Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Timothy Sipples]

Parwez Hamid wrote:
>IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX.

IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat
completes, that'll change.

>Hitachi’s operating system, VOS

Hitachi's operating system is now called VOS3/XS in its latest iteration,
introduced in 2018. VOS3/XS runs on the new Hitachi AP1 model machines,
also introduced in 2018. IBM is Hitachi's system technology partner, but
VOS3 does not run on today's IBM Z machines. VOS3 runs on Hitachi's
machines. The latest Hitachi AP1 is a "cousin" to the IBM z14 ZR1.

Historically, for a couple IBM Z model cycles and with a little adaptation,
VOS3 did run quite well on IBM Z machines. It was VOS3/LS back then, if I'm
correct about vintages. Hitachi built the IBM z800 model for the global
market (including Japan) using IBM processors, and Hitachi also built a
variant of that model for Japan to run VOS3/LS, the VOS3 update introduced
in 2002 that incorporated a very little bit of 64-bit-ness. I think there
was enough VOS3/LS compatibility in the IBM z800, z890, and z9BC (those
three models as I recall) so that it'd run well on the IBM machines, with a
bit of adjustment.

Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
>MUSIC/SP, but I don't know

MUSIC/SP would have some problems starting up on an IBM z14 machine, but I
suspect it'd still run under z/VM with SET MACH ESA. It'd have to be
MUSIC/SP 6.1 or higher, and you would need permission from its copyright
holders.


Timothy Sipples
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Ca7 auto-ticketing with ServiceNow tool

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

Super generic question.
Best to check the ServiceNow documentation for info on integrations.
This isn't a mainframe question as much as it is a ServiceNow question, so... 
edging on wrong forum, maybe!

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Ca7 auto-ticketing with ServiceNow tool

Hello Everyone,

Could someone please help me with below request!!

Wanna know if there is anyone implemented auto-ticketing integration from
CA7 Scheduler to Service Now ticketing tool whenever there is a job failure 
occurs?

And I also want to know whether we have any option to create a Service Now 
Incident ticket via an email?

Thanks in advance!!


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000.
LMAO!

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Bernd Oppolzer
Sent: 24 January 2019 23:11
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.:
> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
>> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the
>> older ones.
>>
>> You can add the following:
>>
>> KVM
>> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
>
> Well, IT DEPENDS.
>
> KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it
> Linux? Maybe, but specialized.
>
> VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to
> legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK.
>
> There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE
> AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned
> with (paid) agreement from IBM.


BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called 
BS2000/OSD.
It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from MVS or 
VSE, AFAIK.
Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar to IBM 
360 (RCA Spectra ...).

There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or
Fujitsu) had to
cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

Now this reply, I like!

- Vignesh
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Sent: 24 January 2019 16:48
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU.
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> From: John McKown 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 01/24/2019 09:18 AM
> Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Sent by: IBM Mainframe
> Discussion List 
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
> 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
> >
> > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
and
> > >z/Linux. Are there any others?
> >
> > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though
> > they might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL
> > in
OS/390
> > mode.
> >
> > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System
> > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390 TSS
> >
> > --
> > Tom Marchant
> >
> >
> Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it
> "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia"
with
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Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Dale R. Smith]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 19:41:43 -0700, Lizette Koehler  
wrote:

>So when I look at the compiler options, they have DATA(31)
>
>ALL31 in LE is OFF
>
>Only things I can think of for now.
>
>Lizette

The DATA option only applies if RENT is also specified.  The COBOL RMODE option 
can also affect where a COBOL program is loaded.  If RMODE is set to AUTO and 
RENT is specified, then RMODE is ANY, (DATA option would also be in effect).  
If RMODE is set to AUTO and NORENT is specified, then RMODE is set to 24.  
RMODE can also be explicitly set to ANY or 24.  And of course, if other 
programs are included at Link Edit/Bind time that are set to RMODE 24, then the 
resulting Load Module would be RMODE 24 regardless of the COBOL RMODE setting.

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Ca7 auto-ticketing with ServiceNow tool

[Rajesh Janakiraman]

Hello Everyone,

Could someone please help me with below request!!

Wanna know if there is anyone implemented auto-ticketing integration from
CA7 Scheduler to Service Now ticketing tool whenever there is a job failure
occurs?

And I also want to know whether we have any option to create a Service Now
Incident ticket via an email?

Thanks in advance!!


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Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta)]

DATA(31) - allocates working storage above-the-line
DATA(24) - allocates working storage below-the-line

ALL31 being OFF - is probably what is needed in a mixed  environment.
ALL31 being ON - would say that you have no below-the-line programs for COBOL 
to deal with.


Thanks,

Tom Savor
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Subject: Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above 
the line?

So when I look at the compiler options, they have DATA(31)

ALL31 in LE is OFF

Only things I can think of for now.

Lizette

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Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Lizette Koehler]

So when I look at the compiler options, they have DATA(31)

ALL31 in LE is OFF

Only things I can think of for now.

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Steve Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol
> above the line?
> 
> DATA(24) may be their problem. But, you can’t change it if csects are
> statically linked that are RMODE 24.
> 
> I’m fixing some issues like this now for ENT COBOL 4.2 where I work. The
> routines are ALC.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct
> mistaks
> 
> 
> > On Jan 24, 2019, at 8:06 PM, Lizette Koehler 
> wrote:
> >
> > A friend of mine is having a bit of problem with a Cobol program.  WS
> > is about 7M in size below the line.  This creates the perfect
> > environment for S878-10 abends.
> >
> > Is there a compiler option that would move WS above the line?  Or is
> > there a different solution.  If there is an option, what level of
> > Cobol did it show up in?
> >
> >
> > No, I do not know what they are doing.  But I am told they cannot
> > change the code.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Lizette Koehler
> > statistics: A precise and logical method for stating a half-truth
> > inaccurately
> >

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Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Steve Thompson]

DATA(24) may be their problem. But, you can’t change it if csects are 
statically linked that are RMODE 24. 

I’m fixing some issues like this now for ENT COBOL 4.2 where I work. The 
routines are ALC.

Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct 
mistaks 


> On Jan 24, 2019, at 8:06 PM, Lizette Koehler  wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine is having a bit of problem with a Cobol program.  WS is about
> 7M in size below the line.  This creates the perfect environment for S878-10
> abends.
> 
> Is there a compiler option that would move WS above the line?  Or is there a
> different solution.  If there is an option, what level of Cobol did it show up
> in?
> 
> 
> No, I do not know what they are doing.  But I am told they cannot change the
> code.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Lizette Koehler
> statistics: A precise and logical method for stating a half-truth inaccurately
> 
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Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta)]

Use DATA(31)

Thanks,

Tom Savor
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Of Doug
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above 
the line?

What version of COBOL?

.

On Jan 24, 2019, at 20:06, Lizette Koehler  wrote:

A friend of mine is having a bit of problem with a Cobol program.  WS is about 
7M in size below the line.  This creates the perfect environment for S878-10 
abends.

Is there a compiler option that would move WS above the line?  Or is there a 
different solution.  If there is an option, what level of Cobol did it show up 
in?


No, I do not know what they are doing.  But I am told they cannot change the 
code.

Thanks



Lizette Koehler
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Re: Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Doug]

What version of COBOL?

.

On Jan 24, 2019, at 20:06, Lizette Koehler  wrote:

A friend of mine is having a bit of problem with a Cobol program.  WS is about
7M in size below the line.  This creates the perfect environment for S878-10
abends.

Is there a compiler option that would move WS above the line?  Or is there a
different solution.  If there is an option, what level of Cobol did it show up
in?


No, I do not know what they are doing.  But I am told they cannot change the
code.

Thanks



Lizette Koehler
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Are there compiler options to move Working Storage in Cobol above the line?

[Lizette Koehler]

A friend of mine is having a bit of problem with a Cobol program.  WS is about
7M in size below the line.  This creates the perfect environment for S878-10
abends.

Is there a compiler option that would move WS above the line?  Or is there a
different solution.  If there is an option, what level of Cobol did it show up
in?


No, I do not know what they are doing.  But I am told they cannot change the
code.

Thanks



Lizette Koehler
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Steve Beaver]

Red hat is available 

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Sorry for the finger checks

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 17:34, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z?
> 
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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> 
> Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14
> 
> Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎
> 
>> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. :
>> 
>> IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System 
>> z and Linux ON system z.
>> 
>> It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names.
>> Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze:
>>> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, 
>>> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're 
>>> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" 
>>> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into 
>>> names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute 
>>> Linux-yet! Coming soon.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM:
>>> 
>>> *   Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and 
>>> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode.
>>> 
>>> *   Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System 
>>> z
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I 
>>> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: 
>>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1__Nr380ACVP5DmBDewNEJvAcQUSpCCHi91WoNS32c3jh-oVdohBH6BZ68lAFBwLRMtCnvAyH89iaFmeLkI6G8aNn2Cssavr_ytaFphufWXRBECTNppPguthLhRM25SJwPFPZHQszGJWIqgcefl-jQR_k06U8Ydblq1unvbZ_9jj7mKdlKjJU050nfXPjSk5oHGRNdHf01hGebfPGaeOAVwuVJYy5mXXfjxGSn_0W6O3dNzHZbeNpLAisXGqx0ynxo-GS_K6hvPY7QsTI62pikRauTXc51xwd4V49XruNJTFCJxVZwK2HeSiNDg9o0ij9DNHBI0gKVFsAGSnh1BbAlMFPjeyB4ucqD4A0T0m3-WC906wNBfPMphI9x7alCF8U_hnpmeUpydHu_EIYphoamWJvh6TbJ2WGN_Te0uA4rjENY7muWUGpV-WWCGx7jKec/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mantissa.com%2Fmantissa-product-families%2Fvirtualization%2Fz86vm-functional-overview%2F
>>>  -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vignesh wrote, in part:
>>> 
 I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM
>>> 
>>> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. 
>>> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't 
>>> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .phsiii
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Seymour J Metz]

Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z?


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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14

Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎

> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. :
>
> IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System 
> z and Linux ON system z.
>
> It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names.
> Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays.
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze:
>> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, 
>> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're 
>> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" 
>> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names 
>> like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! 
>> Coming soon.)
>>
>>
>> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM:
>>
>> *   Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and 
>> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode.
>>
>> *   Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z
>>
>>
>> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM!
>>
>>
>> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I 
>> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: 
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1__Nr380ACVP5DmBDewNEJvAcQUSpCCHi91WoNS32c3jh-oVdohBH6BZ68lAFBwLRMtCnvAyH89iaFmeLkI6G8aNn2Cssavr_ytaFphufWXRBECTNppPguthLhRM25SJwPFPZHQszGJWIqgcefl-jQR_k06U8Ydblq1unvbZ_9jj7mKdlKjJU050nfXPjSk5oHGRNdHf01hGebfPGaeOAVwuVJYy5mXXfjxGSn_0W6O3dNzHZbeNpLAisXGqx0ynxo-GS_K6hvPY7QsTI62pikRauTXc51xwd4V49XruNJTFCJxVZwK2HeSiNDg9o0ij9DNHBI0gKVFsAGSnh1BbAlMFPjeyB4ucqD4A0T0m3-WC906wNBfPMphI9x7alCF8U_hnpmeUpydHu_EIYphoamWJvh6TbJ2WGN_Te0uA4rjENY7muWUGpV-WWCGx7jKec/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mantissa.com%2Fmantissa-product-families%2Fvirtualization%2Fz86vm-functional-overview%2F
>>  -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled.
>>
>>
>> Vignesh wrote, in part:
>>
>>> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM
>>
>> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. 
>> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't 
>> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM.
>>
>>
>> .phsiii
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Bernd Oppolzer]

Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.:

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the 
older ones.


You can add the following:

KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS


Well, IT DEPENDS.

KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it 
Linux? Maybe, but specialized.


VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to 
legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK.


There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE 
AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned 
with (paid) agreement from IBM.



BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called 
BS2000/OSD.
It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from 
MVS or VSE, AFAIK.
Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar 
to IBM 360 (RCA Spectra ...).


There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or 
Fujitsu) had to

cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Wolfgang Fritz]

Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14

Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎

> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. :
> 
> IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System 
> z and Linux ON system z.
> 
> It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names.
> Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays.
> 
> -- 
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> Lodz, Poland
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze:
>> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, 
>> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're 
>> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" 
>> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names 
>> like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! 
>> Coming soon.)
>> 
>>  
>> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM:
>> 
>> *   Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and 
>> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode.
>> 
>> *   Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z
>> 
>>  
>> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM!
>> 
>>  
>> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I 
>> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: 
>> http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/z86vm-functional-overview/
>>  -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled.
>> 
>>  
>> Vignesh wrote, in part:
>> 
>>> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM
>>  
>> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. 
>> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't 
>> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM.
>> 
>>  
>> .phsiii
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[R.S.]

IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR 
System z and Linux ON system z.


It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names.
Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays.

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W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze:

Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, formerly zSeries). 
Operating systems always have a slash, because they're software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But 
Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' 
trademarks into names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! 
Coming soon.)

  


Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM:

*   Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and Linux 
for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode.

*   Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z

  


It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM!

  


Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I 
think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: 
http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/z86vm-functional-overview/
 -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled.

  


Vignesh wrote, in part:


I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM
  


Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. Well, not 
"bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't IML an IBM Z 
without PR/SM.

  


.phsiii



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Red Alert: File systems inaccessible after using BPXWMIGF utility

[Jim Taylor]

For anyone not subscribed to the red alert service...

https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/set2/sas/f/redAlerts/20190124.html

Abstract:
Access to file systems will be lost after the BPXWMIGF migration utility has 
been used to migrate an HFS file system to a zFS file system, and the source 
HFS file system had child file systems mounted at the time of the migration. 
After an LPAR is subsequently IPLed in the shared file system environment, 
these child file systems will no longer be accessible by that LPAR.

Users Affected:
All users of z/OS UNIX for z/OS 2.3 (HBB77B0) in a shared file system 
environment (sysplex) using the BPXWMIGF utility to migrate HFS file systems to 
zFS file systems.

Description:
When all LPARs in a shared file system environment are at z/OS 2.3, it is 
possible to use the z/OS UNIX migration tool, BPXWMIGF, to transparently 
migrate an HFS file system to a zFS file system. If the source HFS file system 
had any active child file systems mounted at the time of migration, the entry 
in the OMVS couple data set (BPXMCDS) for each child file system is corrupted 
after the migration. There is no external indication of this corruption at the 
time of the migration. The corruption becomes evident when any LPAR at any z/OS 
release level is IPLed (new system or re-IPL of existing system) in the shared 
file system environment following the BPXWMIGF migration. The catchup mounts 
for the affected child file systems will fail on the system being IPLed.

Recommended Actions:
Monitor APAR OA56827 for fix availability and possible recovery actions.
Do NOT use the BPXWMIGF utility to migrate any HFS file system with active 
child file systems mounted under it until the fix for APAR OA56827 (once 
available) is installed on all systems in the shared file system environment.
Without the fix for APAR OA56827 installed, the BPXWMIGF utility can still be 
used for migration of HFS file systems that do NOT have active child file 
systems mounted.
If you have already used the BPXWMIGF utility to migrate HFS file systems with 
active child file system mounts, it is recommended that you avoid IPLing any 
systems in the shared file system environment until the corruption in the OMVS 
couple data set (BPXMCDS) has been recovered or until the fix has been 
installed on all systems. Please contact z/OS UNIX support for assistance.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Seymour J Metz]

KVM is just a Linux API, not an OS. There are multiple hypervisor running under 
Linux with KVM.


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KVM?


Jon Nolting
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Engineering IT

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-Original Message-
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You forgot z/VM

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Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and 
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new 
star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" 
planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will 
name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons 
around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs 
on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Seymour J Metz]

KVM is not an OS. It's part of Linux. A hypervisor using KVM is just another 
Linux application.


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W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older 
> ones.
>
> You can add the following:
>
> KVM
> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS

Well, IT DEPENDS.

KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux?
Maybe, but specialized.

VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal
settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK.

There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE
AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned
with (paid) agreement from IBM.


And of course z/OS family can be counted as one or as:
z/OS
OS/390
MVS
MFT, MVT, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, OS/360...


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Re: First call to Resolver takes an extra 1/2 second ?

[Kirk Wolf]

FYI - I found that if I set RESOLVER_PROC=DEFAULT and use the default z/OS
UNIX resolver, that the resolver startup time for a process dropped from
575 to 330ms.   Its still not 2ms like on other systems I've tested, but it
did move the needle.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Kirk Wolf  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> 1) Is there a DNS lookup for getaddrinfo(127.0.0.1) ?I wouldn't think
> so.
>
> 2) From the trace, the time is lost *before* the getaddrinfo() call
> starts.
>
> It happens here:
> *Resolver Trace Initialization Complete -> 2019/01/23 10:30:10.433856 *
>
>  (G) LookUp= DNS LOCAL
>
>  (*) Cache
>
>  (*) NoCacheReorder
>
> res_init Succeeded
>
> *res_init Started: 2019/01/23 10:30:10.973607  *
>
> Is this time used to look in the catalog for user-specific resolver data
> sets?
> I don't have any of these.
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 5:14 AM Mike Wawiorko <
> 014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
>> I would expect a difference for the first lookup for an IP address or
>> name that needs to go to DNS (or your LOCAL files) versus a second or
>> subsequent lookup that finds the necessary information in the resolver
>> cache.
>>
>> Does this explain your experiences?
>>
>> Try displaying the resolver cache.
>>
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[ronjhawkins1]

All,

The current Hitachi OS is called VOS3, but I'm not sure about the suffix 
(VOS3/???). I'm also not sure if Hitachi VMS was ported the Hitachi specific 
z14.

While based on MVS, I think it is fair to say that z/OS and VOS3 have diverged 
enough from the parent OS to be listed as a separate OS for current z 
mainframes.

Ron Hawkins
Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) | m: +61 400029610 | h: +61 
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W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older 
> ones.
>
> You can add the following:
>
> KVM
> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS

Well, IT DEPENDS.

KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux? 
Maybe, but specialized.

VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal 
settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK.

There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE AFAIK, 
but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned with (paid) 
agreement from IBM.


And of course z/OS family can be counted as one or as:
z/OS
OS/390
MVS
MFT, MVT, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, OS/360...


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Re: NFS Mount Failure

[Watkins, Philip S.]

I am performing an unmount, touch and then mount.  The mount is successful, but 
my job still fails unless I browse /u/usr/xerox/ manually first.

//XEROXUMT EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 DYNAMNBR=NN,PARM='COMMAND'
//SYSTSPRT  DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSEXEC   DD  DUMMY
//SYSTSIN   DD  *
UNMOUNT FILESYSTEM('XEROXRAW')
/*
//STEP0001 EXEC PGM=AOPBATCH,PARM='sleep 15'
//STDOUT   DD   SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD   SYSOUT=*
//STDINDD   DUMMY
//TOUCHEXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='SH touch -c /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile'
//STDOUT   DD   SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD   SYSOUT=*
//*STDPARM  DD   dummy
//*
//XEROXMNT EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 DYNAMNBR=NN,PARM='COMMAND'
//SYSTSPRT  DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSEXEC   DD  DUMMY
//SYSTSIN   DD  *
MOUNT FILESYSTEM('XEROXRAW') MOUNTPOINT('/u/usr/xerox') TYPE(NFS) -
MODE(RDWR) PARM('PGCSYS:/XEROXRAW,SOFT,SOFT,VERS(3),XLAT(Y), +
CLN_CCSID(1047),SRV_CCSID(819)')
/*

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that's a really easy and great option !
I use touch to create files interactively I never thought about using touch 
like that !



Carmen Vitullo

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From: "Kevin Mckenzie" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:44:25 PM
Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure

Right. touch is a standard unix command; it officially is used for updating the 
access or last modified time of a file, but it's often used sort of as a 
utility command in the way IEFBR14 can be used to create a file.

So I would think a job step like:

//TOUCH EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='SH touch -c /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile'

would force USS to go see if /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile exists, and therefore require 
NFS to reestablish a full connection to the server, after you've run the 
automount command. The -c option tells touch not to create a file that isn't 
already there, so that should prevent any file from actually being created. I 
haven't tested this, though I'm trying to get in touch with one of the NFS 
folks to see if this is known/expected behavior.

Note that case matters in the PARM statement.
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> From: "Watkins, Philip S." 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 01/24/2019 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
> Thanks Kevin, I am trying to understand how to convert what I have to
> use BPXBATCH.
> I was not aware of the use of a "TOUCH" command.
> Any help converting would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I currently use the following on the Mainframe;
>
> MOUNT FILESYSTEM('XEROXRAW') MOUNTPOINT('/u/usr/xerox') TYPE(NFS) -
> MODE(RDWR) PARM('PGCSYS:/XEROXRAW,SOFT,SOFT,VERS(3),XLAT(Y), +
> CLN_CCSID(1047),SRV_CCSID(819)')
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Kevin Mckenzie
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:54 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure
>
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> carries the additional risk that it may be a phishing email and/or
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>
>
> Have you thought about using BPXBATCH and something like the touch
> command to force an access of the remote file system?
>
> ---
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> > From: Carmen Vitullo 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date: 01/23/2019 01:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure
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> > for mounts or remounts - same here, I just run a BPXBATCH to run
> theautomount
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Re: NFS Mount Failure

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:44:25 -0500, Kevin Mckenzie wrote:

>Right.  touch is a standard unix command; it officially is used for
>updating the access or last modified time of a file, but it's often used
>sort of as a utility command in the way IEFBR14 can be used to create a
>file.
>
>So I would think a job step like:
>
>//TOUCH EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='SH touch -c /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile'
> 
My experience has been that "touch" from an NFS client does *not* update
the timestamp of an existing PDS(E) member.  ISPF timestamp?  FAMS timestamp?
Whatever.

>...  The -c option tells touch not to create a file that isn't already there, 
>...
>
Conversely, I use:
: >>/some/path/name
... which creates a new file but does not modify the timestamp of an existing 
file.

>Note that case matters in the PARM statement.

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Re: REXX syscalls and the dirty bit

[Walt Farrell]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:25:45 +, Steve Austin  
wrote:

>Hi, I'm using the 'shmat' syscall to attach a shared memory object, but using 
>the REXX storage function to alter it causes the dirty bit to be set. Any idea 
>why this is or how to prevent it?

As Ed said, because you're loading something that's not defined as PROGRAM 
controlled. For a start, make sure you've followed the directions in the RACF 
Security Administrators Guide for libraries that should be part of the PROGRAM 
** (or possibly, but less ideally, PROGRAM *) definition.

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Re: NFS Mount Failure

[Carmen Vitullo]

that's a really easy and great option ! 
I use touch to create files interactively I never thought about using touch 
like that ! 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Kevin Mckenzie"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:44:25 PM 
Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure 

Right. touch is a standard unix command; it officially is used for 
updating the access or last modified time of a file, but it's often used 
sort of as a utility command in the way IEFBR14 can be used to create a 
file. 

So I would think a job step like: 

//TOUCH EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='SH touch -c /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile' 

would force USS to go see if /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile exists, and therefore 
require NFS to reestablish a full connection to the server, after you've 
run the automount command. The -c option tells touch not to create a file 
that isn't already there, so that should prevent any file from actually 
being created. I haven't tested this, though I'm trying to get in touch 
with one of the NFS folks to see if this is known/expected behavior. 

Note that case matters in the PARM statement. 
--- 
Kevin McKenzie 

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IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 
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> From: "Watkins, Philip S."  
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Date: 01/24/2019 12:33 PM 
> Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure 
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  
> 
> Thanks Kevin, I am trying to understand how to convert what I have 
> to use BPXBATCH. 
> I was not aware of the use of a "TOUCH" command. 
> Any help converting would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> I currently use the following on the Mainframe; 
> 
> MOUNT FILESYSTEM('XEROXRAW') MOUNTPOINT('/u/usr/xerox') TYPE(NFS) - 
> MODE(RDWR) PARM('PGCSYS:/XEROXRAW,SOFT,SOFT,VERS(3),XLAT(Y), + 
> CLN_CCSID(1047),SRV_CCSID(819)') 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
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> Behalf Of Kevin Mckenzie 
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> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
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> 
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> carries the additional risk that it may be a phishing email and/or 
> contain malware. 
> 
> 
> Have you thought about using BPXBATCH and something like the touch 
> command to force an access of the remote file system? 
> 
> --- 
> Kevin McKenzie 
> 
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> > From: Carmen Vitullo  
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> > Date: 01/23/2019 01:12 PM 
> > Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure 
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> > 
> > for mounts or remounts - same here, I just run a BPXBATCH to run 
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Re: NFS Mount Failure

[Kevin Mckenzie]

Right.  touch is a standard unix command; it officially is used for
updating the access or last modified time of a file, but it's often used
sort of as a utility command in the way IEFBR14 can be used to create a
file.

So I would think a job step like:

//TOUCH EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,PARM='SH touch -c /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile'

would force USS to go see if /u/usr/xerox/tmpfile exists, and therefore
require NFS to reestablish a full connection to the server, after you've
run the automount command.  The -c option tells touch not to create a file
that isn't already there, so that should prevent any file from actually
being created.  I haven't tested this, though I'm trying to get in touch
with one of the NFS folks to see if this is known/expected behavior.

Note that case matters in the PARM statement.
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> From: "Watkins, Philip S." 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 01/24/2019 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
> Thanks Kevin, I am trying to understand how to convert what I have
> to use BPXBATCH.
> I was not aware of the use of a "TOUCH" command.
> Any help converting would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I currently use the following on the Mainframe;
>
> MOUNT FILESYSTEM('XEROXRAW') MOUNTPOINT('/u/usr/xerox') TYPE(NFS) -
> MODE(RDWR) PARM('PGCSYS:/XEROXRAW,SOFT,SOFT,VERS(3),XLAT(Y), +
>  CLN_CCSID(1047),SRV_CCSID(819)')
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Kevin Mckenzie
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:54 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from an external email domain which
> carries the additional risk that it may be a phishing email and/or
> contain malware.
>
>
> Have you thought about using BPXBATCH and something like the touch
> command to force an access of the remote file system?
>
> ---
> Kevin McKenzie
>
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> > From: Carmen Vitullo 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date: 01/23/2019 01:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: NFS Mount Failure
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> > for mounts or remounts - same here, I just run a BPXBATCH to run
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Re: HSM Migrate Storagegroup Command APAR OA56695

[Max Smith]

Hi Chuck,  You beat me to it, although I knew Ken/Michelle probably had already 
told you.  We did create APAR OA56800 so that it would fail if anything other 
than DAYS(0) is specified.  If you do specify DAYS(0) we will ignore the 
PRIMARY DAYS in the management class.  If you don't specify the DAYS parameter 
at all then we will follow the attributes in the management class.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Phil Smith III]

Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, formerly 
zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're software: 
z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" officially, 
because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names like that. 
(And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! Coming soon.)

 

Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM:

*   Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and Linux 
for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode.

*   Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z

 

It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM!

 

Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I 
think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: 
http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/z86vm-functional-overview/
 -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled.

 

Vignesh wrote, in part:

> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM

 

Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. Well, 
not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't IML an IBM 
Z without PR/SM.

 

.phsiii


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Re: HSM Migrate Storagegroup Command APAR OA56695

[Chuck Kreiter]

Second APAR opened for defect in the DAYS subparameter of the MIGRATE
STORAGEGROUP command (OA56800)

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Hi Chuck,

So, what you're saying is that the command ignored management class
attributes for each of these files?


Hervey

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Subject: HSM Migrate Storagegroup Command APAR OA56695

My firm was recently hit with a bug in the MIGRATE STORAGEGROUP command.
When issued, HSM began migrating the storage group requested but then moved
on to other volumes in different storage groups.  We discovered this after
several CICS datasets were migrated while the region was down and the
restart was delayed for recalls.  I just wanted to pass this along to those
who use this command.  The APAR describes running MIGRATE STORAGEGROUP
commands on a system that runs primary space management.  However, we hit
this on a system that doesn't run primary space management as well.  From
the dump of HSM on this system, IBM discovered the SMS VT had thousands of
volumes in it rather than just the ones in the SG selected for migration.  


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 15:51, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh pisze:

Oh how about zAWARE ??


zAWARE is an appliance - some dedicated application running under Linux 
in dedicated LPAR.


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Re: REXX syscalls and the dirty bit

[Ed Jaffe]

On 1/24/2019 7:25 AM, Steve Austin wrote:

Hi, I'm using the 'shmat' syscall to attach a shared memory object, but using 
the REXX storage function to alter it causes the dirty bit to be set. Any idea 
why this is or how to prevent it?


That means you've loaded a module from a library that isn't program 
controlled.


If you're a RACF shop, issue the "RLIST PROGRAM *" command to see your 
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Re: NFS Mount Failure

[Watkins, Philip S.]

Thanks Kevin, I am trying to understand how to convert what I have to use 
BPXBATCH.
I was not aware of the use of a "TOUCH" command.
Any help converting would be greatly appreciated.

I currently use the following on the Mainframe;

MOUNT FILESYSTEM('XEROXRAW') MOUNTPOINT('/u/usr/xerox') TYPE(NFS) -
MODE(RDWR) PARM('PGCSYS:/XEROXRAW,SOFT,SOFT,VERS(3),XLAT(Y), +
 CLN_CCSID(1047),SRV_CCSID(819)')



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> for mounts or remounts - same here, I just run a BPXBATCH to run
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:

All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones.

You can add the following:

KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS


Well, IT DEPENDS.

KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux? 
Maybe, but specialized.


VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal 
settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK.


There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE 
AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned 
with (paid) agreement from IBM.



And of course z/OS family can be counted as one or as:
z/OS
OS/390
MVS
MFT, MVT, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, OS/360...


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Re: NFS Mount Failure

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Have you thought about using BPXBATCH and something like the touch command
to force an access of the remote file system?

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> for mounts or remounts - same here, I just run a BPXBATCH to run
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 17:48, Kevin Mckenzie pisze:

Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU.


OK, let's add other stand-alone programs: ICKDSF, ZZSA, FDR utilities...

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Jon Nolting]

As mentioned, I would also add CFCC which is a very specific OS as well as KVM


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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Parwez Hamid 
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> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the 
> older ones.
>

I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from IBM 
itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. I am thinking of currently 
supported OSes which will IPL "stand alone" in an LPAR, so that excludes OSes 
which only run as a guest in z/VM, such as CMS.



>
> You can add the following:
>
> KVM
> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
>
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:49 AM Kevin Mckenzie  wrote:

> Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU.
>

{grin} Only if the planet were a "dump". Oh wow, I could especially use
"Stand-alone Dump" for a lousy planet in a system with only one planet,
especially if the system economy is "destitute". Nice Idea.



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> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
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> > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
> > >
> > > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
> and
> > > >z/Linux. Are there any others?
> > >
> > > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they
> > > might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in
> OS/390
> > > mode.
> > >
> > > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System
> > > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390
> > > TSS
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > >
> > Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it
> > "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia"
> with
> > the planets named after various cars.
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Re: zpdt discussion list?

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On 1/24/2019 10:44 AM, ITschak Mugzach wrote:

I remember there is one, but can't find it on the net. specifically i am
looking for a zPDT DEVMAP and z/VM user direct samples to run multiple z/os
guests on a single cpu and nic.

ITschak


ITschak,

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM Jon Nolting  wrote:

> KVM?
>

Kernel Virtual Machine -- a way to run a guest OS under Linux. I don't know
much about it on the z. I use it on Linux/Intel to run Windows under Linux.



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> You forgot z/VM
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> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
> z/Linux. Are there any others?
>
> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover
> a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star
> with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
> platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
> there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
> major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER
> or RSCS.
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

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Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU.
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> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
> 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
> >
> > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
and
> > >z/Linux. Are there any others?
> >
> > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they
> > might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in
OS/390
> > mode.
> >
> > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System
> > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390
> > TSS
> >
> > --
> > Tom Marchant
> >
> >
> Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it
> "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia"
with
> the planets named after various cars.
>
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Jon Nolting]

KVM?


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You forgot z/VM

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This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and 
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new 
star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" 
planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will 
name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons 
around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs 
on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Parwez]

zAware was not an OS. Originally it was firmware.

BTW: It was transitioned to IBM Operational Analytics for z Systems


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Oh how about zAWARE ??

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S.  wrote:
>
>It depends.
>There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
>There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
>There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
>Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
>There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
>There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM,
>but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
>There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
>Slackware, Ubuntu...
>
How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so:
PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ...

Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Wolfgang Fritz]

But you could use all Linux distribution without z/vm when you get a s390x 
Version nativ on a lpar. I have a kvm rhel 7.5 with kvm. For my guests on z/14

Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.😎

> Am 24.01.2019 um 16:48 schrieb Parwez Hamid :
> 
> Re: I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from 
> IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux.
> 
> If this is what you want, then there are only 4 i.e. excluding PR/SM and DPM. 
> These are z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and z/TPF. IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX.
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Parwez Hamid]

Re: I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from 
IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux.

If this is what you want, then there are only 4 i.e. excluding PR/SM and DPM. 
These are z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and z/TPF. IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX.

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zpdt discussion list?

[ITschak Mugzach]

I remember there is one, but can't find it on the net. specifically i am
looking for a zPDT DEVMAP and z/VM user direct samples to run multiple z/os
guests on a single cpu and nic.

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REXX syscalls and the dirty bit

[Steve Austin]

Hi, I'm using the 'shmat' syscall to attach a shared memory object, but using 
the REXX storage function to alter it causes the dirty bit to be set. Any idea 
why this is or how to prevent it?

Thanks

Steve

The REXX extract below writes the following to SYSTSPRT;

1 tcbfbyt3= 80
2 tcbfbyt3= 80
2 tcbfbyt3= C0


/* attach memory object */
'shmat (shmid) shmaddr'
if retval =-1 then do
  say 'shmat retval=-1'
  "strerror" errno errnojr "err."
  do i=1 to err.0
say err.i
  end
  exit(8)
end
/* add port number to memory object */
say '1 tcbfbyt3=' C2x(STORAGE(D2X(TCB + 278), 1))
data = storage(shmaddr,4096)
say '2 tcbfbyt3=' C2x(STORAGE(D2X(TCB + 278), 1))
if substr(data,1,8) \= 'M4JVMSHR' then
  x=storage(shmaddr,0,left('M4JVMSHR,'applid','servername':'port,4096))
else x= storage(shmaddr,0,left(strip(data)','servername':'port,4096))
say '3 tcbfbyt3=' C2x(STORAGE(D2X(TCB + 278), 1))

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Wayne Bickerdike]

The Hercules community are running some older operating systems.

Could be that Hercules runs more than z is capable of.

As Goldmember would say, ''Ïsn't that weird".

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:51 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh <
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> Oh how about zAWARE ??
>
> – Vignesh
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> -Original Message-
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> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S.  wrote:
> >
> >It depends.
> >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
> >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
> >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
> >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
> >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
> >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM,
> >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
> >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
> >Slackware, Ubuntu...
> >
> How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so:
> PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ...
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> Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

Oh how about zAWARE ??

– Vignesh
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S.  wrote:
>
>It depends.
>There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
>There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
>There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
>Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
>There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
>There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM,
>but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
>There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
>Slackware, Ubuntu...
>
How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so:
PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ...

Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S.  wrote:
>
>It depends.
>There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
>There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
>There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
>Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
>There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
>There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM,
>but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
>There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
>Slackware, Ubuntu...
> 
How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so:
PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ...

Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[John McKown]

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
> >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
> >z/Linux. Are there any others?
>
> None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they
> might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in OS/390
> mode.
>
> MTS, the Michigan Terminal System
> UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390
> TSS
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Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it
"Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia" with
the planets named after various cars.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Allan Staller]

Ancient
MFT (and subsequent incarantions)
DOS/360 and subsequent incarnations
BOS
TOS
PCP


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Bernd Oppolzer
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

what a strange typo ...

"- if it really would run on a current z Hardware"

of course


Am 24.01.2019 um 13:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
> Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
>> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
>>> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
>>> and z/Linux. Are there any others?
>>>
>>> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I
>>> play.
>>> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you
>>> discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan
>>> to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes
>>> which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the
>>> planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I
>>> will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the
>>> OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It depends.
>> There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
>> There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
>> There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
>> Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
>> There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
>> There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under
>> z/VM, but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
>> There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
>> Slackware, Ubuntu...
>>
>>
>
> MUSIC/SP, but I don't know
>
> - if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the
> "real world"
> and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments
>
> - if it really would round on a current z Hardware
>
> Kind regards
>
> Bernd
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Tom Marchant]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
>z/Linux. Are there any others?

None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they might be 
able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in OS/390 mode.

MTS, the Michigan Terminal System
UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Allan Staller]

kVM?

-Original Message-
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John McKown
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:18 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and 
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new 
star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" 
planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will 
name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons 
around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs 
on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Parwez Hamid 
wrote:

> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older
> ones.
>

I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from
IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. I am thinking of
currently supported OSes which will IPL "stand alone" in an LPAR, so that
excludes OSes which only run as a guest in z/VM, such as CMS.



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>
> KVM
> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
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Re: First call to Resolver takes an extra 1/2 second ?

[Kirk Wolf]

Mike,

1) Is there a DNS lookup for getaddrinfo(127.0.0.1) ?I wouldn't think
so.

2) From the trace, the time is lost *before* the getaddrinfo() call
starts.

It happens here:
*Resolver Trace Initialization Complete -> 2019/01/23 10:30:10.433856 *

 (G) LookUp= DNS LOCAL

 (*) Cache

 (*) NoCacheReorder

res_init Succeeded

*res_init Started: 2019/01/23 10:30:10.973607  *

Is this time used to look in the catalog for user-specific resolver data
sets?
I don't have any of these.

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> I would expect a difference for the first lookup for an IP address or name
> that needs to go to DNS (or your LOCAL files) versus a second or subsequent
> lookup that finds the necessary information in the resolver cache.
>
> Does this explain your experiences?
>
> Try displaying the resolver cache.
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Parwez Hamid]

All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones.

You can add the following:

KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS

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Re: ICSF and z/OS 2.3

[Todd Arnold]

I'm afraid I can't help on that end.  I'm an expert in the HSM (I've been 
developing them since the first IBM HSM started as a research project in the 
1980s), but not in ICSF releases.  Hopefully, someone else will know the 
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:03 AM Michael Knigge 
wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris_for_System_z
>
> But OpenSolaris for System z is dead
>
>
>
>
> https://www.eweek.com/networking/ibm-to-support-windows-on-system-z-mainframes
>
> ok... just kidding
>

Well, I guess "Windows" would be a good name for a planet which is "extreme
toxic" (which exists).



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> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
> z/Linux. Are there any others?
>
> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a
> new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with
> "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
> platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
> there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
> major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER
> or RSCS.
>
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Matt Hogstrom]

zLinux only means that the host hardware can run. Linux OS and is supported b 
the kernel.  Multiple Linux distributions run on Z.  Ubuntu, SuSE and Red-hot 
are the core ones.  There might be others but the named three are the 
predominant ones.

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> I thought z/Linux was a myth. 
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> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and 
> z/Linux. Are there any others?
> 
> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a 
> new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with 
> "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. 
> I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any 
> moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem 
> which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.
> 
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AW: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Michael Knigge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris_for_System_z

But OpenSolaris for System z is dead



https://www.eweek.com/networking/ibm-to-support-windows-on-system-z-mainframes

ok... just kidding



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Betreff: how many OSes run on IBMz

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a
new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with
"n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER
or RSCS.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

KVM on bare metal!
Don't know if it's the same as zLinux.. I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top 
of zVM.. ?

– Vignesh
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Bernd Oppolzer
Sent: 24 January 2019 12:52
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
>> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
>> and z/Linux. Are there any others?
>>
>> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I
>> play.
>> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you
>> discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to
>> find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which
>> run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets
>> after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to
>> name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that
>> name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.
>>
>
>
> It depends.
> There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
> There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
> There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
> Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
> There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
> There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM,
> but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
> There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
> Slackware, Ubuntu...
>
>

MUSIC/SP, but I don't know

- if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the "real world"
and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments

- if it really would round on a current z Hardware

Kind regards

Bernd

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[John McKown]

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 6:26 AM R.S.  wrote:

> It depends.
> There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
> There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
> There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
> Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
> There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
> There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM,
> but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
> There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat,
> Slackware, Ubuntu...
>

Hum, which I can use in another star system which I name "Linux". Thanks
for the idea!



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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Bernd Oppolzer]

what a strange typo ...

"- if it really would run on a current z Hardware"

of course


Am 24.01.2019 um 13:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:

Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I 
play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you 
discover a
new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a 
star with

"n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or 
POWER

or RSCS.




It depends.
There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under 
z/VM, but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, 
Slackware, Ubuntu...





MUSIC/SP, but I don't know

- if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the 
"real world"

and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments

- if it really would round on a current z Hardware

Kind regards

Bernd

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Bernd Oppolzer]

Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I 
play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you 
discover a
new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a 
star with

"n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or 
POWER

or RSCS.




It depends.
There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, 
but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, 
Slackware, Ubuntu...





MUSIC/SP, but I don't know

- if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the "real 
world"

and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments

- if it really would round on a current z Hardware

Kind regards

Bernd

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[ronjhawkins1]

I thought z/Linux was a myth. 

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Subject: [IBM-MAIN] how many OSes run on IBMz

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and 
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new 
star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" 
planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will 
name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons 
around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs 
on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.

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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a
new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with
"n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER
or RSCS.




It depends.
There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM.
There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, 
but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well.
There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, 
Slackware, Ubuntu...



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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz

[Gadi Ben-Avi]

You forgot z/VM

-Original Message-
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and 
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new 
star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" 
planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will 
name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons 
around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs 
on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS.

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how many OSes run on IBMz

[John McKown]

This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?

OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a
new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with
"n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz
platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If
there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some
major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER
or RSCS.

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Re: Connect:Direct and ICSF (was ICSF and z/OS 2.3)

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-01-23 o 17:57, Todd Arnold pisze:

In particular, you don't get any of the financial crypto verbs without a Crypto 
Express.  The standards do not allow banks to perform functions like those 
unless they are executed in a physically and logically secure crypto device.


Yes, but financial crypto verbs can be performed in external HSM box, so 
ICSF+CyrptoExpress is not the only solution.



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Does this explain your experiences?

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