Use of shared library region for Unix System Services.

By setting attribute +l onto .so files (and dlls) you can load them into common shared storage. So once it has been loaded, it is available to everyone. I can see this would be great for Java .so files at application startup. I can find little documentation on doing this. Is it recommended? Is

Re: zsh (was: Strange results for the PS1 prompt ...)

As long as they included something that looked like the Bourne shell, adding other shells as options wouldn't have affected POSIX and X.OPEN compliance. Preferences in e.g., desktop managers, languages, operating systems, are highly subjective; if it works for you, that's what matters. Now, if

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

I would consider a person who claims to know what another knows, absent evidence, to be in that category. Ad hominem arguments have no place here. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: zsh (was: Strange results for the PS1 prompt ...)

On 8/18/23 11:42, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:16:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: As long as they included something that looked like the Bourne shell, adding other shells as options wouldn't have affected POSIX and X.OPEN compliance. Bourne shell falls considerable short of

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

On 8/18/23 8:33 AM, Rick Troth wrote: About profiling, I regularly setPS1='\$ ' which for BASH renders a prompt as "$" for normal users but as "#" for superuser. It's convenient. ZSH shows that as "\$" and does not change it when I change UID. Zsh has similar behavior. Zsh uses different

Re: zsh (was: Strange results for the PS1 prompt ...)

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:16:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >As long as they included something that looked like the Bourne shell, adding >other shells as options wouldn't have affected POSIX and X.OPEN compliance. > Bourne shell falls considerable short of POSIX and X.OPEN compliance. I once told

Re: z/OSMF

≫ some path's that were generated either have my ID inserted with the ID being uppercase - our path names are lowercase. Did you check this? Enter values in uppercase, lowercase, or mixed case. The system converts input to uppercase, unless the values are enclosed in single quotation marks,

Re: zsh (was: Strange results for the PS1 prompt ...)

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:25:22 -0400, Rick Troth wrote: >... >DASH is an excellent test shell for shaking out compatibility problems. > But as delivered with many systems it lacks command recall. >Acorse, the best option would be to run scripts against *several* shells >(and DASH, BASH, ZSH,

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

> I want to agree, but I can't. >  I've seen too many differences across too many platforms and too many Unix (like) OSs. >  Getting consistent behavior can become very tricky and you quickly end up away from the purity that -- I think -- that you are talking about. You understand what I am

Re: Has anyone

On 8/17/23 6:28 AM, David Crayford wrote: This joke never fails to amuse me: https://jokejet.com/lady-gaga-tries-to-exit-vim/. I'm as tired of exit vi jokes as I am people acting as if the mainframe doesn't include contemporary technology. Is there anyone left who still uses vi? I use a

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

Tom, I was dropping my son off at ECU yesterday to start his college journey and couldn’t offer a more articulate answer on your question. I am including a link to a good article on Medium.Com that talks about prompt setup for Bash. This is where my TERMINFO comment came

Re: Has anyone

> But I'll counter with, why should people need to learn -- what I'll > politely call -- a non-intuitive editor to do occasional simple edits > of text files? Understood, but vi and emacs are still on my list of software to learn. > I'm not a fan of multiple cursors / editors in the same file.

z/OSMF

We are z/OS V2.4. I am trying to download a software instance and z/OSMF has generated the JCL. The JCL generated has some values that are not correct - some path's that were generated either have my ID inserted with the ID being uppercase - our path names are lowercase. Also one path it

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

What version of bash are you using? Rocket software's port or IBM z/OS Open Tools? Irrespective, bash is an enhanced ASCII application so make sure you have the following environment variables set in your profile login scripts by entering "env | sort" from the shell command line.

Re: z/OSMF

> ... I am trying to download a software instance and z/OSMF has generated the > JCL. > The JCL generated has some values that are not correct - some path's that > were generated either > have my ID inserted with the ID being uppercase - our path names are > lowercase. Also one path it >

Re: vi

The early 1970s PDP-10 (and PDP-8) were the Digital Equipment forerunners of the later DECSYSTEM and VAX computers. They were 6- and 7-bit machines. The Operating System of the PDP-10 that my High School timeshared on in 1973 was TOPS-10. I remember TECO well. Hayim Sokolsky (he/him/his)

Re: vi

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:08:09 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: >In 1978, the class in PDP assembler used ed. Didn't mention vi. >Discovering vi was quite helpful to my progress in the class. > Mavens have cautioned me that I should master ed lest I am ever confined to a terminal lacking the

Re: vi

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 10:41 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: vi > On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:08:09 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: > > >In 1978, the class in PDP assembler used ed.

Re: vi

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:42:41 +, Hayim Sokolsky wrote: >The early 1970s PDP-10 (and PDP-8) were the Digital Equipment forerunners of >the later DECSYSTEM and VAX computers. They were 6- and 7-bit machines. The >Operating System of the PDP-10 that my High School timeshared on in 1973 was

Re: vi

> The early 1970s PDP-10 (and PDP-8) were the Digital Equipment forerunners of > the later DECSYSTEM and VAX computers. No; the PDP-6 and PDP-10 were 36-bit machines. The PDP-5 and PDP-8 were 12 bit machines unrelated to the DECSYSTEM-10 and -20 and the VAX-11. The forerunner of the VAX was

Re: vi

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:37:35 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> The early 1970s PDP-10 (and PDP-8) were the Digital Equipment forerunners of >> the later DECSYSTEM and VAX computers. > >No; the PDP-6 and PDP-10 were 36-bit machines. The PDP-5 and PDP-8 were 12 bit >machines unrelated to the

vi

In 1978, the class in PDP assembler used ed. Didn't mention vi. Discovering vi was quite helpful to my progress in the class. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: vi

What is "PDP"? The 16, 18 and 36 bit architectures are very different from each other. Of the top of my head: 12: LINC, LINC-8, 5, 8 16: 11 18: 1, 4, 7, 9, 15 32: VAX-11 36: 6, 10, DECSYSTEM-20 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

REFRPROT

Has anyone enabled it? I'm not concerned about operating system/ISV problems in 2023, but was wondering if anyone who has enabled it had negative experiences with user programs marked REFR but actually weren't. Mark Jacobs Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com), Swiss-based encrypted

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

On 18/8/2023 8:01 pm, kekronbekron wrote: Does it say in any 3.1 note that zsh is going to be included? zsh port doesn't (publicly) exist yet. It's in the z/OS 3.1 announcement letter that was posted here last week Might want to check the zopen install command for powerline. I recommend

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

While maintaining respect, it can be quite exasperating within a technical forum to come across a "pseudo-expert" or a "know-it-all." It's important to possess a solid grasp of the subject, as otherwise, your contributions might just add to the noise. z/OS UNIX might not be within your realm

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

While, IMHO, zsh should have been included in MVS/ESA SP V4.3 OpenEdition, I don't see it killing bash, due to compatibility. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

zsh (was: Strange results for the PS1 prompt ...)

(Please change the Subject: as the topic drifts.) On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:07:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >While, IMHO, zsh should have been included in MVS/ESA SP V4.3 OpenEdition, I >don't see it killing bash, due to compatibility. > POSIX non-compliance or incompatibility. with bash? My

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

ZSH is a powerful shell and serves as an example of the need for clean and generic profiling. I don't use ZSH heavily, but I maintain it in the Chicory collection. (see below) About profiling, I regularly setPS1='\$ ' which for BASH renders a prompt as "$" for normal users but as "#" for

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

Does it say in any 3.1 note that zsh is going to be included? zsh port doesn't (publicly) exist yet. Might want to check the zopen install command for powerline. --- Original Message --- On Friday, August 18th, 2023 at 17:03, David Crayford wrote: > On 18/8/2023 7:07 pm, Seymour J

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

On 18/8/2023 7:07 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: While, IMHO, zsh should have been included in MVS/ESA SP V4.3 OpenEdition, I don't see it killing bash, due to compatibility. I'm feeling a bit puzzled here! Bash doesn't come pre-installed with z/OS; rather, it's a tool ported by Rocket, so there

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

> I'm feeling a bit puzzled here! Then ask instead of attributing to me things that I didn't write. > Bash doesn't come pre-installed with z/OS; True but irrelevant. Now, were Rocket to stop supporting it, *that* would be relevant. > so there shouldn't be any compatibility problems, right?

Re: REFRPROT

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:19:29 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >Has anyone enabled it? I'm not concerned about operating system/ISV problems >in 2023, but was wondering if anyone who has enabled it had negative >experiences with user programs marked REFR but actually weren't. > REFRPROT is a misdesign.

Re: vi

Pretty sure it was 16 bits. The assembler I was learning used octal notation. The next semester class was 370 assembler using the Struble book. In many ways, I owe my entire career too that class. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Paul Gilmartin >

Re: Has anyone

On 8/18/23 9:57 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Understood, but vi and emacs are still on my list of software to learn. It's been a LONG time since I've gone through it, but I can say that vimtutor (command) worked well for me back in the day. I've had fun playing VIM Adventures

Re: z/OSMF

Thanks - - The IZUPRMxx reference information - fixed one of the issue's This fixed the 2nd issue - that's was what I needed the UNIX directory name - missed it the first time around. Still trying to get familiar with it. Thanks for all the assistance. -Original

BLDL User Data

Hi Just looking the user data I got from a BLDL specifically the entry name I have multiple (4) entry points the BLDL returned the entry /offset in the last entry for PDS2EPA using IHAPDS to map the returned data Was wondering if there was a way to get the other entry points Thanks

Re: BLDL User Data

IIRC there is only entry point in a directory entry for a load library. Other entry points would be in alias directory entries if there are any. -- Tom Marchant On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 17:28:32 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >Just looking the user data I got from a BLDL specifically the entry

Re: Strange results for the PS1 prompt with z/OS Unix

On 8/18/23 11:57 AM, Rick Troth wrote: EXPECT IT, where "expect" means "to require" not "to presume upon". Hold their feet to the fire when the break shit. ACK It's not difficult, but it does count for "eternal vigilance". Yep, making sure that someone / something constantly does things