Hi Tony,
Here is my zPDT ADCD z/OS V2.5 Directory:
$ cd /usr/lpp/hzc/lib
$ ls -al
total 4560
drwxr-xr-x 3 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 8192 Sep 7 2022 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 8192 Apr 19 2021 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP 8192 Apr 19 2021 IBM
-rwxr-xr-x 2 OMVSKERN OMVSGRP
On 17/03/2023 9:20 am, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
But doesn't the vendor already have to understand whether or not
separate changes they've made to their product affect each other?
In theory yes, in practice you rely a lot on the compiler to verify
calls between modules etc. It's much easier to do
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 09:09:11 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
>You no longer need to get the open tools for z/OS from Rocket Software -
>there is a new player in town - the z/OS Open Tools project.
>
>
>
Lionel, As others have pointed out, the backend support is really the issue,
not the quality
On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:55:11 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
SJM>
SJM>Does anybody else recall the "initials >" style of quoting?
SJM>
Yes. Was there ever a tool to automate it? How does it play with
"format=flowed"?
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To be fair, even if there is far too much hype, some of the tools are extremely
useful and I am confident that we will one day have true AI, even though half a
century of "next five years" projections have fallen flat.
> Now I'm wondering what it might come up with if asked
I am working with some PL/I code originally developed under the PL/I Optimizing
Compiler V2 and I need to refer to the manuals for that specific version to
answer some questions. Does anyone have access to V2 manuals? I have searched
all over bitsavers and AFAICT they have only V1 manuals.
I meant to add that the sourceid is PUT2208, RSU2209. I'm at RSU2212.
Best Regards,
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023
I used to work for a company and during this time we developed an SYSREXX
launched as soon as possible after IPL, that has the following purposes:
a) Using Showzos, it takes a photo of the current IPL, saving the information
into a Dataset GDG. It has information about IPL addresses, APF
As someone who's long been a skeptic about AI in general, I'm both interested
and maybe a little disturbed by an AI that seems to understand humor on even
this primitive level. Not sure what to make of that.
Now I'm wondering what it might come up with if asked to produce pithy
one-liners,
Thanks for the information Lionel. It’s good to share the efforts and let
folks know. Ideally, from my perspective, IBM should seriously consider adding
an OpenTools offering in z/OS so customers do not have to piece meal these
important tools. My candidates would be:
bash
zsh
git
gzip
I checked my z/OS 2.4 system.
At RSU2008, the zlibs were truncated.
At RUS2212, the files were restored to what appears to be proper length ---
UJ09020 is the latest PTF for this part, at RSU2212.
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A healthcheck would be nice. I normally do check the syslog following IPLs,
but forgot to check this lpar. Had several other lpars being IPL'd.
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I think you are referring to "ELAN". It was a PC used to do work
for automation before MVS got up far enough for Auto operator to
function, as I recall (prior to the BMC buy-out of Boole & Babbage).
And I think that would allow one to trap this kind of issue. But
it has been decades since
It's good on my system. This is the PTF that last updated it all. it's
security / integrity
so you won't find out much about it.
++ PTF (UJ09020)/*
//UJ09020 JOB 5695-09020,SCPX7,MSGLEVEL=(1,1),CLASS=A */ .
++VER(Z038)
If memory serves me right, I think BMC had something in one of the auto
operations products, that was a PC/Server application that acted as a console.
With that, the PC/Server application could take action based on the console
traffic.
But, maybe I dreamed that :)
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 08:35:18 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 09:09:11 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
>
>>You no longer need to get the open tools for z/OS from Rocket Software -
>>there is a new player in town - the z/OS Open Tools project.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Lionel, As others have
I was just pointing out an alternative. Obviously if you need official support
then IBM or Rocket are your only options right now.
Lionel B. Dyck <><
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I've used proprietary software with excellent support, and proprietary software
with terrible support - from the same vendor.
I've used free software with terrible support, and free software with excellent
support. I have nothing but good memories of the support for, e.g. IEBUPDTX,
PDS,
On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 10:41:53 -0400, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>Thanks for the information Lionel. It’s good to share the efforts and let
>folks know. Ideally, from my perspective, IBM should seriously consider
>adding an OpenTools offering in z/OS so customers do not have to piece meal
>these
Hello
.
I need some clarity on SDSF CSR display Common storage remaining Memory
When I use CSR function I see job CSVDJOB listed with
CSVDJOB ECSA ECSA%
I had written:
>CHI would be a better choice than CFI (4-byte instruction vs 6-byte
>instruction)
This is true. But a suitable compare-and-jump instruction (replacing both the
CHI and BE) would probably be better still.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
My high-school best friend and I email each other quite a bit, and carry on
long-winded debates about this and that. Once we started doing it
electronically rather than by hand-written manuscripts, we had quickly to
develop some convention for tracking who said what and in which iteration,
and
I've thought several times about writing something that selects a tagline and
adds it to the current email, but the method I have for rotating taglines is
easy enough that so far it's never seemed worth the bother. Someday I'll get
bored and do it because I'm tired of twiddling my thumbs, I
Ed J wrote
What about MACHMIG? Do you turn off the bit(s) corresponding to a
facility that we wish to pretend does not exist via LOADxx specification?
And it's fair to wonder. We do "cheat" and turn off facility bits in "our copy"
that relate to facilities that the customer, via MACHMIG, has
The lengths are decimal.
If you are on z/OS 2.5 you can issue the JCS action against the row to drill
down to the individual memory blocks.
Rob Scott
Rocket Software
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On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 04:22:39PM +, esst...@juno.com wrote:
> Hello
> .
> I need some clarity on SDSF CSR display Common storage remaining Memory
> When I use CSR function I see job CSVDJOB listed with
I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an
hour into my talk, one of the guys said, "excuse me, what is 'zed'' ". Oops
"zee".
Always amazed how US English strayed from the home origins.
In the North of England we always said zebbra not zeebra. Sarf and Norf are
On 3/17/2023 10:27 AM, Peter Relson wrote:
And it's fair to wonder. We do "cheat" and turn off facility bits in "our copy" that
relate to facilities that the customer, via MACHMIG, has asked not to be exploited for migration reasons. In
practice, for those facilities it is not relevant whether
Hi Guillaume,
I've worked with many Quebeckers who say G-C-L for JCL.
Regards,
David
On 2023-03-17 15:41, Boesel Guillaume wrote:
In France, we say mostly "céé I céé éss" ("I" like in "ship" and not like "Hi").
Few say "kicks".
Guillaume
In Portuguese, we pronounce it like "six".
Best Regards
Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer
Em sexta-feira, 17 de março de 2023 às 17:35:02 BRT, Bob Bridges
escreveu:
In English the letter 'z' is a voiced 's'.
I believe the Italians pronounce it 'ts' like the
In American English that is not entirely the case. We do not say
Sebra for Zebra, nor do we say Sulu for Zulu. The distinction may
be slight, but there is a difference.
Just say'n'.
Steve Thompson
On 3/17/2023 4:34 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
In English the letter 'z' is a voiced 's'.
I believe
The only tools that I'm aware of for that sort of quoting were offline readers,
e.g., OLX.
Format=flowed is for Internet e-mail and I'm not aware of anybody retrofitting
it to BBS software.
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There is a (sort of) rule, that C before I and E is pronounced like T-S
(or S in France, I guess),
but before other vocals like K (as in coffee).
So for us in Germany, CICS as t-s-icks is logical.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 17.03.2023 um 21:10 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
not exactly "six" ... more
In English the letter 'z' is a voiced 's'.
I believe the Italians pronounce it 'ts' like the Germans.
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How do you say "CICS"? In my experience, Americans mostly say
"see-eye-see-ess"; Brits say "kicks"; Canadians are a mixture; and Italians
say "cheeks" (which makes perfect sense, following Italian pronunciation
rules). If your native language isn't English, how do YOU say it?
This is just a
I’ve heard Germans say ‘six’; in Dutch we say ‘kicks’ like the Brits.
René
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 20:15, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> How do you say "CICS"? In my experience, Americans mostly say
> "see-eye-see-ess"; Brits say "kicks"; Canadians are a mixture; and Italians
> say "cheeks" (which
In France, we say mostly "céé I céé éss" ("I" like in "ship" and not like "Hi").
Few say "kicks".
Guillaume
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not exactly "six" ... more like "tsix", the first letter sounds like a Z
in Germany,
a letter T followed by a letter S.
It comes to my mind that most other languages don't pronounce the letter
Z this way,
only we Germans do ... the other (like French and English) simply say S.
For example
Quite. I said a VOICED 's', which is the 'z' sound.
To understand what that means, try hissing a long 's' sound, but speak while
you're doing it. If you're not sure how to do that, try singing it. When you
say 's' with your voice going at the same time, it comes out like a 'z' sound.
Or,
I work with a French Canadian living in Montreal, I think it is, who says
"zed". I flinch a little each time; I keep thinking I'll get used to it, but
so far it keeps catching me by surprise.
We're both mainframers so it's "zed oh ess" this and "zed secure" that and by
now you'd think I'd
On Mar 17, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Wayne Bickerdike
mailto:wayn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Always amazed how US English strayed from the home origins.
Sorry to be pedantic (language history is kind of a hobby of mine), but British
English has “strayed” from what it was in the 17th and 18th centuries as
It looked something like
>SJM >AEN original AEN text
>SJM response to AEN
response to response
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I said "see-eye-see-ess" for years, and still do as a matter of habit. In
the US I sometimes but rarely hear "kicks". But recently I've heard "kicks"
more often, and try to remember to say it that way too at installations
where it seems to be the norm. It doesn't come naturally though.
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Thanks to Mark J for his post about Netview's CANZLOG.
I was going to post that you can somehow tell Netview to manage messages issued
before Netview starts.
But I had no idea exactly how.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
I actually learned it as 'kicks' from an IBM class waaa back in the 1.7
days! That was how the instructors referred to it.
Rex
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Having worked at IBM in the US for 20 years I rarely heard C I C SAnd
personally always said ‘kicks’
Matt Hogstrom
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> On Mar 17, 2023, at 15:15, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> How do you say "CICS"?
>
>
> --
I've always pronounced my ham callsign kay five zed see ...but I use "zee"
elsewhere. "Zed" works better under marginal conditions.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 4:00 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an
> hour into my talk, one of the
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 01:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
> word "router" is,
> because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in
> the end, that BOTH
> ways are correct, like
In the US, I've heard only ROW-ter (or ROUT-er if you prefer) for both
kinds. But you can hear both pronunciations, "ROOT" and "ROUT", for "route"
as in a county road. I think "root" was more usual when I grew up in
Minnesota, but "rowt" is more what I hear here in NC.
...Which is ironic, sort
On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
>
> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
> word "router" is, because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I
> learned in
> the end, that BOTH ways are correct, like
System Automation's "ProcOps" functionality can be used to monitor the
System Console (via HMC/SE connections), which allows for NIP messages to
be observed and managed.
ISQSEND and ISQCCMD are ProcOps commands to interact with remote systems
before or after a "local" automation environment is
I once had to call Mercedes-Benz Customer Service to let them know I had
purchased a new (to me) used car. I gave them the VIN using the iCAO
phonetics. The customer service rep commented on how it was refreshing to
get someone who knew how to give letters phonetically...
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at
Very interesting discussion.
I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
word "router" is,
because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in
the end, that BOTH
ways are correct, like "rooter" and (don't know how to spell the other,
maybe)
Spelling over adverse voice transmission is best dealt with by using
the NATO phonetic alphabet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 5:18 PM Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> I've always pronounced my ham callsign kay five zed see ...but I use "zee"
> elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure Wayne was kidding. But heck, who can resist a little pedantry
now and then?
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Under marginal conditions (which includes cell-phone calls) I use alpha / bravo
/ charlie / ... / x-ray / yankee / zulu. But "zed" is probably unmistakable.
I'm always surprised how many help-desk folks are perfectly comfortable with
that alphabet.
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On 17/3/23 22:41, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
Thanks for the information Lionel. It’s good to share the efforts and let
folks know. Ideally, from my perspective, IBM should seriously consider adding
an OpenTools offering in z/OS so customers do not have to piece meal these
important tools. My
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