Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
>I worked for ICI from 1969 to 1978. Do you know which division wrote
>WRS?
I found this article:
https://wiki.edunitas.com/IT/en/114-10/Works-Records-System_4809_Copy_eduNitas.html
That source claims that Works Records System was designed by Dr. Robert Mais,
an
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 22:43:06 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>No, that conflates things that happe ned at very different times.
>
I believe it confuses the reader by introducing a distinction where no
difference exists.
I'd prefer:
if after determining equivalent JCL the
result is a
On 30/08/2023 10:22 pm, Horne, Jim wrote:
Peter,
In theory, I agree with you. In practice, I know of at least one shop with one
system where overall throughput was worse with SMT=2 than with SMT=1 - and none
of their systems got the benefits IBM predicted. I'm not saying it's common
but it
No, that conflates things that happe ned at very different times.
First, OS/360 had DSN= for temporary datasets.
S/360 added symbolic parameters on the PROC and EXEC statements. As part of
that, is replaced with the value of the referenced parameter if it
exists, and otherwise left as is. A
Martha wrote, in part:
> Such a sweet and funny guy, always had a good sense of humor
Indeed. About 20 years ago, Dave and I were doing something for some customer
in NJ-I forget the details, doesn't matter. Anyway, I was driving up, he was
flying to EWR, and we were going to be there a
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 15:59:02 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 3:32 PM Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>> And I've seen no good explanation for "&TEMPDSN"
>>
As s test, I posted that, not via WWW but by Mail, which I rarely do.
The paired ampersands were properly decoded.
>S/360 started
Most threads go too long. Because the 20-30 are doing nothing but repeating
each other. I suspect it’s because they are “networking”.
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 4:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin
<042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug
At least talking to myself is talking to someone who doesn’t buy the MAGA crap.
Or believes Cain & Abel were real.
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 4:17 PM, Ed Jaffe
wrote:
On 8/30/2023 11:41 AM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
> Thanks, Tom. I have the primary filter
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 3:32 PM Paul Gilmartin
<042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> And I've seen no good explanation for "&"
>
S/360 started with
Later (S/360-370), // SET VAR=value was added.
Created & is always
picks up the SET value and if none is specified it uses the
Tim,
I worked for ICI from 1969 to 1978. Do you know which division wrote WRS?
We had quite a few divisions that had mainframes. Central Management
Services held sway for quite some time. I was at Fibres division and we
used to time share until we installed our first 370 in 1975.
There are not
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:18:22 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> An interesting topic, even if not directly on-topic (the other "OT").
>
Thanks for the research. List behavior should be a valid metatopic.
One recent ply begins with "Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re:".
If I were emperor of the RFCs,
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 13:18:22 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> An interesting topic, even if not directly on-topic (the other "OT").
>
Thanks for the research. List behavior should be a valid metatopic.
One recent ply begins with "Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re:".
If I were emperor of the RFCs,
On 8/30/2023 11:41 AM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
Thanks, Tom. I have the primary filter set as well but hadn't thought of doing
an e-mail body scan. Time to head off to peruse my outlook rules. :-)
After a while, a troublemaker eventually realizes he's talking only to
himself, gets bored, and
Doh, I confused myself there-it's not LISTSERV's problem, it's Gmail's and/or
whatever this web interface is. Can you point me at that, Gil?
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In my limited experience I logon to the HMC port 443 as usual, but then
a switch to single-object-operations redirects me to the same URL but
with :995x appended. Can I assume this switch happens when you go to
SOO or perhaps do something else requiring the SE?
Wild guessing: If the OS on
W dniu 29.08.2023 o 21:34, Grant Taylor pisze:
On 8/29/23 12:13 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
I trust your certificate experience. But let's get back to the HMC
issue for a second. So the only secure way to get rid of the Firefox
warnings and red messages is to use an externally-signed certificate
Unfortunately no. It *is* matter of ports.
I add the self-signed certificate whenever I connects first time
(meaning well known appliances).
And further connects work without warning.
And of course the certificate is on the list of server certificates.
However there are many entries for same IP
Thanks, Tom. I have the primary filter set as well but hadn't thought of doing
an e-mail body scan. Time to head off to peruse my outlook rules. :-)
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom
Brennan
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 12:21 PM
To:
To be honest I did it first time approx. 20 years ago.
It is quite simple method to filter the noise.
What is hard is making a decision. Because "maybe he will contribute
something important?". NO. Just no. You may read tons of spam just
because maybe there is hidden gem inside. There is no
On 8/30/2023 10:21 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Me too, with a From: test using Thunderbird on my PC. It can also
check for a body text string, for example, " XXX wrote:" to
somewhat filter other people's responses to whoever that person might
be who matches the X's.
Good point, Tom. I
No - just click the link
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden
-Original Message-
Does the 'System Z Enthusiasts' Discord server require an individual
invitiation?
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
Matt Hogstrom
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 11:02 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: With regrets, after many years I will
Me too, with a From: test using Thunderbird on my PC. It can also check
for a body text string, for example, " XXX wrote:" to somewhat
filter other people's responses to whoever that person might be who
matches the X's.
On 8/30/2023 9:49 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
What I do is set up
Gil wrote:
>FSVO "matdh"?
>Is noise such as "Re:", "AW:", "EXTERNAL", ... to be ignored a noise?
>Security mavens here have supported "EXtERNAL", but it's bad if it breaks
>threading.
Yes, in researching it I saw that Re: et al. will be ignored. "EXTERNAL" not so
much. I just verified this,
On 8/30/2023 7:12 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
Dear ibm-mainers,
It is with regrets that after many years I will no longer be actively following
IBM-MAIN.
The list has become intolerable because of trolling, off-topic thread hijacking, and
personal attacks. The signal-to-noise ratio is approaching
Thanks for the invite, Lionel. I have accepted it. Maybe see some of you
there!
Never the less, I will have to remain connected with the LISTSERV list.
We might should have a conversation (here? on Discord? both?) about the
implications of the different services. It's not a mainframe topic,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work
I would like IBM to allow Hobbyist use of Cobol85 via the Hercules group.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 11:05 AM Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> Wow, those names are blasts from the past! They raise some interesting
> questions:
>
> 1. If you could find a
Bingo.
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 12:14 PM, Rick Troth wrote:
The Cloud is sexy. It's the current shiny thing. It's the popular trend.
Reality is that cloud tech is simply a resurrection of service bureaus
from years back. That's not a judgement pro or
The Cloud is sexy. It's the current shiny thing. It's the popular trend.
Reality is that cloud tech is simply a resurrection of service bureaus
from years back. That's not a judgement pro or con. But if your business
opted to move AWAY from the service bureau then why do you want to
RETURN by
Wow, those names are blasts from the past! They raise some interesting
questions:
1. If you could find a tape (and read it), would they still run?
2. If they did run, would you be legal using them without paying for them?
3. If not, would it matter? I.e., since the companies are
Thanks for the link Lionel. I recall seeing this before but didn’t follow
through. Now if I can only figure out Discord’s bizarre account architecture
(I seem to have an old account I can’t link)
Matt Hogstrom
“To achieve great things two things are needed: a plan, and not quite enough
Kirk,
While it's hard (as in, impossible) to argue with your logic, I'd urge you to
stay. Your contributions here are unquestioned, and the community will be the
worse off without you. I'd submit that as a vendor, it will be a (slight)
detriment to you as well, but of course that's your call.
I've worked in this field for over 40 years and have met a few characters. The
work seems to attract them. They are sometimes cantankerous.
Suggestion: If someone's post annoys you, don't read their contributions.
I'll continue to follow the threads because even the abrasive people sometimes
It has been nearly worthless for years. 20-30 posters account for 95% of the
traffic. It’s a good old boys club. A cultish frat club.
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 10:15 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
Dear ibm-mainers,
It is with regrets that after many years I will
I do ignore most of the silly comments. But, with global warming I can’t.
Anyone who considers themselves a (computer) scientist, and can see Hawaii,
Canada, Australia, California, burnt to a crisp, weather events far more
extreme, the hottest July on record, and 99.999 percent of climate
There is now an option - the System Z Enthusiasts discord server.
Join here https://discord.gg/dvPuM5dg2Y
Please do so with the goal of sharing in the system z community with your
knowledge and expertise, or to ask questions that further your skills and
the profession.
Lionel B. Dyck <><
I completely agree with your assessment Kirk. With all of the other social
media options for venting ideological viewpoints, I would hope that IBM-MAIN
can return to it's techie roots and be a place where professionals can share
their experiences and wisdom.
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From: IBM
I do not have any experience with "cloud" mainframe per se. I do
have experience with CaaS (Compiling as a Service). Contact me
off line if you want into on that.
I do have experience with outsourced mainframes having worked for
ACS when they were in the biz.
Per that experience, I predict
Dear ibm-mainers,
It is with regrets that after many years I will no longer be actively following
IBM-MAIN.
The list has become intolerable because of trolling, off-topic thread
hijacking, and personal attacks. The signal-to-noise ratio is approaching "1".
My assessment is that without some
There have been many posts on IBM-Main lately that are not related to IBM
mainframes.
Please don't post off-topic subject matter here. There are plenty of other
places.
There have also been many insults. If you are about to post something that
includes words
like fool, absurd, or idiot,
Bill - it's easy to ignore - like I do 99.999% of the time - use the delete key.
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you
I would love to, but can’t allow silly non mainframe comments by others go
unchallenged.
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:52 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:
Bill - please use some restraint and keep your posts focused on mainframe
topics.
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Bill - please use some restraint and keep your posts focused on mainframe
topics.
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you
Clearly global warming is occurring. And if you think otherwise, you’re an
ignorant fool.
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:46 AM, David Spiegel
<0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their
On 8/30/2023 5:14 AM, Peter Relson wrote:
I'll bite. Why would you want to switch? Activating it is one thing.
There are situations where a job might run better not multi-threaded.
It's not clear that the system ever would run better not multi-threaded.
It seems to me that if a shop can
Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air
illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit.
On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote:
Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods in
the history of the world.
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On 8/30/23 12:42 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
I've been told by IBMer's not to talk about such things, so I need to
drop out now.
Chuckle.
Fair enough.
I'm just talking about a special purpose Linux box from a vendor to run
a vendor application. ;-)
I hoist my coffee to you.
Have a good day.
Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods in
the history of the world.
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On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot
wrote:
Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be
you are asking an
Somewhat related, Lotus 1-2-3/M existed for VM/CMS and MVS as well, but
apparently vanished from the surface of the earth. You cannot even find
a screenshot of it.
-Alex
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 12:17:15PM +, Timothy Sipples wrote:
> I'm wondering what the status is of the following
David,
Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if
anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is
exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap.
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe
Peter,
In theory, I agree with you. In practice, I know of at least one shop with one
system where overall throughput was worse with SMT=2 than with SMT=1 - and none
of their systems got the benefits IBM predicted. I'm not saying it's common
but it has happened.
Jim Horne
From: IBM
I'm wondering what the status is of the following software:
1. The Works Record System (WRS), developed by ICI in the United Kingdom. First
version in 1974. One report suggests it was still used as late as 2001.
2. ExecuCalc, developed by Parallax Systems and first released in 1982.
ExecuCalc
I'll bite. Why would you want to switch? Activating it is one thing.
There are situations where a job might run better not multi-threaded.
It's not clear that the system ever would run better not multi-threaded.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
Note you also must IPL PROCVIEW CORE (optionally append ,CPU_OK) in LOADxx
before you can switch back and forth by the setting in IEAOPTxx.
Scott Chapman
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On 8/29/23 9:49 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Just to be clear, I'm not talking about doing anything to the HMC that
isn't sanctioned by IBM.
I assumed as much.
And pardon me if you already know this, but HMC's are really locked
down.
Well ... IBM took a reasonable pass at making the older HMCs
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