Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

The 2260 had no function keys. The 3270 was available with half a dozen keyboard arrangements, with no, five or 12 function keys. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

They are *all* dinosaurs

d PL/I are legacy but C is not. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

023 6:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS question > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 01:11:05 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > You are repeating the same old lie. What lie are you saying I'm repeating? z/VM console 3215 for screen scraping? Are you saying y

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

suffer fools gladly and do not respect the opinions of those who deliberately misrepresent what is in contention. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Sunday, July 30, 2023 11:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS question > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 02:05:59 AM PDT, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > I was spot on when I wrote that the CP and z/OS definitions had to be in > synch. In what world were you spot o

Re: of COBOL and other languages [was: Definition of mainframe?]

ds it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Rick Troth [tro...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2023 7:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: of COBO

Re: speaking of filesystems [was: Definition of mainframe?]

classify RECFM as device dependent, but I would agree that, e.g., SPACE is, at least partially. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [042bf

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

. > I will show respect as long as respect is returned. That is an outright lie. > What I've learned is that you are a hypocrite. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

re rather than what they wrote. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman [jperr...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 2:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

2023 at 02:10:11 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz < > sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > Wrong again. When running z/OS under VM for production, multiple 3270 > consoles is the norm. > > See-more Putz. What are you saying is wrong with my second sentence that > says "z/OS has many cons

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Wrong again. When running z/OS under VM for production, multiple 3270 consoles is the norm. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Perryman Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2023 5:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS quest

Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

Yep, "Model 1 displays 480 characters (12 rows of 40 characters)." Did you have keyboard issues? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of billogden Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXT] Ars Technica

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

PKB. The fact that you don't understand something doesn't make it silly. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman [jperr...@pacbell

Re: Subject: Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

? By the time the 370/148 came out 3270s were old hat. 3270-1? Did you mean 3277-1? I never saw one in the flesh, and it was way to small. OS/VS1 did have some things that MVS did not -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

z/OS uses a DIAG to communicate with the HMC; this is true even when running on a bare LPAR. I'm not aware of any publicly available documentation. Do you have a CONSOLE with DEVNUM(HMCS) or DEVNUM(SYSCONS)? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

I take it that you can't read. "I would have expected" is not a claim of fact. Or did you know that and choose to lie about it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

That's why I would have expected them to die in lockstep. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tony Harminc [t...@harminc.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 26,

Re: Curved Flat Screen

4K or 8K? But even the former is a lot of real estate. Can you view both without having to move your head? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of david

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

<https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/720pdfs/72626811.pdf#page=70> is ATTACH, but DIAL is more useful for MVS guests. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of

Re: Curved Flat Screen

I know; that's why it's stranger to see, e.g., 240 Hz, listed as a resolution. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Matt Hogstrom [m...@hogstrom

Re: Apply job failed GIM240001E for connect direct 6.2

LIST MAC(DGA$SAMP,DMOS,DMDYNCB,DMGSAFWA,DMFSQCB,DMFRIXCB,SCENTER) LIST SRC(DMGBLS) Should give you the relevant libraries. If there's not target library then you may have to throw in SMPMTS in front of the DLIB library. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

> The only CONSOLE DEV(###) that would be useful to Phil are printers that are > compatible with z/VM 3215. Whoosh! The only relevant device is the one that z/OS doesn't support? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ___

Re: Curved Flat Screen

That's a strange ad: it keeps giving the "resolution" in Hz, instead of 2560x1440. With a 27" screen size I'd suggest considering 3840x2160 ("4K UHD"). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From:

Re: Curved Flat Screen

Ignoring cost, what is the largest usable monitor for work, and what is the best aspect ratio? I'm currently using a 23" UHD (16:9), and am looking to get something larger. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Marjory Montgomery <031be9a

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

I would have expected 1052-7, 3210 and 3215 support to die at the same time. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 10:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Curved Flat Screen

Sounds like an ultrawide with a 21:9 aspect ratio. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 11:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Curved Flat S

Re: Curved Flat Screen

> Like all of us I run a pair of 23x11 flat screens Not all of us; I've always preferred one big monitor. Lots of vendors sell 48" curved monitors. What aspect ratio do you want. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Beaver Sent: Tuesd

Re: [EXT] Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

Yes, the article has some truly amazing fact™s. But CICS does have the ability to run a transactions in an isolated subtask. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 10:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

kup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com > > > --- Original Message ------- > On Tuesday, July 25th, 2023 at 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > > > BTAM? I remember that MCS on OS/360 used BTAM to support a 2740, but I > never saw one used in the flesh, and, IAC, it's

Re: Apply job failed GIM240001E for connect direct 6.2

Look up the macro in the CSI and add its target library to the CSI. LIST MAC(...) Include the target library in the syslib concatenation. If there is no target library, include the dlib library and SMPMTS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

BTAM? I remember that MCS on OS/360 used BTAM to support a 2740, but I never saw one used in the flesh, and, IAC, it's long dead. IS BTAM/SP still a thing? IAC, another usful thing for the OP to read. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: Ars Technica: The IBM mainframe: How it runs and why it survives

> IBM 1401 Mainframe? > Univac, Rand, Sperry 1+1+1=1 > Amdahl, GE, RCA, NEC, Fujitsu, Hitachi, Unisys, Honeywell, Burroughs, and CDC FSVO "early* Also seems to confuse CPU with CEC; it's been a long time since MVS was limited to 32 CPUs. POWER? Fro

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Do you have the URL for the Tracy Dean paper? Does it spell out all the pieces? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Allan Staller Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 10:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS question Classifi

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

HCD is the interactive tool that you use to maintain the IODF, which among other things defines the MVS I/O configuration. MCS is Multiple Console Support, the component that is concerned with controlling MVS consoles. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

That looks like the result of CP, HCD and MCS not specifying the same device type. What happens if all three are 3215? What happens if all three are 3270? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

o reiterate for your benefit things that I already spelled out. RYFM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman [jperr...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, July

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

a 3270 datastream Never has, never will. The only complication is the need to manually enter, e.g., CP SPOOL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

messages. Thus it ever were. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jon Perryman [jperr...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 10:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Your not keeping your MVS and VM in synch; 3E1 should be a 3215 on both or a 3270 on both. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 5:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS questi

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

ately. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Phil Smith III [li...@akphs.com] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 6:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ignorant

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

It means that if your TN3270 client supports extended color then MCS can exploit it. It also means that a console can be larger than 24x80. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

BTW, if you are running z/OS rather than the free MVS then you probably want UNIT(3270-X) for your CONSOLE definitions. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 1:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subj

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Your virtual machine definition has to be in synch with the guest OS. Your console definitions are part of that. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: R

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Most likely what you've seen before was a guest with the console defined as 3215 and an MCS definition of that virtual device as a hardcopy console. I'm not aware of any mechanism for CP to capture syslog or operlog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.e

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

I'm pretty sure that CP does not log guest messages to a virtual 3270, only to a virtual 3215. The OP could always define a virtual printer as an MCS console and process the SPOOL output. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Ignorant z/OS question

Define a 3270 address that you can DIAL into; don't forget to use RESET rather than DETACH when you're done. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 12:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ign

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

The only safe way to run AC(1) code from an unauthorized program is via TSO services that leave the unauthorized code nondispatchable for the duration. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Michael Stein Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 10:02 AM

Early UNIX certifications for MVS

What was the first X/OPEN UNIX certification for MVS? The first The Unix Group certification? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

No. But you can shift the workload and wait for current jobs to finish. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 10:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subj

Re: C++ coroutines are recent, and difficult?

make sense, although from my trivial understanding it might make coroutines less useful for my kind of work. Roops On Sun, 16 Jul 2023, 12:08 Seymour J Metz, wrote: > With ATTACH, you need to play games to prevent two tasks from running > concurrently on two CPUs. With coroutines, yo

Re: C++ coroutines are recent, and difficult?

and difficult? On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 11:08:51 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >With ATTACH, you need to play games to prevent two tasks from running >concurrently on two CPUs. With coroutines, you have multiples contexts within >a single thread; there is no need for explicit interlocking. >

Re: C++ coroutines are recent, and difficult?

With ATTACH, you need to play games to prevent two tasks from running concurrently on two CPUs. With coroutines, you have multiples contexts within a single thread; there is no need for explicit interlocking. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: A question about CPU usage on z/OS

Every thing should be as simple as possible but no simpler. A non-zero wait count in the current RB of a task is only one of the reasons that it may not eligible to run. Address space ineligible TCB nondispatchable Current RB has wait count > 0 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz h

Re: A question about CPU usage on z/OS

It's a bit more complicated. A TCB is eligible if is dispatchable and its current RB has a 0 wait count. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Perryman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: A que

Re: How to set a SLIP to catch S0C4 in OMVS separate AS

A paging exception for an allocated page doesn't cause an S0C4, although a reference to an unallocated page does. I would expect a lot more of the former than the latter. Has anybody compiled metrics? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon

Re: Userid schemes

I believe that it's because a single id is easier to audit. Apparently easy audits are more important than actual security. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sub

Re: Userid schemes

For testing authorized code, it helps to have a userid with minimal privileges. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Userid schemes I had 3 id's on ea

Re: Userid schemes

English has many nouns that have both gender neutral and gender specific uses; demanding that we stop using terms that are in no way derogatory is linguistic fascism. OTOH, there are words that really derogatory, and we should refrain from using those.

Re: Userid schemes

You could connect them all to a dummy group with no privileges. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Userid schemes I like the part about service IDs.

Re: Userid schemes

on't like multiple user ids..." > It's not the first time auditors have had illogical ideas. > > OTOH, 2 or more people sharing a Userid is BAD. > > Regards, > David > > On 2023-07-14 08:38, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Auditors don't like multiple

Re: Userid schemes

Auditors don't like multiple user ids, but sysprogs are usually in multiple roles, with different authority requirements. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Colin Paice Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subje

Re: Userid schemes

Ah, yes, nannyware and the evils thereof :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent

Re: Where does the IHASLMSG mapping macro live?

That gives the content of the macro, but it doesn't say what library contains it. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 11:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV

Re: Where does the IHASLMSG mapping macro live?

Did you search your target zone? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Shaw Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 10:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Where does the IHASLMSG mapping macro live? Listers, The doc for the SLIP command's

Re: OSA-ICC question

You can define a console to automatically logon to the console name, and use, e.g., RACF, to control what commands it will accept. Normally you will define the consol userids with minimal authority and require the operator to log on if he needs more authority. Anything that supports real local

Re: Python 3.11 on z/OS - UTF-8 errors

. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Andrew Rowley [and...@blackhillsoftware.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 12:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re

Re: A question about CPU usage on z/OS

A task can only use one CPU at a time, but MVS has never limited an address space to a single CPU except for the case of CPU affinity, which I have never seen used. However, many batch jobs do not exploit multitasking and thus cannot exploit multiple CPUs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: Python 3.11 on z/OS - UTF-8 errors

(Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Andrew Rowley [and...@blackhillsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 9:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Python 3.11

Re: "National" characters

, 2023 3:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "National" characters On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 18:35:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >That's a definite maybe. You can certainly have a null in a quoted DSN, but >you can't catalog it, which makes it pretty useless. >

Re: C DLL abend CEE3350S

There's a difference between an entry point and a csect. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Eric Erickson Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: C DLL abend CEE3350S I've a LE C DLL I've built that conta

Re: "National" characters

s #, $ and @ in identifiers, but I believe that ANSI removed them in the standard. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [042bfe9c

Re: "National" characters

ot;[" would be a national character. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Matt Hogstrom [m...@hogstrom.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 1:48 PM To: IBM-MA

Latches?

Were latches part of MVS/ESA SP V4.3 OE, or did they come later? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: "National" characters

Both, cross referenced. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: "National" characters The JCL Ref. calls "

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

Monday, July 10, 2023 10:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names) On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:15:00 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >What I really want is X11 support in TSO and ISPF. > Does either TSO or ISPF.prohibit X11? I would imagine tha

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:15:00 +0000, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I believe that you're thinking of the WorkStation Agent, which, alas, IBM has >dropped. I found it extremely useful, despite the awful limitations of >cut-and-paste. > >What I really want is X11 support in TSO and ISP

Re: Code Page for dataset names

I believe that you're thinking of the WorkStation Agent, which, alas, IBM has dropped. I found it extremely useful, despite the awful limitations of cut-and-paste. What I really want is X11 support in TSO and ISPF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

unday, July 9, 2023 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names) On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:50:31 +0000, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Legacy bidi is a can of worms. > It saved a bunch of coding in ISPF Edit/View. Low

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

ge for dataset names) On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:15:18 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode and the size of a character depends on its >code point. I'm not sure what you mean by a UTF-8 character. > I stand corrected. "A sequence of octets valid in UTF9."

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode and the size of a character depends on its code point. I'm not sure what you mean by a UTF-8 character. UNIX is ASCII-based, and I'm not aware of any new certification requirement to support Unicode. However, as a practical matter the marketplace demands it. My u

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

I'm not sure what you mean by "Interestingly, MacOS supports UTF-8 filenames but prohibits ISO-8859 names which are not valid UTF-8." UTF-8 is just an encoding of Unicode, not a character set. For a valid UTF-8 string, every octet must be less than '80'X except for the introducers for code point

Re: Editor (was: Code Page for dataset names)

I see a list of languages with one anomaly: Latin appears twice, once as "Latin" and once as לתינית, the Hebrew name for Latin. I can't read the Greek and Cyrillic, but as best I can tell they render properly. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behal

Re: Hosting IBM documents

Some things get archived, but a lot of things don't. Start editing wiki and you'll be confronted by that. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 11:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Hostin

Re: Hosting IBM documents

7;m pretty sure the folks in 2523 will know what I meant. On 7/8/2023 5:22 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > The WWW is not the Internet. > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Tom Brennan > Sent: Saturday, July 8,

Re: Hosting IBM documents

The WWW is not the Internet. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 5:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Hosting IBM documents But does anything on the internet really go away? I can imagi

Re: Code Page for dataset names

The name Unix System Services came later, well after IBM obtained X/Open XPG4 certification. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Attila Fogarasi Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 7:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Code Page for data

Re: Incident Response

In some cases you get to the correct page without the fragment or query, n some cases you need both, and every variation in between. How muc you need varies from link to link. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: Incident Response

ObQoheleth Pinto. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lionel B. Dyck Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 7:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Incident Response Excellent points in this article https://www.computerworld.com/article/3701892/

Re: Double ampersand?

: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 9:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Double ampersand? On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 22:06:39 +0000, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The use of a single ampe

Re: Double ampersand?

The use of a single ampersand is older than symbolic parameters; see, e.g., From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 5:53

Re: OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF

Yes, but is every Scots dialect intelligible to every native Scots speaker, or are there mutually unintelligible regional dialects. Think Cockney versus Oxford or Boston, MA versus Augusta, GA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: 0C1 abend

Between the IEC message and R14, I've found missing DD to be easy to diagnose. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.E

Re: Programming Hardware

I've got a couple of Kensington trackballs that include scroll wheels. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 10:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Programming Hardware Which reminds me:

OT: RE: [EXT] Re: z/OSMF

Aggie derives from "agricultural school"; I assure you that the English of, e.g.,Australia, New Zealand, UK, is just as opaque to us. Does Scotland have English terms that are understood in some regions but not all? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.e

Re: Programming Hardware

I've had the same problem on logitech track balls. BTW, does anybody still make mini trackballs for laptops. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jeremy Nicoll Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 7:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pro

Re: 0C1 abend

fe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 0C1 abend On Tue, 4 Jul 2023 19:02:47 +0000, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I'm not convinced that it would have been too expensive in OS/360. > It was considered so expensive

Re: 0C1 abend

I'm not convinced that it would have been too expensive in OS/360. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 2:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 0C1 abend On Tue, Jul 4, 2023, 13:08 Paul Gilma

Re: 0C1 abend

That sounds like a job for ChaatGPT From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 1:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 0C1 abend On Tue, Jul 4, 2023, 12:13 zMan wrote: > Indeed. It's hard to see

Re: 0C1 abend

Yes; the exact address depends on DCBMACRF. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent

Re: 0C1 abend

I would expect x13 when the ddname exists but is not correctly specified; I would be shocked to get an x13 for a missing ddname. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

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