Thank you sir ...So , what happens when a program running in address space
A gets dispatched on a different processor B following an interrupt ?
Doesn't the PSA contents change at that point ? ...Then as a part of
prefixing , the absolute location is mapped to a different block in real
storage .
Now i get it ...thanks a lot for making this clear to me .
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM <
kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote:
> 'Doesn't the PSA contents change at that point ?' ==> No, each PSA remains
> the same. The program's PSA-pointer is just set to the PSA of
Hello Listers ,
Apologies in advance if this is a dumb question . But every time i read the
below paragraph from ABC volumes , i get lost in the middle .
*prefixed storage area*
This area is often referred to as low core. The PSA is a common area of
virtual storage
from address zero through
There is one for each processor, so all address spaces dispatched on the same
processor will access the same PSA. In that way each PSA is common for all
address spaces.
Kees.
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'Doesn't the PSA contents change at that point ?' ==> No, each PSA remains the
same. The program's PSA-pointer is just set to the PSA of the processor it runs
on.
'as the PSA is no longer the same' ==> there is no 'the PSA' there are many
PSAs. 'The' PSA a program sees, is the PSA of the
On 23 Feb 2016 20:46:21 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>Ed Gould wrote:
>>Seriously the issue is absence of debugging tools to find the leak
>>seems like it would be simpler to have them.
>
>Who said they didn't? They had quite excellent problem determination tools
>(plural).
>
>Keep
Hello Manshadi,
it has nothing to do with your query, however ... why would you want to bypass
HOLDERR during APPLY ?Are there other people on this list who would recommend
this practice ? Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH
Munich - Germany
Great Thank you all .
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> From the program's point of view the content of the PSA changes, although
> actually the PSA content has stayed the same, the program is just looking
> at a different one.
>
> It's like
On 2/24/2016 6:52 AM, mansh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:20:06 PM UTC+3:30, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:
I am trying to apply UI15763 PTF on DB2 10 ( z/OS 1.12 ).
The following error is appeared :
GIM23901E ** LINK-EDIT PROCESSING FOR SYSMOD UI12617 FAILED FOR MODULE
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:32:19 +, Walter Marguccio wrote:
>
> ... why would you want to bypass HOLDERR during APPLY ?Are there other people
> on this list who would recommend this practice ?
>
Absolutely. If the APAR text indicates that the error is limited to a certain
hardware or software
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:46:59 +0530, baby eklavya wrote:
>Is there a different place where this concept is documented with more
>details ? ..
Prefixing is documented in the Principles of Operation.
Every processor has its own first page (actually two pages now). The reason
is that there are
By the way PSA = Prefixed Storage Area, not Save area.
Charles
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>From the program's point of view the content of the PSA changes, although
>actually the PSA content has stayed the same, the program is just looking at a
>different one.
It's like looking out the window of a train at "the station." You look two
minutes later and "the station" is different,
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:32:19 +, Walter Marguccio wrote:
>why would you want to bypass HOLDERR during APPLY ?
Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any reference to bypassing error holds.
>Are there other people on this list who would recommend this practice ?
I would not.
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The only risk I have found in the past is -
Understanding how IPCS works
What it is in IPCS that they need?
Otherwise, I have allowed programmers to use it. Saved me from extracting data
from dumps for them.
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Allan wins.
Thank you for the hint.
I remember reading CA at startup creates some symbols. Maybe OSLEVEL is one of
them? OSLEVEL shows up in a D SYMBOLS.
I recoded my OMVS entry thus: OMVS=(00,(4:1).(6:1).),
Success .
Alan Field
Systems Engineer Principal
Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN
On 2/24/2016 12:46 PM, Lopez, Sharon wrote:
What are the risks of giving [IPCS] access to developers?
Mostly, you risk them learning and understanding more about our platform
-- and post-mortem debugging -- than they did previously.
IIRC, IPCS requires READ access to parmlib. If that's an
I am working with a client in Europe that is being requested by his senior
management team to look at outsourcing their IT systems, including their system
z platform.
Would anyone be willing to share any war stories of their experiences with
Outsourcing good or bad?
Offline from the list via
Scott: remove me from all e-dress lists that you have contact with. This is
spam and you should be ashamed for harvesting IBM-Main e-dresses where there
have been *many* unsolicited advertisements for MaaS360 in the past. Your
e-dress has been added to my spam-kill rule.
ps. In Canada,
We just went through a study involving only the mainframe and came away with
the conclusion that for the time being we are doing it cheaper in house than we
could do it outside. Our biggest issue is that the mainframe platform is not
strategic and our applications are steadily migrating off.
We are also in the "research" stage of possibly Outsourcing our z platform so I
would also be interested in hearing the good or bad stories. I will be at
Share next week.
Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Mutual of Enumclaw
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:02:47 -0500, Pinnacle wrote:
>On 2/24/2016 6:52 AM, mansh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Yes I did bypass BYPASS(HOLDSYS,HOLDERR,ID) and use GROUPEXTEND during apply
>> the PTF.
>>
Then you have broken your system. The only way to correct your error
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:31:14 +, Mark Wilson wrote:
>I am working with a client in Europe that is being requested by his senior
>management team to look at outsourcing their IT systems, including their
>system z platform.
>
>Would anyone be willing to share any war stories of their
Think it's more a symptom of the times. Just fire and forget if it don't
work Ctl-Alt-Del fixes everything.
Why train we're getting off this thing in a few months? Or SMP/E's so
simple an eight grader can do it(actual quote). Or ze installed Windows Server
surely zOS can't be much more
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:55:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>By the way PSA = Prefixed Storage Area, not Save area.
I thought I remembered learning it that way too, but all of the documentation
I've been able to find says Prefixed Save Area. That includes
> It's like looking out the window of a train at "the station." You look two
> minutes later and "the station" is different, although actually the station
> has not changed, you are just looking at a different one.
I admit I've had a glass of beautiful wine accompanying my diner, but you've
Harsh, but on target. I now delete posts in both threads based on subject alone.
.
.
.
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:33:55 +, Neil Duffee wrote:
>Scott: remove me from all e-dress lists that you have contact with. This is
>spam and you should be ashamed for harvesting IBM-Main e-dresses where there
>have been *many* unsolicited advertisements for MaaS360 in the past. Your
I wound up leaving a company in Atlanta that I had been with over 17
years when they announced we were under the Y2K force reduction plan.
After Y2K was completed, 46 of us in the support area would be laid off.
We had over 600yrs combined employment with the company. I chose to take
a job I
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:02:47 -0500, Pinnacle wrote:
>On 2/24/2016 6:52 AM, manshadi wrote:
>>
>> Yes I did bypass BYPASS(HOLDSYS,HOLDERR,ID) and use GROUPEXTEND during apply
>> the PTF.
>>
Ouch!
(KurtQ:)
>Bypass HOLDSYS is fine. Bypass HOLDERR should not be used unless you
>require the PTF
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:57:13 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:32:19 +, Walter Marguccio wrote:
>
>>why would you want to bypass HOLDERR during APPLY ?
>
>Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any reference to bypassing error holds.
It appears that parts of this thread are
It would be helpful if you clarified your needs. There are multiple
levels of outsourcing:
Machine is moved, but both systems programming and application
programming remain in-house.
Machine is moved, including systems programming but the applications
remain in-house
Everything is moved.
I
Do you get any other error messages?
What symptoms (other than cannot connect) do you see?
Have you joined the TCPIP List? If not, that might another place to post this
question.
To join, if you have not done so, use this
TCPIP To subscribe, send mail to lists...@vm.marist.edu with
I want to specify a different BPXPRMnn concatenation depending on whether
I'm IPLing z/OS 2.1 or z/OS 2.2. The second member has the filesystem mounts
and they are different depending on which level of z/OS is IPLing.
In SYS1.PARMLIB(IEASYS00) I specify
OMVS=(00,(2:1)(4:1)),
However at IPL
After applying RSU maintenance to our zos1.13 sandbox system I have run into a
problem (that I expected from reading the hold data) with TN3270 and SSL. SSLv2
& 3 are now defaulted to off. All our tn3270 sessions are configured to use
ssl, I tested with TLS and they work fine. I'd like to
On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
SNIP---
BYPASS(PRE), BYPASS(ID): Never! These will create an invalid
configuration,
one which the vendor is unlikely to have tested.
-SNIP
Paul:
I
As long as they stay with their applications there should be no issue.
A standalone dump can contain passwords.
A multi-session manager, like CA/TPX, can also contain passwords.
SVC, SLIP, etc. can contain passwords.
Dennis Roach, CISSP, PMP
IAM Access Administration - Consumer - Senior Analyst
Hey Timothy -
I’ve read quite a bit on blockchain - and agree it could be very game changing
for certain types of applications.
It was stated elsewhere that IBM’s implementation (along with their corporate
and Linux partners) would be open source. Is it available yet?
Cheers
Chad
> On
None.
You should protect your SYS1.DUMP dataset.
In general, protect the data, not the program - unless the program is APF and
bypasses OPEN without a security check.
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:46:34 + "Lopez, Sharon"
wrote:
:>Do others use IPCS instead of systems
On 21 February 2016 at 09:39, Mainframe Mainframe
wrote:
> CSV540E LNKLST SET LNKLST00 is in error.
> DATASET SET SYS1.SERBLINK
> HAS VOLUME ID DOESNT NOT MATCH WITH CATALOG.
>
> Can you please give me little idea on this.
Did it really say "HAS VOLUME ID DOESNT NOT
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:34:33 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
>I was trolling for information on what the 360 indicated in the System/360 (yes
>the old one) and came across this video
Thanks for sharing this, Lizette.
>The S/360 Model 30 had 1MB
>of memory (I think) at the time.
I think the model
Ed Gould wrote:
>Remember the *OLD* days there was a 16MB max on (even) an MP? Never mind
the cost of $10K per meg (if memory serves me on a 168).
Maybe at the end of the 370 era. Per http://www.jcmit.com/memoryprice.htm
it wasn't until 1979 or so that it got that cheap.
I remember $1/byte back
In development groups that are working with ALC/HLASM it is used
all the time from my experience.
Now, for a company with general users, and is not an ISV, if you
have HLASM programmers, yes, let them have it. If you have your
security stuff set up correctly, they can't get to anything with
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 00:58:30 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:59:57 -0600 Tom Marchant
><000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>:>On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:29:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>:>>Hmmm. I am looking at the z PoOps and it never seems to use the
Binyamin:
I agree but to a specific point disagree.
I have been in several shops where read access was given to
SYS1.PARMLIB . Every one of those shops at least one time a month we
were called into a meeting to "discuss" contents of sys1.parmlib.
Those meeting could last 2-5 hours
I was trolling for information on what the 360 indicated in the System/360 (yes
the old one) and came across this video
Thought some might enjoy the walk down memory lane. The S/360 Model 30 had 1MB
of memory (I think) at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4kyTg9Cw8g
Lizette
Those Christmas/Birthday cards that 'sing' when you open them contain,
individually, more computing power than was on the face of the planet in 1950.
-teD
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:02:27 -0600, Ed Gould wrote:
>On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>>
>> SNIP---
>> BYPASS(PRE), BYPASS(ID): Never! These will create an invalid
>> configuration,
>> one which the
Wasn't this referred to, at some point, as the Prefix Storage Area?
And, is it not also used by VM, VSE, and any other multi-CPU SCP?
W/ zArch it became 8K.
Nevertheless, absolute 0 is owned by PR/SM, right?
Oh this takes me back years to an Architecture class and the definitions that
had
CSV540E simply means that dynamic activation with COPYFROM=CURRENT is no longer
going to work . Peter has already explained why this happens and what needs to
be done . Why is OP still beating around the bush ?
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:44:43 -0500
> From: deerh...@ix.netcom.com
> Subject:
On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:34:33 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote:
I was trolling for information on what the 360 indicated in the
System/360 (yes
the old one) and came across this video
Thanks for sharing this, Lizette.
The S/360 Model 30 had
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:28:05 -0600, Tom Marchant
wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 19:51:07 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>>I suspect CA's shenanigans were a motivation for IBM's tightening the rules on
>>SUPERSEDEs a few years prior to that.
>
>How were the rules for SUP
My *recollection* is that the S/360 30 came with up to 48K, or 64K by RPQ. I
could be off, but 1MB sounds incredibly high to me.
Charles
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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes:
> My *recollection* is that the S/360 30 came with up to 48K, or 64K by RPQ. I
> could be off, but 1MB sounds incredibly high to me.
ga24-3231-7, 360-30 functional characteristics pg14 (from bitsavers)
c308kbytes
d30 16kbytes
dc30 24kbytes
e30
Hello Tony,
looks like slightly rephrased:-
DATA SET dsname HAS A VOLUME ID THAT DOES NOT MATCH CATALOG
The provided volume ID, or the volume ID previously found for the data
set, does not match the volume ID now found in the catalog. The data set
found in the catalog might not
> Nevertheless, absolute 0 is owned by PR/SM, right?
The 8 KiB area at absolute 0 is the place where the hardware writes status
information as result of performing the "Store Status" operation. It has
existed for longer than PR/SM. I would say, it is owned by the hardware.
> There is
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes:
> Remember the *OLD* days there was a 16MB max on (even) an MP? Never
> mind the cost of $10K per meg (if memory serves me on a 168).
> Yes the newer machines have more memory but in reality you really
> don't get all that more functionality, and yes
I should have also added that once all the upgrades are done, everything is
migrated back into regular parmlib/proclib.
_
Dave Jousma
Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Engineering
david.jou...@53.com
1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids,
We ran into that situation and ended up
specifying SSLV3 in the Telnetparms for port 992 (Then we converted to
PAGENT and TLS)
TelnetParms
Secureport 992 ; Port number 992 (Secure) sslv3
sslv3 ; Allow SSLv3 connections
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:35 PM,
Do others use IPCS instead of systems programmers? I always thought of it as a
system's programmers tool but now we have application developers that want
access to it. What are the risks of giving access to developers?
Thanks in advance.
Email
I do something similar. I create a SYS1.PARMLIB.UPGRADE that only contains the
members updated for the new release testing. I then add it to LOADxx PARMLIB
concatenation when I want to test the new, and remove it/if when going back.
I do the same for PROCLIB, and add a PROCLIB.UPGRADE to
I coded OMVS=(00,(2:1).(4:1).), (with the periods) and it
still objects.
I'm thinking it doesn't like the symbol since works as you
depicted.
Alan Field
Systems Engineer Principal
Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN
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Is defined in SYS1.PARMLIB(IEASYMxx)?
If So, can you create the results of (x:y) as another symbol?
I coded OMVS=(00,(2:1).(4:1).), (with the periods) and it
still objects.
I'm thinking it doesn't like the symbol since works as you
depicted.
This email including attachments may
Also, according to OA47183 you may also need to install OA46489. Did that occur
as well?
APAR OA46489 fixed the problem it reported but introduced a
new problem. We recommend OA46489 stay installed.
Without OA46489, gsk_environment_open() would default to
enable the SSL V2 and
On 2/24/2016 5:34 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 21 February 2016 at 09:39, Mainframe Mainframe
wrote:
CSV540E LNKLST SET LNKLST00 is in error.
DATASET SET SYS1.SERBLINK
HAS VOLUME ID DOESNT NOT MATCH WITH CATALOG.
Can you please give me little idea on this.
Did it
On 2/24/2016 1:59 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:29:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
Hmmm. I am looking at the z PoOps and it never seems to use the
acronym PSA at all. It simply refers to "Prefixing" and the "Prefix Area."
Right. PSA is an MVS control block.
Replacing FLC
On 2/24/2016 2:11 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
The one reservation I might (still) have is that an IPCS user can look up
anyone's skirt or down anyone's shorts. What's to see? Back to audit. ;-(
You mean with ACTIVE? You can SAF protect so it's "current" address
space only. No more of an
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:59:57 -0600 Tom Marchant
<000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
:>On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:29:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
:>>Hmmm. I am looking at the z PoOps and it never seems to use the
:>>acronym PSA at all. It simply refers to "Prefixing" and the
On 24 February 2016 at 17:53, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>> Right. PSA is an MVS control block.
>
> Replacing FLC from the old, old days.
>
> AFAIK, prefixing did occur until multiprocessing came about...
On the S/360 model 65MP there was prefixing, but no prefix register
for
Hmmm. I am looking at the z PoOps and it never seems to use the acronym PSA at
all. It simply refers to "Prefixing" and the "Prefix Area."
Charles
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It's a major hot button of mine that components sometimes make incompatible
changes such that the parms *required* for one release are *unacceptable* to
another release. This means that a common member cannot be shared concurrently
and also complicates going forward or backward. One workaround
Dave, you get the gold star!
SSLV3 did it!
Thanks to all
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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SSLv3 & SSLv3 -
Yes, OA46489 is on (PTF UA75508).
The error I get is a pop up window with
Unable to establish secure socket
error:1409443E:SSL routine:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert protocol version
The SSL handshake failed
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When I hit a similar issue with z/OS 1.13, I was able to use SSLV3 in
TELNETGLOBALS to revive it.
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Maybe try a period after each variable?
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You coded:
OMVS=(00,(2:1)(4:1)),
Should it be:
OMVS=(00,(2:1).(4:1).),
We use symbols in ours: OMVS=(00,FS,,), Where is
defined as
SYMDEF(='TECH') /* */
SYMDEF(='(1:1).') /* 1 char t, d, p */
SYMDEF(='(1:2).') /* 2 char
Dave, what statements did you add? Thanks
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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SSLv3 & SSLv3 - APAR OA47183, PTF
UA75508 is sup'd by UA76977 on my system.
TELNETGLOBALS
SSLV3
And I am using a keyring in RACF
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:15 PM
> To:
This is anecdotal, of course, so of limited value, but the outsourcing
projects that I've seen be successful were the ones where some local
expertise was retained. The net was that the gruntwork was what was
outsourced; the corporate knowledge remained.
Alas, these seem to be the exception. Far
On 16Feb24:2100-0500, zMan wrote:
>
> I remember $1/byte back in the 360 era. Amazing times.
Even more amazing: according to the https://www.minneapolisfed.org/
inflation calculator, that equates to about $7/byte in today's
dollar's purchasing power.
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 19:51:07 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>I suspect CA's shenanigans were a motivation for IBM's tightening the rules on
>SUPERSEDEs a few years prior to that.
How were the rules for SUP tightened?
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On 24 February 2016 at 15:46, Lopez, Sharon wrote:
> Do others use IPCS instead of systems programmers? I always thought of it as
> a system's programmers tool but now we have application developers that want
> access to it. What are the risks of giving access to
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:29:58 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Hmmm. I am looking at the z PoOps and it never seems to use the
>acronym PSA at all. It simply refers to "Prefixing" and the "Prefix Area."
Right. PSA is an MVS control block.
--
Tom Marchant
I've always been in favor of opening up IPCS to non-sysprog types. With some
caveats. A long time ago IPCS actually required access to SYS1.PARMLIB, which
in my shop at the time was an audit no-no. No longer a problem. The biggest
inhibitor today is probably how useful IPCS would be for
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