Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting
Suresh, Maybe Mike went home, so I will answer your question: IBM will always charge the peak of the month, no matter how you changed the MSUs during the month. So if you can delay adding MSUs until the second of the next month, they will not be charged in the current month. Also if you plan to lower the MSUs, do it before the second of the next month, then you will be sure to start the new month with the lower value. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of suresh chacko Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 08:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Corrected version... Mike, That means if i want add or reduce MSU's of the LPAR it's better to perform the change at the beginning hours of 2nd of every month. Kindly confirm. Also advise how IBM will charge on sub capacity changes if I add MSU's on a later day of month. Thanks, Suresh On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Shorkend mike.shork...@gmail.comwrote: And the period is actually the 2nd of each month to the 1st of the following month. On Dec 4, 2013 7:00 PM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Yes, either 744/4=186 four-hour intervals or 720/4 or 180 four-hour intervals. The peak is the highest of those intervals. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Hi, I would like to know how the 4 hour rolling average work in the Sub capacity reporting for a single LPAR. Will it take the average of every four hour in a month(1st day to 30th Day) and produce the peak 4 hour average in a month? Please help me to understand this and Thanks and Regards, Chokalingam The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *SureshNc* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting
Thanks Vernooij. That answers the qn. Cheers On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com wrote: Suresh, Maybe Mike went home, so I will answer your question: IBM will always charge the peak of the month, no matter how you changed the MSUs during the month. So if you can delay adding MSUs until the second of the next month, they will not be charged in the current month. Also if you plan to lower the MSUs, do it before the second of the next month, then you will be sure to start the new month with the lower value. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of suresh chacko Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 08:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Corrected version... Mike, That means if i want add or reduce MSU's of the LPAR it's better to perform the change at the beginning hours of 2nd of every month. Kindly confirm. Also advise how IBM will charge on sub capacity changes if I add MSU's on a later day of month. Thanks, Suresh On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Shorkend mike.shork...@gmail.comwrote: And the period is actually the 2nd of each month to the 1st of the following month. On Dec 4, 2013 7:00 PM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Yes, either 744/4=186 four-hour intervals or 720/4 or 180 four-hour intervals. The peak is the highest of those intervals. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Hi, I would like to know how the 4 hour rolling average work in the Sub capacity reporting for a single LPAR. Will it take the average of every four hour in a month(1st day to 30th Day) and produce the peak 4 hour average in a month? Please help me to understand this and Thanks and Regards, Chokalingam The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *SureshNc* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
Re: Has anyone measured CPU savings using external SORT's vs. internal (COBOL) SORT's?
A bit late to the discussion but did the O.P. consider REPLACING the COBOL code with a pure DFSORT / ICETOOL implementation? That MIGHT remove duplicate data moves. Such a process a customer and I worked together on last week took a 200 minute job and made it run in 10 minutes. YMMV. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 04/12/2013 15:57 Subject:Re: Has anyone measured CPU savings using external SORT's vs. internal (COBOL) SORT's? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu On 2 Dec 2013 06:14:42 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Sorry about the late reply. The last time I seriously looked, the COBOL sort verb invoked the installation sort (DFsort, SYNCSORT,). The COBOL program effectively became the E15/E35 sort exits. On that basis, I would not expect any significant difference in CPU time consumed, *AND* as someone previously noted, a possible significant increase in elapsed time. HTH, snip It has been suggested to management here that there could be potentially significant CPU savings from re-engineering application programs such that any SORT's are done in a separate step, so that a program with a single internal SORT would be broken up into a pre-SORT process followed by an external SORT of the massaged data followed by a post-process of the SORTed data. /snip While the sort products do more efficient I/O than the standard access methods, this advantage is lost because an extra file may be written for the sort to read. In the past the major saving by using stand alone sorts was due to main memory limitations. By giving more memory to the sort the number of intermediate passes could be reduced. In today's environment that normally is not a consideration. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
In CAE1XxDF6a57+wPEJsLQesOTun3OFeq-ObR=zudw++gw9ceg...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 10:09 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, Of course we are. We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, No. We're dealing with a web page that has labels that do not correspond with what the search engine actually does. There is no ambiguity in exact. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 12/04/2013 at 07:46 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Common sense is frequently wrong. Try that. BTDT,GTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
In caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
In 1mhu99pv4m3ki96ug6d0g46nb44j1bc...@4ax.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:16 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: What was the VMS facility like? Part of the naming syntax was a version number, and there was a command to control how many versions of a specific file to retain. If you omitted the version number then you got the most recent version. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting
Depending, of course, on whether you have cyclic workload peaks and where during the month they fall. For example, if all your hottest 4-hour averages are consistently during the last week of the month, then typically the effect of changes will only be seen when you encounter that cyclic peak and it won't really matter when you make the change during off-peak weeks. Joel C Ewing On 12/05/2013 02:09 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Suresh, Maybe Mike went home, so I will answer your question: IBM will always charge the peak of the month, no matter how you changed the MSUs during the month. So if you can delay adding MSUs until the second of the next month, they will not be charged in the current month. Also if you plan to lower the MSUs, do it before the second of the next month, then you will be sure to start the new month with the lower value. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of suresh chacko Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 08:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Corrected version... Mike, That means if i want add or reduce MSU's of the LPAR it's better to perform the change at the beginning hours of 2nd of every month. Kindly confirm. Also advise how IBM will charge on sub capacity changes if I add MSU's on a later day of month. Thanks, Suresh On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Shorkend mike.shork...@gmail.comwrote: And the period is actually the 2nd of each month to the 1st of the following month. On Dec 4, 2013 7:00 PM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Yes, either 744/4=186 four-hour intervals or 720/4 or 180 four-hour intervals. The peak is the highest of those intervals. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Hi, I would like to know how the 4 hour rolling average work in the Sub capacity reporting for a single LPAR. Will it take the average of every four hour in a month(1st day to 30th Day) and produce the peak 4 hour average in a month? Please help me to understand this and Thanks and Regards, Chokalingam ... -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting
And then, of course, those pesky end-users do billion row queries all at the same time and your peaks get set higher than normal. Suresh, take a look at potentially using group capacity coupled with lpar-level defined capacity. See if that combination gives you the level of control you are looking to achieve. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Depending, of course, on whether you have cyclic workload peaks and where during the month they fall. For example, if all your hottest 4-hour averages are consistently during the last week of the month, then typically the effect of changes will only be seen when you encounter that cyclic peak and it won't really matter when you make the change during off-peak weeks. Joel C Ewing On 12/05/2013 02:09 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Suresh, Maybe Mike went home, so I will answer your question: IBM will always charge the peak of the month, no matter how you changed the MSUs during the month. So if you can delay adding MSUs until the second of the next month, they will not be charged in the current month. Also if you plan to lower the MSUs, do it before the second of the next month, then you will be sure to start the new month with the lower value. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of suresh chacko Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 08:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Corrected version... Mike, That means if i want add or reduce MSU's of the LPAR it's better to perform the change at the beginning hours of 2nd of every month. Kindly confirm. Also advise how IBM will charge on sub capacity changes if I add MSU's on a later day of month. Thanks, Suresh On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Shorkend mike.shork...@gmail.comwrote: And the period is actually the 2nd of each month to the 1st of the following month. On Dec 4, 2013 7:00 PM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Yes, either 744/4=186 four-hour intervals or 720/4 or 180 four-hour intervals. The peak is the highest of those intervals. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Hi, I would like to know how the 4 hour rolling average work in the Sub capacity reporting for a single LPAR. Will it take the average of every four hour in a month(1st day to 30th Day) and produce the peak 4 hour average in a month? Please help me to understand this and Thanks and Regards, Chokalingam ... -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting
Suresh said the question was anwered. I think we are creating complicating situations that ask for even more complicated solutions. I thing lowering MSUs on the 1st of the month and raising the MSUs on the 2nd, simply prevents unintended billing problems, without having to care about (un)controlled cyclics and definitely uncontrolled users. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 16:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting And then, of course, those pesky end-users do billion row queries all at the same time and your peaks get set higher than normal. Suresh, take a look at potentially using group capacity coupled with lpar-level defined capacity. See if that combination gives you the level of control you are looking to achieve. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Depending, of course, on whether you have cyclic workload peaks and where during the month they fall. For example, if all your hottest 4-hour averages are consistently during the last week of the month, then typically the effect of changes will only be seen when you encounter that cyclic peak and it won't really matter when you make the change during off-peak weeks. Joel C Ewing On 12/05/2013 02:09 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Suresh, Maybe Mike went home, so I will answer your question: IBM will always charge the peak of the month, no matter how you changed the MSUs during the month. So if you can delay adding MSUs until the second of the next month, they will not be charged in the current month. Also if you plan to lower the MSUs, do it before the second of the next month, then you will be sure to start the new month with the lower value. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of suresh chacko Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 08:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Corrected version... Mike, That means if i want add or reduce MSU's of the LPAR it's better to perform the change at the beginning hours of 2nd of every month. Kindly confirm. Also advise how IBM will charge on sub capacity changes if I add MSU's on a later day of month. Thanks, Suresh On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Shorkend mike.shork...@gmail.comwrote: And the period is actually the 2nd of each month to the 1st of the following month. On Dec 4, 2013 7:00 PM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Yes, either 744/4=186 four-hour intervals or 720/4 or 180 four-hour intervals. The peak is the highest of those intervals. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Hi, I would like to know how the 4 hour rolling average work in the Sub capacity reporting for a single LPAR. Will it take the average of every four hour in a month(1st day to 30th Day) and produce the peak 4 hour average in a month? Please help me to understand this and Thanks and Regards, Chokalingam ... -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart
Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting
Kees, It prevents nothing if the horses have already left the barn (if he has already hit his peak for the month). Now if Suresh can tell us that he is tracking the four-hour rolling average and knows that his workload definitely increases on the first of the month, then perhaps his idea has merit from a SCRT billing perspective. Executives might think otherwise if he caps things that day and their pet reports are delayed due to those caps. BTDT...YMMV Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Suresh said the question was anwered. I think we are creating complicating situations that ask for even more complicated solutions. I thing lowering MSUs on the 1st of the month and raising the MSUs on the 2nd, simply prevents unintended billing problems, without having to care about (un)controlled cyclics and definitely uncontrolled users. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Richards, Robert B. Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 16:39 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting And then, of course, those pesky end-users do billion row queries all at the same time and your peaks get set higher than normal. Suresh, take a look at potentially using group capacity coupled with lpar-level defined capacity. See if that combination gives you the level of control you are looking to achieve. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Depending, of course, on whether you have cyclic workload peaks and where during the month they fall. For example, if all your hottest 4-hour averages are consistently during the last week of the month, then typically the effect of changes will only be seen when you encounter that cyclic peak and it won't really matter when you make the change during off-peak weeks. Joel C Ewing On 12/05/2013 02:09 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Suresh, Maybe Mike went home, so I will answer your question: IBM will always charge the peak of the month, no matter how you changed the MSUs during the month. So if you can delay adding MSUs until the second of the next month, they will not be charged in the current month. Also if you plan to lower the MSUs, do it before the second of the next month, then you will be sure to start the new month with the lower value. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of suresh chacko Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 08:42 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Corrected version... Mike, That means if i want add or reduce MSU's of the LPAR it's better to perform the change at the beginning hours of 2nd of every month. Kindly confirm. Also advise how IBM will charge on sub capacity changes if I add MSU's on a later day of month. Thanks, Suresh On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Shorkend mike.shork...@gmail.comwrote: And the period is actually the 2nd of each month to the 1st of the following month. On Dec 4, 2013 7:00 PM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Yes, either 744/4=186 four-hour intervals or 720/4 or 180 four-hour intervals. The peak is the highest of those intervals. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: 4-Hour Rolling Average in sub capacity reporting Hi, I would like to know how the 4 hour rolling average work in the Sub capacity reporting for a single LPAR. Will it take the average of every four hour in a month(1st day to 30th Day) and produce the peak 4 hour average in a month? Please help me to understand this and Thanks and Regards, Chokalingam ... -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site:
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the otelnetd UNIX daemon that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread _seems to me_ to implement this fairly well. It works fine with both the Linux and Windows telnet command. In our shop, this gets the user a z/OS UNIX shell environment which is similar to a Linux shell prompt or a Windows cmd.exe prompt. In my case, on the Linux side, before I do the telnet command, I do an export TERM=xterm. z/OS UNIX does not understand the normal TERM value of xterm-256color set by the Konsole command shell which I use on Linux. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
CoD On/Off (capacity on demand) question
Technical question about CoD: I have 706 machine with CoD contract. That means I can temporarily upgrade it do 712 (up to 100% actually, 712 is 100%, nevermind). Of course the more CPs activated the more money is to paid. On resourcelink I generate an Order - electronic record. I specify order details - how many MSU I want to add. I choose one of listed values, minimum is single CP, maximum is last value below 100%. Let's say I've chosen model 710 - 4 cp's more than permanently. Now the question: is it possible to order 4-CP worth Order and then activate it partially? The following scenarion comes to mind: I ordered 4 CPs due to money limits. In case of need I activated one CP of the 4 in the Order. Then - if it's still to little - I activate another one, etc. To be honest I did it once, many years ago, and I added then 18 CPs, however I didn't have to pay for it ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2013 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.555.904 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is it's own thang Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 1mhu99pv4m3ki96ug6d0g46nb44j1bc...@4ax.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:16 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said: What was the VMS facility like? Part of the naming syntax was a version number, and there was a command to control how many versions of a specific file to retain. If you omitted the version number then you got the most recent version. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:38:46 -0500, Scott Ford wrote: I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is it's own thang What's *nix like? On a cursory brush, I believe VMS has a hierarchic filesystem. That's *nix like. It doesn't have an ALLOCATE command. That's *nix like. Its files can have attributes. That's MVS-like. I knew two programmers: one transplanted from a UNIX environment to VMS who spent much effort customing his VMS profile to make VMS behave like UNIX; the other transplanted from a UNIX environment who tried to make VMS behave like UNIX. Myself? I spent (wasted) enormous effort trying to make the uglier parts of XEDIT behave like their nicer ISPF analogues. VMS delimits its version numbers with ';'. Imagine how that must infuriate anyone accustomed to using ';' as a command separator. And an alien once asked me, VM is a version of MVS, isn't it? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I concluded, based on context). We're getting pretty far OT here, not that that's anything new. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NSA foils much internet encryption
Why did the NSA even bother to get a internet tap, when they could have just re-routed packets through their servers? (Maybe the extra delay is causing our messages to be re-sent creating duplicate messages?) http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/12/bgp-hijacking-belarus-iceland/ Earlier this year, researchers say, someone mysteriously hijacked internet traffic headed to government agencies, corporate offices and other recipients in the U.S. and elsewhere and redirected it to Belarus and Iceland, before sending it on its way to its legitimate destinations. They did so repeatedly over several months. But luckily someone did notice. And this may not be the first time it has occurred — just the first time anyone has noticed. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:53:28 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24429332 NSA using old versions of Firefox to infect PCs in order to identify TOR users. Will virus scanners detect such infections, or has NSA arranged that the scanners themselves have an Acquired Immune Deficiency? NSA unable to break TOR itself. GO TOR developer U.S. Navy (who needed a secure way to share messages with submarines). -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
Yep..but on Switzerland French shall we say interesting like the Swiss German Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I concluded, based on context). We're getting pretty far OT here, not that that's anything new. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NSA foils much internet encryption
Microsoft finally woke up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/05/microsoft-u-s-government-is-a-potential-security-threat/ Microsoft is trying to change the terms of the NSA debate — literally. The company is labeling any government effort to spy on its online communications as evidence of an advanced persistent threat, a term that's so far been reserved to describe foreign espionage units such as the one allegedly operated by the Chinese military. more at the link -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: CoD On/Off (capacity on demand) question
Yes. When you request to add capacity on the HMC you are presented with a list of all increments from your base up to the maximum CoD. Last year we made our 509 a 510, then a 512 and back to a 511. Alan Field Technical Engineer Principal BCBS Minnesota Phone: 651.662.3546 Mobile: 651.428.8826 From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 12/05/2013 12:17 Subject:CoD On/Off (capacity on demand) question Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Technical question about CoD: I have 706 machine with CoD contract. That means I can temporarily upgrade it do 712 (up to 100% actually, 712 is 100%, nevermind). Of course the more CPs activated the more money is to paid. On resourcelink I generate an Order - electronic record. I specify order details - how many MSU I want to add. I choose one of listed values, minimum is single CP, maximum is last value below 100%. Let's say I've chosen model 710 - 4 cp's more than permanently. Now the question: is it possible to order 4-CP worth Order and then activate it partially? The following scenarion comes to mind: I ordered 4 CPs due to money limits. In case of need I activated one CP of the 4 in the Order. Then - if it's still to little - I activate another one, etc. To be honest I did it once, many years ago, and I added then 18 CPs, however I didn't have to pay for it ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
W dniu 2013-12-05 19:38, Scott Ford pisze: I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is it's own thang In simple words: No. VMS is similar to ...VMS, and maybe older DEC systems which I don't know (RSX-11 AFAIR). Few concepts of VMS: Unix has single root, VMS has drives similar to DOS/Windows (AFAIR not drive LETTER, but drive NAME) both systems use directory, subdirectory concept to for grouping files another syntax, square parentheses are used for pathname interesting thing: [...] means this directory and all subdirectories. Can be used for i.e. DEL *.BAK in whole tree. Filename is file.extension both components up to 40 characters. only two components (qualifiers) allowed. Second qualifier plays role similar to DOS extension, i.e. LOGIN.COM is king of .profile or AUTOEXEC.BAT and it's executable script. Files also have third part: version, usually omitted. Full name is FILE.EXTENSION;version (a number). All file names were uppercase charcters allowed wer similar to MVS. No tricky names possible (try to use filename * in Unix and then delete it). Directories can be nested up to 8 levels. further nesting is allowed, but indirectly: you have to create 'symbolic' drive at some directory level. Most files are plain like in unix or DOS/Windows, but some file can have internal structure - like PS, or VSAM. Commands are much longer than in Unix. Command syntax is similar to DOS, but command names and parameters tend to be longer. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzib w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2013 r. kapita zakadowy mBanku S.A. (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.555.904 zote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: And an alien once asked me, VM is a version of MVS, isn't it? cms had about 64kbytes of code that was the os simulator that allowed os compilers and many applications to run unmodified. the burlington mall vm370 development group was working on a much more complete coverage of os simulation ... joke about cms 64kbyte os/360 simulation was much more cost effective than mvs 8mbyte os/360 simulation. this was about the time the FS effort failed, mad rush to get products back into the 370 pipeline (having been suspended and/or killed off during the FS period) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys head of POK also managed to convince corporate to kill the vm370 product, shutdown burlington mall group, and transfer all the burlington mall developers to POK or otherwise MVS/XA wouldn't ship on time. Endicott eventually managed to save the vm370 product mission but had to reconstitute a development group from scratch. the shutdown of burlington was going on in extreme secret, not planning on telling the people until a few weeks before it was effective ... minimizing the number of people that would be able to escape the move to POK. however, the shutdown managed to leak a few months early ... and numerous people managed to escape ... so many going to work at DEC on VMS (very early in its development, well before first VMS release shipped) ... that somebody observed that the head of POK was one of the biggest contributors to VMS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX The major expansion of os/360 simulation for cms disappeared in the shutdown of the burlington mall group ... and the major person responsible was one of those that went to DEC. old post with decade of vax/vms numbers sliced and diced by year, model, US/non-US ... etc: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#0 vax/vms sold into much the same mid-range market against vm/4300 ... and in similar numbers ... for small order sizes (one or few machines). A big difference was large corporations ordering several hundred vm/4300s at a time for deployment out in departmental areas. A past post mentioning explosion in vm/4300 departmental machines http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#15 departmental servers the explosion of vm/4300 machines inside ibm was one of the reasons the internal network passed 1000 nodes in 1983 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
Gil and R.S., I was curious about VMS because I haven't worked on that platform. Worked many others in a past life supporting LU 6.2 file transfer on 26 platforms. But that was like a lifetime ago. I went from OS/VS2 to VSE to VM/VSE , then MVS so I feel your pain Gil Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 13:38:46 -0500, Scott Ford wrote: I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is it's own thang What's *nix like? On a cursory brush, I believe VMS has a hierarchic filesystem. That's *nix like. It doesn't have an ALLOCATE command. That's *nix like. Its files can have attributes. That's MVS-like. I knew two programmers: one transplanted from a UNIX environment to VMS who spent much effort customing his VMS profile to make VMS behave like UNIX; the other transplanted from a UNIX environment who tried to make VMS behave like UNIX. Myself? I spent (wasted) enormous effort trying to make the uglier parts of XEDIT behave like their nicer ISPF analogues. VMS delimits its version numbers with ';'. Imagine how that must infuriate anyone accustomed to using ';' as a command separator. And an alien once asked me, VM is a version of MVS, isn't it? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine Think idiom. First relevant Google hit: http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/cava.htm (Spelling: ça va.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NSA foils much internet encryption
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 15:19:55 -0600, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft finally woke up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/05/microsoft-u-s-government-is-a-potential-security-threat/ Microsoft is trying to change the terms of the NSA debate � literally. The company is labeling any government effort to spy on its online communications as evidence of an advanced persistent threat, a term that's so far been reserved to describe foreign espionage units such as the one allegedly operated by the Chinese military. Related: http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/05/apple-slips-in-warrant-canary-to-warn-users-of-future-compliance-with-patriot-act-section-215-information-requests/ ... and my vocabulary is enlarged. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Base-less programming
Ouch. SO true. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I've seen a lot of baseless programming in my life. Had no idea you were talking about registers in assembler. g Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 3:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Base-less programming Apologies for those who saw this post and said WTF? - wrong list. Hey, it's Wednesday. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
Tony Harminc wrote: Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary to their claim) restrict the search to the exact quoted string. The Search Tools appear on *results* pages, to refine them. Sorry, I totally buggered this up by not mentioning that wee detail! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Base-less programming
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Ouch. SO true. Yes. In this same vein, but a bit more seriously, why don't we start using RI-programming (for Relative Immediate) or RelImm-programming. Because there is _no_ way that I can think of to write _useful_ code which does not use at least a few base+displacement instructions. At the very least for the incoming parameter list. Well, maybe a random() type program could be written without using any base+displacement instructions if it did some sort of manipulation of the data returned by the STCKE instruction instead of having a seed and basing the current result on the previous one. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I've seen a lot of baseless programming in my life. Had no idea you were talking about registers in assembler. g Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 3:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Base-less programming Apologies for those who saw this post and said WTF? - wrong list. Hey, it's Wednesday. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
U.S. bill patent troll bill passes the House.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/government/patent-troll-bill-clears-house-huge-majority-232218 This _sounds_ good to me. But I ASSuME that they have written something reasonable. OOPS, my bad. -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
Gil, Your correct it's an idiom..slang...more or less...in 3 yrs in Switzerland I learned I needed a better accent to speak French and Swiss German and don't ask for items in French in a Swiss German canton or State..it ain't pretty Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine Think idiom. First relevant Google hit: http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/cava.htm (Spelling: ça va.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Base-less programming
Fines are serious pain, worked in banking , every minute the SDLC line was down to the Fed. The bank was being fine $$$ ..per min, it gives all new meaning to pressure, oh yeah John, I hear you have been there when it's ugly Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:05 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Ouch. SO true. Yes. In this same vein, but a bit more seriously, why don't we start using RI-programming (for Relative Immediate) or RelImm-programming. Because there is _no_ way that I can think of to write _useful_ code which does not use at least a few base+displacement instructions. At the very least for the incoming parameter list. Well, maybe a random() type program could be written without using any base+displacement instructions if it did some sort of manipulation of the data returned by the STCKE instruction instead of having a seed and basing the current result on the previous one. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I've seen a lot of baseless programming in my life. Had no idea you were talking about registers in assembler. g Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 3:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Base-less programming Apologies for those who saw this post and said WTF? - wrong list. Hey, it's Wednesday. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9239984/OpenVMS_R.I.P._1977_2020_ On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: I always thought VMS was *nix like??? If not what opsys is it similar too or is it's own thang Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
