron Wells
Elardus..Sorry did not get back with you... need to get with racf person...made first step...reading and slowly going through this on test lpar to see if we break anything.. we do currently use idcams to backup the database...been in place since ??? we did use dfdss this time to backup and

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Peter X. DeFabritus
Here's a sample job to test new symbol features: //TECH008C JOB (ACCOUNT),'zOS 2.1-Test symbols',CLASS=0,MSGCLASS=X, //NOTIFY=SYSUID,REGION=256M,LINES=99 //OUTDEFLT OUTPUT DEFAULT=Y,JESDS=ALL,CLASS=*

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-10-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdh_-+dmwfscc5e3pmclbs3mub7ttsaxi8pe3fuycve...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/13/2013 at 03:37 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Does BSAM also adjust the zero-origin address offsets in that load module to reflect its 'load address'? Does BSAM look up a pay grade in order to determine

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8474814725533153.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/13/2013 at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: DATA SET NOT FOUND is a JCL ERROR (Read the IEF453I message text), I know what the message text says. Now consider a job with two steps; the first executes a

Re: RACF

2013-10-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ron Wells wrote: Elardus..Sorry did not get back with you... It is all right. Never mind! :-) need to get with racf person...made first step...reading and slowly going through this on test lpar to see if we break anything.. I'm glad for your part. we do currently use idcams to backup the

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-10-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAE1XxDFeYeqAej1CsYx5TajONSTssa7kLi-iDMUf6=buzsc...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/13/2013 at 11:44 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: As he often does, he is here employing an irrelevance Is is often the case, you are confusing a crucial point with an irrelevance. Analogously, Shmuel uses

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8006637451067566.wa.pxdefabrgmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/14/2013 at 07:13 AM, Peter X. DeFabritus pxdef...@gmail.com said: Here's a sample job to test new symbol features: Thanks. I believe that the OP was asking what SDSF showed in the instream dataset rather than in the symbol log.

Re: RACF

2013-10-14 Thread Ron Wells
got ya thanks.. was hoping the setup from BPX.DEFAULT.USER to the new one would be painless..picked up the following and assume this is best steps to take... This sound familiar ?? http://ourdigitalmags.com/display_article.php?id=1124854 From: Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:22:16 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: (We don't yet have 2.1, so I can't experiment.) ... Best of all would be to restore control to the programmer: allow RECFM and/or LRECL to coexist with * or DATA on the DD statement (presently they're mutex). Those values, if coded,

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Peter X. DeFabritus
Here's what SDSF shows in SYSIN (with INPUT ON): DEF CL(NAME(NTSTSTPROD..DS) VOL(*) CYLINDERS(NUMCYLS,1) - 0012 RECSZ(RECSZ,RECSZ) KEYS(4,0))0013 On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 08:44:50 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Barry Merrill
MXG Software separates a true JCL error (i.e. prevents EXECUTION) from an execution JCL error, because the latter jobs did initiate and are thus valid to be included in job service level reporting, whereas the inclusion of JCL errors in those reports is wrong. (However, if they were incorrectly

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:38:44 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 449116443-1381437219-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-919884504-@b4.c1.bise6.blackberry, on 10/10/2013 at 08:33 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said: Can't be MORE until we can edit MORE interactively. Does

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:00:52 +, Bass, Walter W wrote: Shmuel said: snip You can't get JCL error for a condition detectable only at tun time. IMHO, the best way to handle substitution beyond LRECL is to drive the SYNAD exit. /snip Sure you can. There is no way to determine the attributes in

Re: RACF

2013-10-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ron Wells wrote: got ya thanks.. You're welcome. was hoping the setup from BPX.DEFAULT.USER to the new one would be painless..picked up the following and assume this is best steps to take... This sound familiar ?? Yes, but for myself I also need to complete all the steps after more RTFM. I

Re: Coupling Facility Structure Duplexing

2013-10-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 19:22:59 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: The discussion so far has been about SYSTEM-Managed Duplexing. What hasn't been discussed is USER-Managed Duplexing. The latter (DB2 Group Buffer Pools only so POSSIBLY not relevant to the Original Poster)

Re: flow of STOP command for BPXBATCH

2013-10-14 Thread John McKown
Well, under the try and see, I ran a batch job (which should not be any different from using an STC). It did not respond to a z/OS STOP command. I don't know if I did a good test since my UNIX script was just: while /bin/true;do ;sleep 5s ;done I then tried: trap 'exit' TSTP; while

How FTP server assigns DCB attributes

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Wojtukiewicz
I've been using MVS FTP for the longest time. I've encountered this problem but it never presented much of a problem until I had a problem with someone. Our company accepts SMF data that's been compressed via TRSMAIN (LRECL=1024,RECFM=FB). I wrote SMS routines such that if a user signs in using

Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread DASDBILL2
A few people might even still have a long, wide strip from a 2321 data cell. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Benjamin Huntsman bhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:48:11 PM Subject: Re: shark fin We

Re: How FTP server assigns DCB attributes

2013-10-14 Thread John McKown
I am not sure that the following is the reason, but it is likely. When you do a PUT from a z/OS system (client) to another system (z/OS or not), the z/OS client ftp does a SENDSITE command which relays the DCB information of the file being sent to the receiving z/OS system. Other ftp servers tend

Re: How FTP server assigns DCB attributes

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Schwab
6233 is the default for the various device types available when the code was written in the 1960s. 6144 for the linkage editor. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure that the following is the reason, but it is likely. When you do a PUT

Re: flow of STOP command for BPXBATCH

2013-10-14 Thread Tony Harminc
On 14 October 2013 05:28, Matan Cohen matancohen...@gmail.com wrote: I wondering what is the flow of the STOP command for STC running a BPXBATCH . lets say i'm having a STC running a shell script under USS using BPXBATCH, if the operator will enter the 'P STCNAME' in the console - what will

Datacell strip was Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread Clark Morris
On 14 Oct 2013 08:16:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: A few people might even still have a long, wide strip from a 2321 data cell. I think I still have one complete with possible atomic energy secrets from the unclassified installation at Oak Ridge National Laboratories as

Re: How FTP server assigns DCB attributes

2013-10-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:19:32 -0500, John McKown wrote: ... I would have used 0 so that SDB would find the best fit for the receiving device. When was that invented? I would use (without trying it lately): quote site blksize=0 quote site lrecl=1024 quote site recfm=FB ... or just

Re: flow of STOP command for BPXBATCH

2013-10-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:40:09 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: is the 'STOP' command will be intreppeted as a SIGTSTP signal to the program that running under the Shell script? No - nothing will happen. To receive a STOP command you have to use either the __console() or __console2() service to

Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 10/14/2013 11:16 AM, DASDBILL2 wrote: A few people might even still have a long, wide strip from a 2321 data cell. Guilty as charged. I got mine from Dr. Robert Rannie, at a SHARE paddle project session. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont

Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread David L. Craig
On 13Oct14:1239-0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: Guilty as charged. I got mine from Dr. Robert Rannie, at a SHARE paddle project session. Indeed. I am looking at mine again, hanging from my Share 53 badge with the ASCII-art Paddle Project label affixed thereto and the Statue of Liberty I 3 VM

Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 12:39 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote: On 10/14/2013 11:16 AM, DASDBILL2 wrote: A few people might even still have a long, wide strip from a 2321 data cell. Guilty as charged. I got mine from Dr. Robert Rannie, at a SHARE paddle project session. Barry Finkel used to

Re: Datacell strip was Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread zMan
Very SHORT secrets!!! On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.cawrote: On 14 Oct 2013 08:16:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: A few people might even still have a long, wide strip from a 2321 data cell. I think I still have one complete with

Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread Campbell Jay
The Shark fin is about 4 times thicker than I thought it was. Is there a difference between the white and red Lightning bolts ? ( color... ha ha )... but seriously - different models or something ? Would it be a violation of any copyright or patent to make your own ? Didn't see any knockoffs on

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-10-14 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 10/12/2013 3:04 PM, R.S. wrote: Special does not mean new or innovative. PDSE is 20+ yo, but still under construction, and still undocumented (I mean free documentation). My whisky is also 20+ yo, but *it works*. ;-))) We have used PDSE almost exclusively since the mid-1990s. If a PDS is

Re: shark fin

2013-10-14 Thread Campbell, Breck
Anybody got a 3D-printer? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Campbell Jay Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: shark fin The Shark fin is about 4 times thicker than I thought

Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread efinnell15
Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends I've been looking at these for the Holidays...don't know if there's an Adobe or Corel interface. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Steve Comstock
On 10/14/2013 12:56 PM, efinnell15 wrote: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends I've been looking at these for the Holidays...don't know if there's an Adobe or Corel interface. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Bass, Walter W
Steve Comstock said: snip Do you suppose you can use a 3D printer to manufacture a 3D printer? /snip Certainly. Google REPRAP. Bill Bass United HealthCare Greenville, SC This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Campbell, Breck
Hey Mitch, Why are you laughing? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mitch Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends Blahahahaha. Good one

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Steve Comstock
On 10/14/2013 1:20 PM, Bass, Walter W wrote: Steve Comstock said: snip Do you suppose you can use a 3D printer to manufacture a 3D printer? /snip Certainly. Google REPRAP. Bill Bass United HealthCare Greenville, SC Very cool. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Campbell Jay
Is it the primary mission of a nanobot to build replicas of itself ? Jay Campbell IBM OS Support Section -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:51 PM To:

hsm cds question - can we update cds to add new abars version at d.r?

2013-10-14 Thread Michael Bieganski
Help?...We are conducting an offsite disaster recovery drill tomorrow. The tapes with all the vsm and HSM cds files were cut on friday morning and already sent off to the d.r site in N.Y. An application needed to rerun an hsm-abars aggregate backup AFTER the files were on the truck. We re-ran the

OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-14 Thread Kirk Wolf
How great to finally have government information systems built by hipsters http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/06/healthcaregov-code-developed-by-the-people-and-for-the-people-released-back-to-the-people/277295/ A great quote from the article: Jekyll, for those who are

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Jonathan Goossen
All of the ones I have looked at only handle plastic. The printer itself has electronics. It may make a replica, but I don't think it will be a working replica. Thank you and have a Terrific day! Jonathan Goossen, DTM ACT Mainframe Storage Group Personal: 651-361-4541 Department Support Line:

Re: Coupling Facility Structure Duplexing

2013-10-14 Thread Bernard, Michael J
Hello Mark, Just curious as to what the drivers are behind changing your configuration from a balanced one between two CFs vs. keeping everything in one and failing everything over to 2nd CF if/when necessary. Is it strictly performance related?? Curious because we have been running in a

Re: Best Desktop 3D Printers | Digital Trends

2013-10-14 Thread Mitch
Breck: Make a working copy of an electronic device with all the circuit boards, software, ink, rollers, etc. I suspect Obi Wan Kanobe can do this, but with the current technology, highly unlikely. It just struck me as funny. Regards, Mitch -Original Message- From: Campbell, Breck

Potential Home Metal 3D Printer: The Vader - 3D Printing Industry

2013-10-14 Thread efinnell15
Potential Home Metal 3D Printer: The Vader - 3D Printing Industry -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: hsm cds question - can we update cds to add new abars version at d.r?

2013-10-14 Thread EXT-Schwarz, Barry
Hand carry the Journal dataset (ADRDSSU dump?) to the DR site and apply it to the CDSes after everything else is restored. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Bieganski Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:15 PM To:

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4775853117537667.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on 10/14/2013 at 08:45 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com said: No, it doesn't. The 255 byte limit for ISPF edit was removed with ISPF 4.1 in 1994. What about TSO EDIT in V2R1?1 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

2013-10-14 Thread David Crayford
On 15/10/2013 4:21 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: How great to finally have government information systems built by hipsters Hardly hipsters. The project was outsourced to CGI Federal :). There are certainly parallels here with gov.uk, but gov.uk has been a resounding success. It's a bit like one

Re: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5

2013-10-14 Thread John Gilmore
As usual, Shmuel is making at once literalistic and sophomoric debater's points. As my earlier posts emphasized, load modules contain a mixture of text and control information (not necessarily in alternating blocks). Justice Holmes famously observed that freedom of thought is freedom for the

Re: SYSIN Symbol Resolution vs. LRECL

2013-10-14 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
No, it doesn't. The 255 byte limit for ISPF edit was removed with ISPF 4.1 in 1994. The limit was changed then to 32760 for fixed length records and 32756 for variable length records. Now I am really confused. Wasn't it you who quoted from the ISPF help panels that maximum record length