Re: LPA Load module hits or usage

2021-10-29 Thread Peter Relson
Mark J wrote: >instruction fetch GTF trace, action=trace, I think Mark meant an instruction fetch SLIP trap with action=trace to get a GTF trace. Or ACTION=STRACE - you won't want to look at the data from the action itself, but this will let a DISPLAY SLIP,ID=xxx show you what you want, if

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread John McKown
Sounds a little better. I, person, will wait for more info. And maybe a few posts here from people who have used it. I imagine my retirement will be filled with mind destroying video game playing.  On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 04:40 Laurence Chiu wrote: > I just received information from IBM directly

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Not having seen the zOSMF method, Since you have not actually seen it yet, please allow me to clarify a few points. > ... I know serverpac full > system replacement needs a usercat (that would become the master cat > if you wanted to replace that and IPL the new system) for allocating > and

Re: Variable length records for SYSIN data sets

2021-10-29 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Thanks to all for helping. I wasn't able to do what I wanted directly with SYSIN, so I ended up using SORT to copy from SYSIN to a file with the same attributes as the other file in the concatenation (VB204). //CVSMB13E PROC //MAILBODY EXEC PGM=SORT //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD *

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Mark Regan
I put in my request on Oct. 21st and still have not heard back from IBM except for the autoresponse email saying that someone from sales will contact me. Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR *CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991* *Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017* On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:40 AM

RES: RES: TS1140 tape transports

2021-10-29 Thread Bodra - Pessoal
It is what I understood from announcement, once tape drives will not connect directly to z/OS channel but to VTS for destage. VTS emulates 3490/3590 and can destage to any kind of tape, it is just a bunch of bits to be recorded in tape. Carlos Bodra IBM zEnterprise Certified São Paulo – SP –

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Keith Gooding
Hi Maria. Yes, I do believe that I can create the next z/os software instance very quickly now that we have a v2.5 instance. We use what the Serverpac dialog called ‘system upgrade’ , retain the existing master catalog and use indirect cataloging. In fact I was so confident that I could do

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Marna WALLE
HI Barbara, ==> I did a 'save as' in the browser and saved the html pages to my laptop. I expected the content to be on my laptop, but it wasn't. When I opened the html pages using notepad, there was some small crap in it that was way too small to be the information I had seen online. I

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Shaffer, Terri
Hi Marna, I think you have captured everything. Like I have stated. I don’t like things done , that I cant see whats being done in the background, because if there is ever an issue, I would have no idea where it failed. Or I can change JCL to fix. Because Some IBM messages are vague..

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Marna WALLE
Hi Keith, Thanks for sharing! I did notice your comment: "I re-ordered the Serverpac because the first order had two target zones (I had assumed that this was because I had accidentally ordered 2 releases of the same product - node.js IIRC - but it turned out to be because I received

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Matt Hogstrom
FWIW I’ve been looking at the offerings to glean the possible uses for open source development. This is my take on investigation and some discussion with IBM through their chat mechanism. IMHO, IBM can eliminate confusion by defining some terms and expectations like what does development

Re: Invalid character in file

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
I doubt that anybody is disparaging curved quotes. What I have seen is people disparaging software that covertly and inappropriately changes one character to another. I refer to such a program as a Molly Malone She died of a favor From which none could save her, And that was the end

Fwd: Mainframes and Open Source – an update

2021-10-29 Thread Mark Regan
http://mainframeupdate.blogspot.com/2021/10/mainframes-and-open-source-update.html Mark Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
ZDNT at $120/year is be attractive for developing open source z/OS software attractive if the license allows it. ZD Personal at $5K/year is too expensive for that purpos, although a hypothetical ZD FOSS version costing more than ZDNT but still only a few hundred dollars would be attractive.

Re: Invalid character in file

2021-10-29 Thread Charles Mills
Well, you're right of course. I saw the original question, thought "I think 1a is a SUB" and was going to look it up to be sure. Then someone else responded that it was a SUB and I just went with that. My bad. So the sequence may have been something like Input perhaps in UTF-8 translated to

FW: Redbooks

2021-10-29 Thread Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
FYI -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Bill Bitner Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:44 AM To: linux-...@vm.marist.edu Subject: Redbooks I do my best to stay out of the rumor business. Chris Konarski just tweeted that is is a misunderstanding.

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Charles Mills
For about $5K per year I find Dallas to be a more attractive proposition. Real z hardware and a modest amount of support. Only restriction AFAIR is "no production data processing." YMMV indeed. zD I guess would give you unlimited CPU time and all the DASD you wanted to buy (you rent additional

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
The devil is in the details. If the TOS allow you to build your own system, then you should be able to do everything at Dallas that you can do on a ZD Whether that is an attractive option depends on the rates. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Chen, Ya-Fang
Kurt, We were able to merge datasets when we used CustomPac Installation Dialog to install ServerPac like the below merged dataset display. Can we still do that through z/OSMF software Management? Thanks. Merge Component Data Sets for: ISP.SISPPENU

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
Do I have to go through the entire workflow for each clone, or can I quickly create multiple clones? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Kurt J.

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology: To clarify terminology I'll rephrase your question to what I think you meant to ask: Does z/OSMF Software Management, and the z/OSMF workflows supplied with the IBM ServerPac portable software instance, support the following

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> We were able to merge datasets when we used CustomPac Installation > Dialog to install ServerPac like the below merged dataset display. > Can we still do that through z/OSMF software Management? Thanks. No, not at the moment, but we are actively developing a merge data set capability for the

Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

2021-10-29 Thread Grant Taylor
On 10/29/21 2:27 PM, Doug wrote: You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them, and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the 2321 a "noodle picker?' Is there any chance that an interview / statement from one or more people with first hand

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Laurence Chiu
I used my personal email account and yet it looked like the IBM rep who emailed me back is associated with the large corporate bank that I'm currently working for even though I didn't use a work email account nor identify myself as such. And I'm not working on the mainframe side with this bank.

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology: 1. There are multiple clones for each release, each with its own SMP and zFS datasets 2. The naming convention for dlib and target volumes encapsulate a release and a clone within the release 3. The naming convention for SMP and zFS

Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker" from [[IBM 2321 Data Cell]] with the explanation "Really remove unreferenced OR". Does anybody have a reliaible source for this usage that I can cite? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> Do I have to go through the entire workflow for each clone, or can I > quickly create multiple clones? You have to go through an entire deployment operation to clone a software instance. If you're deploying the same source software again you can Copy an already completed Deployment which is

Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

2021-10-29 Thread Doug
You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them, and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the 2321 a "noodle picker?' Sorry, no. Doug Fuerst d...@bkassociates.net -- Original Message -- From: "Seymour J Metz" To:

Re: How to list all modules going in with SETPROG ADD command

2021-10-29 Thread Peter Relson
The SMF type 90 subtype 31 record is where the system places all the data related to the command. You could provide an exit routine associated with the CSVDYLPA exit and examine the data passed to the exit routine. You could use the programming interface instead of the command and examine the

Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

2021-10-29 Thread Mike Schwab
Marna WALLE (mwalle) @mwalle ·3h Yeah! The latest PTFs for the z/OS V2.5 Upgrade Workflow refresh closed today (for APAR OA61406). Also, IBM Documentation was updated with that latest refresh export. Check out the Summary of Changes for what was updated.

Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

2021-10-29 Thread Charles Mills
I Googled 2321 noodle picker and got a bunch of hits. I just started to paste them here but they are Google links as long as your arm. Just Google <2321 noodle picker>. Also . Here it is in a "printed newspaper": https://forums.theregister.com/post/637087 I found a SHARE presentation and some

Re: VisualAge PL/I question

2021-10-29 Thread Robin Vowels
IBM OS Optimising Compiler is a product of the 1970s. VisualAge PL/I is a product of the 1990s or post 2000. On 2021-10-30 09:41, Charles Mills wrote: Is VisualAgeR PL/I V2 the same product as 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I Optimizing Compiler V2? Charles

Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

2021-10-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
Wiki has some strange rules, and they prefer secondary sources. To me that sound like a way for errors to creep in, but those are the rules. Anything printed in a trade journal should work. Could there be something in annals of computing? In general, I've found wiki to be a hostile working

VisualAge PL/I question

2021-10-29 Thread Charles Mills
Is VisualAgeR PL/I V2 the same product as 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I Optimizing Compiler V2? Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: VisualAge PL/I question

2021-10-29 Thread Charles Mills
Not the answer I wanted. Seriously, thanks. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Vowels Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VisualAge PL/I question IBM OS

Re: VisualAge PL/I question

2021-10-29 Thread Charles Mills
So @Robin, 5668-235 IBM PL/I for MVS was *after* Optimizing V2 and *before* VisualAge PL/I? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Vowels Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: How to list all modules going in with SETPROG ADD command

2021-10-29 Thread kekronbekron
Or RALTER AUDIT(ALL(READ)) for FACILITY CSVDYLPA.** ? And then use RACFRW, RACFICE, or some such to report it out. - kb ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 2:45 AM, Peter Relson wrote: > The SMF type 90 subtype 31 record is where the system places all the data

Re: FMID to Program Number

2021-10-29 Thread Tom Brennan
That went to my IBM bookmark folder. Thanks! On 10/28/2021 5:18 AM, Shelia Chalk wrote: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zdt/12.0.1?topic=release-zos-23-may-2018-edition try this web site. I found most of the fmid's just the other day. Thanks Shelia Chalk at a bank in MISSISSIPPI

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Pommier, Rex
Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's edition is an acronym for zDoNotTry. I hope I'm wrong because I want to retire some day and when I do, it would be fun to have a cheap z/OS learning system/playground to learn about all the stuff my daytime job doesn't offer me

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Grant Taylor
On 10/29/21 6:38 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote: Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's edition is an acronym for zDoNotTry. I hope I'm wrong because I want to retire some day and when I do, it would be fun to have a cheap z/OS learning system/playground to learn about all

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Pommier, Rex
Yeah, I was trying to make a bit of a funny. Guess it didn't work. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Grant Taylor Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 8:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware On

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Laurence Chiu
It's a shame that those of you in the US are not apparently getting responses from IBM since based on what I have seen posted in this group most people would like to have a copy and would need the criteria. I get a response and since I am not in the US I have to wait until the end of the year;

Re: Performance issues with the FTP API

2021-10-29 Thread Colin Paice
Not an FTP answer, but the two seconds difference is an age! I've seen a problem with long times where it took a long time to establish a session, because it had a DNS set up problem, and the requests were timing out, and trying another DNS server which worked. If you are using abc.xyz.org

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

2021-10-29 Thread Laurence Chiu
I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year. T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post this here