STCKE faster than STCK! (was: instruction clock speed)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 20:18:55 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>The 360/40 had one: 7 us for LR, 10 us for L.
>
>It is not possible now. A single instruction may literally add no time at
>all to some instruction sequence.
>
>My imperfect model is that main storage is the new disk. Figure that
>instructions take no time at all and memory accesses take forever.
> 
One exception mentioning at least relative speed I find nowadays is:

IBM ® z/Architecture Principles of Operation SA22-7832-10
Chapter 4. Control
  Timing
Time-of-Day Clock
  TOD Programmable Register
Programming Notes:
...
12. Due to the sequencing rules for the results of STORE CLOCK and
STORE CLOCK EXTENDED, the execution of STORE CLOCK may be
considerably slower than that of STORE CLOCK EXTENDED and STORE
CLOCK FAST. Depending on the model, the relative slowness of
STORE CLOCK (as compared with STORE CLOCK EXTENDED and STORE
CLOCK FAST) is particularly noticeable when multiple STORE
CLOCK instructions are executed within a short period of time.

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Re: CPU time and zIIP

[Mike Schwab]

On the full speed box the delays will be real.  On the faster
kneecapped box the delays will be counted as part of the kneecapping.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 3:40 PM Edward Finnell
<000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Is the overhead noticeable from a thruput standpoint?
>
> Say we have a 100 MSU box and a 200 MSU box capped at 100 will same workloads 
> complete in close proximity?In a message dated 3/4/2019 9:36:11 PM Central 
> Standard Time, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes:
> So a better analogy might be that each CP is going around a race track
> and pulls into the pits on each lap. After servicing, sub-capacity
> models are held in the pits for awhile before they're allowed back on
> the track.
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Re: CPU time and zIIP

[Edward Finnell]

Is the overhead noticeable from a thruput standpoint? 

Say we have a 100 MSU box and a 200 MSU box capped at 100 will same workloads 
complete in close proximity?In a message dated 3/4/2019 9:36:11 PM Central 
Standard Time, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes:
So a better analogy might be that each CP is going around a race track 
and pulls into the pits on each lap. After servicing, sub-capacity 
models are held in the pits for awhile before they're allowed back on 
the track.

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Re: Writing the Definitive Systems Programmer Resume

[David Spiegel]

Hi Joe,
Please send me the presentation.

Thanks and regards,
David Spiegel

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I would like to invite anyone attending this week's SHARE conference in Phoenix 
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Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)

[Farley, Peter x23353]

I would add gawk 4.x to that list, V4.2.1 if at all possible.

Peter

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Here is a list of the tools Rocket Ported I just compiled for my reference  for 
discussions about what would be nice to have in USS … just my opinion, not an 
IBM statement.  Big priorities for me are bash, python, perl , git, sed.  
Others are nice to have and often are used to build other packages.




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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Well, it's not as bad as it used to be, but the original OE option was 
> designed around passing certification and was missing most of the tools that 
> aren't required but everyone has.
> 
> What is the current status of Perl, Python and Ruby in z/os? What about bash?
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Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:04:16 -0500, John McKown wrote:
>
>IMO, if IBM is really serious about z/OS UNIX being something other than a
>"POSIX compliant? Check!" portion of z/OS, they need to invest (pay) for a
>group to port and maintain all of the main GNU utilities that they don't
>have any real equivalent to. I will give them a pass on porting the GNU
>Compiler Collection (GCC) because that would negatively impact their own
>compiler products. They especially need to replace their inferior versions
>of: grep; sed; find; awk.
> 
("find -print0" has a co-requisite of "xargs -0".)

EBCDIC makes it more costly.  Consider:
https://bugs.python.org/issue1298

What if the GNU utilities were compiled with c99 ASCII mode and mutatis
mutandis autoconversion could handle classic data sets?  (What need would
remain for EBCDIC UNIX files?)  But Rexx?  BPXWDYN?
Deficiencies in ASCII runtime support: Curses. X11.  Others?

tzdata?

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Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)

[Matt Hogstrom]

Here is a list of the tools Rocket Ported I just compiled for my reference  for 
discussions about what would be nice to have in USS … just my opinion, not an 
IBM statement.  Big priorities for me are bash, python, perl , git, sed.  
Others are nice to have and often are used to build other packages.

apache-ant  1.9.2   160208  License: Apache 2.0 
https://ant.apache.org 
1.9.13 / 1.10.5 180713


autoconf2.62160614  License: GPL
https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/ 
2.69120424

automake1.10160614  License: GPL
https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/  
1.12.2  ??

bash4.3 170518  
4.4 160915  License: GPL
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/ 

bison   2.3 160825
3.3.2   190203  License: GPL
https://www.gnu.org/software/bison 

bzip2   1.0.6   160302
1.0.6   License: Open   


curl7.52.1  170926
7.6.4   20190206License: CURL/X 
(MIT like)  https://curl.haxx.se/ 

cvs 1.11.23 160324

diffutils   3.3 160302

expect  5.44.1.15   160302

findutils   4.4.2   160614

git 2.14.4  181107

groff   1.20.1  160229

gzip1.9 180703

libssh2 1.4.3   160628

m4  1.4.18  170511

make4.1 160426

mc  4.6.1   160229

mktemp  1.7 160302

nedit   5.5 160229

openssl 1.0.2k  170414

perl5.24.0  180202

php 7.0.5   170614

pkg-config  0.28161125

python  2.7.6 / 3.6 160229 / 170412

sed 4.2.2   160229

sudo1.8.3p3 170419

tcl 8.5.11  160823

vim 8.0.22  170615

webalizer   2.23.08 160302

zip/unzip   3.0 / 6.0   160304 / 161123

zlib1.2.8   160302


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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Well, it's not as bad as it used to be, but the original OE option was 
> designed around passing certification and was missing most of the tools that 
> aren't required but everyone has.
> 
> What is the current status of Perl, Python and Ruby in z/os? What about bash?
> 
> 
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> 
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Matt Hogstrom 
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:52 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)
> 
> You are correct about GPL.  The concern is likely historical and not the one 
> that would be made today.  There is some discussion at the OMP about hosting 
> the Rocket Ports as a no-registration download.  Regardless, USS needs a 
> serious facelift to include tools and utilities commonly available on other 
> *nix variants like Linux and MacOS and Cygwin.
> 
> Matt Hogstrom
> m...@hogstrom.org
> PGP Key: 0x90ECB270
> 
> Perfer et obdura: dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
> 
> Be patient and endure: some day, this pain will be useful to you.
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>> 
>> GPL v3 says "6. Conveying Non-Source Forms.
>> 
>> You may convey a covered work in object code form under the terms of 
>> sections 4 and 5, provided that you also convey the machine-readable 
>> Corresponding Source under the terms of this License, in one of these ways:"
>> 
>> They would still need a notice of how to obtain the source.
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> Matt Hogstrom 
>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:25 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)
>> 
>> Don’t think so.  RocketSoftware makes them available for download.  I think 
>> the key issue is they 

Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 9:52 AM Matt Hogstrom  wrote:

> You are correct about GPL.  The concern is likely historical and not the
> one that would be made today.  There is some discussion at the OMP about
> hosting the Rocket Ports as a no-registration download.  Regardless, USS
> needs a serious facelift to include tools and utilities commonly available
> on other *nix variants like Linux and MacOS and Cygwin.
>

IMO, if IBM is really serious about z/OS UNIX being something other than a
"POSIX compliant? Check!" portion of z/OS, they need to invest (pay) for a
group to port and maintain all of the main GNU utilities that they don't
have any real equivalent to. I will give them a pass on porting the GNU
Compiler Collection (GCC) because that would negatively impact their own
compiler products. They especially need to replace their inferior versions
of: grep; sed; find; awk.



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>
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>
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>
>
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Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)

[Seymour J Metz]

Well, it's not as bad as it used to be, but the original OE option was designed 
around passing certification and was missing most of the tools that aren't 
required but everyone has.

What is the current status of Perl, Python and Ruby in z/os? What about bash?


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You are correct about GPL.  The concern is likely historical and not the one 
that would be made today.  There is some discussion at the OMP about hosting 
the Rocket Ports as a no-registration download.  Regardless, USS needs a 
serious facelift to include tools and utilities commonly available on other 
*nix variants like Linux and MacOS and Cygwin.

Matt Hogstrom
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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> GPL v3 says "6. Conveying Non-Source Forms.
>
> You may convey a covered work in object code form under the terms of sections 
> 4 and 5, provided that you also convey the machine-readable Corresponding 
> Source under the terms of this License, in one of these ways:"
>
> They would still need a notice of how to obtain the source.
>
>
> --
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Matt Hogstrom 
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:25 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)
>
> Don’t think so.  RocketSoftware makes them available for download.  I think 
> the key issue is they are GPL IIRC.
>
> Matt Hogstrom
> m...@hogstrom.org
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> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” 
> - Hanlon’s Razor
>
>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't z/OS come with curl and wget these days?
>>
>>
>> --
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>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:21 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:55:25 +0100, Bernd Oppolzer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Now the problem is: I am limited to HTTP at the moment, but customer's 
>>> politics
>>> requires me to do HTTPS in the middle and long term.
>>>
>> For batch, would "curl" help?  (But that depends on the customer's having
>> the Rocket Ported Tools installed.)
>>
>>> I have no idea what I need to do to provide HTTPS communication in the 
>>> batch and
>>> in the CICS case; what are my options and what is the easiest migration 
>>> path?
>>
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You are correct about GPL.  The concern is likely historical and not the one 
that would be made today.  There is some discussion at the OMP about hosting 
the Rocket Ports as a no-registration download.  Regardless, USS needs a 
serious facelift to include tools and utilities commonly available on other 
*nix variants like Linux and MacOS and Cygwin.

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> GPL v3 says "6. Conveying Non-Source Forms.
> 
> You may convey a covered work in object code form under the terms of sections 
> 4 and 5, provided that you also convey the machine-readable Corresponding 
> Source under the terms of this License, in one of these ways:"
> 
> They would still need a notice of how to obtain the source.
> 
> 
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> 
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Matt Hogstrom 
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:25 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)
> 
> Don’t think so.  RocketSoftware makes them available for download.  I think 
> the key issue is they are GPL IIRC.
> 
> Matt Hogstrom
> m...@hogstrom.org
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> 
> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” 
> - Hanlon’s Razor
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>> 
>> Doesn't z/OS come with curl and wget these days?
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>> Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:21 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: calling a webservice using HTTPS from batch (and CICS)
>> 
>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:55:25 +0100, Bernd Oppolzer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Now the problem is: I am limited to HTTP at the moment, but customer's 
>>> politics
>>> requires me to do HTTPS in the middle and long term.
>>> 
>> For batch, would "curl" help?  (But that depends on the customer's having
>> the Rocket Ported Tools installed.)
>> 
>>> I have no idea what I need to do to provide HTTPS communication in the 
>>> batch and
>>> in the CICS case; what are my options and what is the easiest migration 
>>> path?
>> 
>> -- gil
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[Seymour J Metz]

GPL v3 says "6. Conveying Non-Source Forms.

You may convey a covered work in object code form under the terms of sections 4 
and 5, provided that you also convey the machine-readable Corresponding Source 
under the terms of this License, in one of these ways:"

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Don’t think so.  RocketSoftware makes them available for download.  I think the 
key issue is they are GPL IIRC.

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> Doesn't z/OS come with curl and wget these days?
>
>
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:21 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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>
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:55:25 +0100, Bernd Oppolzer  wrote:
>>
>> Now the problem is: I am limited to HTTP at the moment, but customer's 
>> politics
>> requires me to do HTTPS in the middle and long term.
>>
> For batch, would "curl" help?  (But that depends on the customer's having
> the Rocket Ported Tools installed.)
>
>> I have no idea what I need to do to provide HTTPS communication in the batch 
>> and
>> in the CICS case; what are my options and what is the easiest migration path?
>
> -- gil
>
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Don’t think so.  RocketSoftware makes them available for download.  I think the 
key issue is they are GPL IIRC.

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't z/OS come with curl and wget these days?
> 
> 
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> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:55:25 +0100, Bernd Oppolzer  wrote:
>> 
>> Now the problem is: I am limited to HTTP at the moment, but customer's 
>> politics
>> requires me to do HTTPS in the middle and long term.
>> 
> For batch, would "curl" help?  (But that depends on the customer's having
> the Rocket Ported Tools installed.)
> 
>> I have no idea what I need to do to provide HTTPS communication in the batch 
>> and
>> in the CICS case; what are my options and what is the easiest migration path?
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[Seymour J Metz]

Doesn't z/OS come with curl and wget these days?


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On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:55:25 +0100, Bernd Oppolzer  wrote:
>
>Now the problem is: I am limited to HTTP at the moment, but customer's politics
>requires me to do HTTPS in the middle and long term.
>
For batch, would "curl" help?  (But that depends on the customer's having
the Rocket Ported Tools installed.)

>I have no idea what I need to do to provide HTTPS communication in the batch 
>and
>in the CICS case; what are my options and what is the easiest migration path?

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Re: instruction clock speed

[Seymour J Metz]

I'm not sure what "While REGISTER 3 settles" means. Even on a pipelined machine 
register settings appear to be synchronous; the only reason that a prorammer 
needs to take pipelines into account is for performance, and hand optimization 
can do the opposite of what you wanted when you move to a new processor.


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Now I'm really confused. Seymour wrote:

>You might want to check out the release mentioned in the message. The 
>reference I gave was for the release that Stephenson
mentioned.



Ah! I finally get your point. You misunderstood: "While R3 settles" meant 
"While REGISTER 3 settles". That's why I mentioned S/360,
back when such things actually mattered. Claro?


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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

>> I got burned by a similar situation. Some hardware broken down, but luckily 
>> I could scavenge some 'newish' hardware. I tried to install windoze 2008, XP 
>> and 98, only got a nasty BSOD during initial phase of installation despite 
>> fiddling around with BIOS settings.
>>Installing a newer windoze worked, but I soon ran into compatibility issues, 
>>just like you.
>> So, if your windoze server's hardware crash, you may have some recovery 
>> problem (hopefully AFTER you retired ...  )

>In that case you should be able to run current Windows on new x86 (actually 
>x64) server and run some VM hypervisor (i.e. VirtualBox) and WindowsXP under 
>the VM. License should also be no problem.

Thanks. We have such machines installed much later, long long after I 'burned' 
myself. In fact, we have now a win 2008 (64-bit) (really!) running on a VM 
hypervisor using for some third party software.


>BTW: Old system under VirtualBox is my solution for IBM Shopz Download Manager.

Interesting, my own SMP/E guys and gals are using a z/OS JCL to do such 
downloads. Their decision, but it is working.  

Groete / Greetings
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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 8:57 AM R.S.  wrote:

> W dniu 2019-03-11 o 13:37, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:
> > John McKown wrote:
> >
> >>> What would you do if they insist to use database without paying for
> database license?
> >> The database in question has a permanent license, so that it not a
> problem.
> > Excellent. Do you need to pay the vendor every x period? Or is that
> license just an once-off annoyance?
> >
> >
> >> The problem is that it is running on a old Windows server; which is
> being decommissioned. And the software apparently will not run a current
> Windows server.
> > I got burned by a similar situation. Some hardware broken down, but
> luckily I could scavenge some 'newish' hardware. I tried to install windoze
> 2008, XP and 98, only got a nasty BSOD during initial phase of installation
> despite fiddling around with BIOS settings.
> >
> > Installing a newer windoze worked, but I soon ran into compatibility
> issues, just like you.
> >
> > So, if your windoze server's hardware crash, you may have some recovery
> problem (hopefully AFTER you retired ...  )
>
> In that case you should be able to run current Windows on new x86
> (actually x64) server and run some VM hypervisor (i.e. VirtualBox) and
> WindowsXP under the VM.
> License should also be no problem.
>

A good idea. But the Windows people simply refuse to do it. They have been
told that the old Windows is a security risk and it must be decommissioned.
No option. If it causes the mainframe people any problems that's just their
tough luck. But we still want those reports! In any case, the SMF 70-1 data
along with an in-house written routine seems to be able to get the data
that my boss wants. And it is much more reliable than the Windows
application.



>
>
> BTW: Old system under VirtualBox is my solution for IBM Shopz Download
> Manager.
>
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>

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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-03-11 o 13:37, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze:

John McKown wrote:


What would you do if they insist to use database without paying for database 
license?

The database in question has a permanent license, so that it not a problem.

Excellent. Do you need to pay the vendor every x period? Or is that license 
just an once-off annoyance?



The problem is that it is running on a old Windows server; which is being 
decommissioned. And the software apparently will not run a current Windows 
server.

I got burned by a similar situation. Some hardware broken down, but luckily I 
could scavenge some 'newish' hardware. I tried to install windoze 2008, XP and 
98, only got a nasty BSOD during initial phase of installation despite fiddling 
around with BIOS settings.

Installing a newer windoze worked, but I soon ran into compatibility issues, 
just like you.

So, if your windoze server's hardware crash, you may have some recovery problem 
(hopefully AFTER you retired ...  )


In that case you should be able to run current Windows on new x86 
(actually x64) server and run some VM hypervisor (i.e. VirtualBox) and 
WindowsXP under the VM.

License should also be no problem.


BTW: Old system under VirtualBox is my solution for IBM Shopz Download 
Manager.


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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 7:37 AM Elardus Engelbrecht <
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote:

> John McKown wrote:
>
> >> What would you do if they insist to use database without paying for
> database license?
> >The database in question has a permanent license, so that it not a
> problem.
>
> Excellent. Do you need to pay the vendor every x period? Or is that
> license just an once-off annoyance?
>

It is fully paid off. So it is now free to run. But no maintenance.



>
>
> >The problem is that it is running on a old Windows server; which is being
> decommissioned. And the software apparently will not run a current Windows
> server.
>
> I got burned by a similar situation. Some hardware broken down, but
> luckily I could scavenge some 'newish' hardware. I tried to install windoze
> 2008, XP and 98, only got a nasty BSOD during initial phase of installation
> despite fiddling around with BIOS settings.
>
> Installing a newer windoze worked, but I soon ran into compatibility
> issues, just like you.
>
> So, if your windoze server's hardware crash, you may have some recovery
> problem (hopefully AFTER you retired ...  )
>

Well, the Windows people basically have said that it _IS_ going to be
decommissioned. If you can't run your software on a current server, TOO BAD
FOR YOU.



>
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht
>
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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

John McKown wrote:

>> What would you do if they insist to use database without paying for database 
>> license?
>The database in question has a permanent license, so that it not a problem.

Excellent. Do you need to pay the vendor every x period? Or is that license 
just an once-off annoyance?


>The problem is that it is running on a old Windows server; which is being 
>decommissioned. And the software apparently will not run a current Windows 
>server. 

I got burned by a similar situation. Some hardware broken down, but luckily I 
could scavenge some 'newish' hardware. I tried to install windoze 2008, XP and 
98, only got a nasty BSOD during initial phase of installation despite fiddling 
around with BIOS settings.

Installing a newer windoze worked, but I soon ran into compatibility issues, 
just like you.

So, if your windoze server's hardware crash, you may have some recovery problem 
(hopefully AFTER you retired ...  )

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[John McKown]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 6:26 AM R.S.  wrote:

> W dniu 2019-03-06 o 13:29, John McKown pisze:
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 5:31 AM R.S. 
> wrote:
> >
> >> W dniu 2019-03-05 o 21:37, John McKown pisze:
> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:34 PM Carmen Vitullo 
> >> wrote:
>  Great product, EasySMF !
>  blackhillsoftware.com
> 
> 
> >>> Forgot to mention: "The mainframe is going away. There is no need to
> buy
> >>> any new software. Make due with what you have, write it yourself, or do
> >>> without. But we want our reports!"
> >> Do without. This tool is not necessary to run the mainframe.
> >>
> > I wish that were an option. But they insist that they want the
> information.
> > They just don't want to pay to get it.
>
>
> What would you do if they insist to use database without paying for
> database license?
>

The database in question has a permanent license, so that it not a problem.
The problem is that it is running on a old Windows server; which is being
decommissioned. And the software apparently will not run a current Windows
server. If some manager told me to circumvent a software license in any
way, I'd say "No." . If it cost me my job, well I'm 66 and would just
retire. If they were foolish enough to do it via an email, then I would
sent that up the management line to the CEO. I would also likely forward it
to my personal email. If I lost my job, the vendor might get a copy of it.
Yes, I can be quite "nasty".



> RYO software is not optin everywhere.
>

True.


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Re: SMF/RMF records for 4hr rolling average MSU?

[R.S.]

W dniu 2019-03-06 o 13:29, John McKown pisze:

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 5:31 AM R.S.  wrote:


W dniu 2019-03-05 o 21:37, John McKown pisze:

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:34 PM Carmen Vitullo 

wrote:

Great product, EasySMF !
blackhillsoftware.com



Forgot to mention: "The mainframe is going away. There is no need to buy
any new software. Make due with what you have, write it yourself, or do
without. But we want our reports!"

Do without. This tool is not necessary to run the mainframe.


I wish that were an option. But they insist that they want the information.
They just don't want to pay to get it.



What would you do if they insist to use database without paying for 
database license?

RYO software is not optin everywhere.


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Re: How many asterisks to change a lightbulb?

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W dniu 2019-03-09 o 17:05, Barry Merrill pisze:

Construction sites in Ireland can not use the standard 220v tools,
they had to set up a 110 converter and network.
Battery powered hand tools have reduced that need somewhat.


Really? 110V?
Many places, including construction sites have a requirement to use SAFE 
voltage.

110V is NOT safe.
Usually this is 24V equipment.

I see no goal in reducing 220V (230 actually) to 110V, unless Irish 
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