Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:49:42 -0500, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Just catching up after a few days away from IBM-MAIN. I'm sure you've had lots of responses by now. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? Disk or tape? For tape, not since using virtual tapes. Used to see them from vendors fairly often back in the day. I recall being at a couple of shops that had less than 6 chars. for disk also. But that was a very long time ago when systems were much smaller. 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). My client uses every letter and number in their ranges so there is no overlap between the many sysplexes / monoplexes in the environment. There used to be some overlap but when they migrated from one vendor's virtual solution to another in 2011, new unique ranges were chosen for all environments. And a lot of swapping also, to facilitate migration (for example An moved from sysplex #1 to sysplex #2, while Bn moved from sysplex #2 to sysplex #1).BTW, that migration included all physical tape as well so I have been in a tapeless environment since then. The CA-1 exits were fairly simple to use, but they aren't required any longer. The new method is much easier and I for one was very happy to get rid of them for this large environment I support. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS ITIL v3 Foundation Certified mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://search390.techtarget.com/ateExperts/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
I was pleased by EJ's response. Moreover, it seems to me that ISVs, and thus Phoenix Software a fortiori, are commercial shops. It is not necessary to be a retrograde bank or insurance company to qualify as one. I have often inveighed here against what I take to be reactionary, fatuous, risk-averse practices in 'old' mainframe shops; but it must be remembered that they were not always so; they were once staffed by sysprogs who wrote assembly language and exits with facility (and did not regard doing so as 'hard'). There are thus many such exits in place In these shops, and tape labels of the form alphnabeticsnumerics are common in them. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On 3/14/2014 10:49 AM, John McKown wrote: There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? All the time. Right now I'm looking at volumes LAN01, LAN02 and LAN03 which are EAVs holding large zFS data sets for use by DFS/SMB server. 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Define commercial. :) All of our 3590 tape cartridges are labeled An if they are blue (3590-J) and Bn if they are green (3590-K). Presumably, when we get some newer-technology drives in house, those tapes will be labeled Cn and so forth. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On 16/03/2014 2:53 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Yes, because management got thousands of tape labels printed for the new MVS system before the sysprogs heard about it. Details? Does the exit merely map non-number tape serials to numeric? Yes, my recollection is that the exit's function was to convert non-numeric characters to EBCDIC numeric characters and then pass it on for normal processing. There may even have been a reverse the process exit - sysprogs who look after such a beast now would be able to say for sure. The reason for the non-numeric characters? Management thought it might be nice if the first two characters were alphabetics forming a common abbreviation of the corporation name. Yes, this did limit the tape library to 10**4 carts (this was the epoch of 3480 cartridge drives), but that limit was not reached while I was there. I am sure you can imagine our delight when we found out yet another little set up (the new system) task that could have been oh-so-easily avoided. And yes, there were upgrades done for which we forgot about the exit - until jobs ran which could not use their tapes. Oh for DLPA back then Cheers, Greg --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:53:19 +1100, Greg Price wrote: The reason for the non-numeric characters? Management thought it might be nice if the first two characters were alphabetics forming a common abbreviation of the corporation name. SMP/E product tapes are 2 letters and 4 digits, aren't they? Yes, this did limit the tape library to 10**4 carts (this was the epoch of 3480 cartridge drives), but that limit was not reached while I was there. Not 26*26*10**4? IIRC, in the 1960's an organization (SHARE?) attempted to establish a global registry of tape volumes, assigning a 2-letter prefix to each member entity. UQ for University of Colorado. I am sure you can imagine our delight when we found out yet another little set up (the new system) task that could have been oh-so-easily avoided. ... Yup. On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 23:10:27 -0500, Russell Witt wrote: 1) If you code VOL=SER=1234,UNIT= does that mean it is leading blanks or trailing blanks? In either case, CA 1 will support both 4-character volsers and 5-character volsers. 2) Boy, when was the last time you worked with CA 1? Must have been about 15 years ago if you don't know about TMSXTEND. We eliminated the need (in most cases) for the alpha/numeric volser translation exits a long time ago. Of course there are some exceptions we haven't done yet, the NT-NT and the 00-00 (base 26) that IBM Europe likes to play with. And we have seen 1 request for 00-00 (base 36) and even 1 request for 00-00 (base 16). But as long as the Alpha's are on the left and numerics on the right; no exit is needed. Sounds like shirking; ad-hoc knee-jerk reaction; nothing to boast of. First support all numeric because that addresses a market for which there's a business justiification. But provide an exit to collect niche revenue. Later, as the market saturates and remaining prospects resist implementing and maintaining an exit, progressively accommodate their particular conventions. Why not simply Do the Right Thing, and support the full syntax documented in the JCL Reference? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
John McKown writes: There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? RACF for z/VM labels its database (mini)disks with the 4-character volser RACF for the primary. The backup one is RACFBK. When the RACF databases are shared between z/VM systems (for example, in any Single System Image configuration) those minidisks need to be full volumes in order for z/VM to propagate RESERVE/RELEASE. In that case, those volsers appear on the real volumes. Depending on the customer, some keep the default labels and some take the needed non-trivial actions to get RACF to use different labels. --Malcolm -- Malcolm Beattie Linux and System z Technical Consultant IBM UK Systems and Technology Group -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
Gil, While the exits are not needed if the volser has alpha/numeric on the left and all numerics on the right; the exits are still available. And we have worked up the 01-01 ranges, as well as the base-16 ranges. The client wanting base 36 (0-Z) decided against it after seeing how many volumes could be obtained by simply having 1 or 2 alpha/numeric (base 36) with 4-characters of all numeric. Russell On 03/17/14, Paul Gilmartinpaulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:53:19 +1100, Greg Price wrote: The reason for the non-numeric characters? Management thought it might be nice if the first two characters were alphabetics forming a common abbreviation of the corporation name. SMP/E product tapes are 2 letters and 4 digits, aren't they? Yes, this did limit the tape library to 10**4 carts (this was the epoch of 3480 cartridge drives), but that limit was not reached while I was there. Not 26*26*10**4? IIRC, in the 1960's an organization (SHARE?) attempted to establish a global registry of tape volumes, assigning a 2-letter prefix to each member entity. UQ for University of Colorado. I am sure you can imagine our delight when we found out yet another little set up (the new system) task that could have been oh-so-easily avoided. ... Yup. On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 23:10:27 -0500, Russell Witt wrote: 1) If you code VOL=SER=1234,UNIT= does that mean it is leading blanks or trailing blanks? In either case, CA 1 will support both 4-character volsers and 5-character volsers. 2) Boy, when was the last time you worked with CA 1? Must have been about 15 years ago if you don't know about TMSXTEND. We eliminated the need (in most cases) for the alpha/numeric volser translation exits a long time ago. Of course there are some exceptions we haven't done yet, the NT-NT and the 00-00 (base 26) that IBM Europe likes to play with. And we have seen 1 request for 00-00 (base 36) and even 1 request for 00-00 (base 16). But as long as the Alpha's are on the left and numerics on the right; no exit is needed. Sounds like shirking; ad-hoc knee-jerk reaction; nothing to boast of. First support all numeric because that addresses a market for which there's a business justiification. But provide an exit to collect niche revenue. Later, as the market saturates and remaining prospects resist implementing and maintaining an exit, progressively accommodate their particular conventions. Why not simply Do the Right Thing, and support the full syntax documented in the JCL Reference? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On 15/03/2014 4:49 AM, John McKown wrote: 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Yes, because management got thousands of tape labels printed for the new MVS system before the sysprogs heard about it. Delusions above their station in life, if you ask me... And yes, we had to maintain that irritating exit... :( --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 02:16:34 +1100, Greg Price wrote: On 15/03/2014 4:49 AM, John McKown wrote: 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, One plausible reason is a library containing over a million volumes. Is this realistic? Perhaps virtually? Perhaps a large name space, but sparsely populated? CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Yes, because management got thousands of tape labels printed for the new MVS system before the sysprogs heard about it. Details? Does the exit merely map non-number tape serials to numeric? But see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle Delusions above their station in life, if you ask me... Or, perhaps, unforgivable design shortcuts on the part of CA. They should have read and honored the specification of volume serial in the JCL Ref. (In areas such as this, I have mixed feelings about the relevance of Postel's Robustness Principle.) And yes, we had to maintain that irritating exit... -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
Tape labels are a baroque, even roccoco subject, about which I have had to learn more than I wanted to know over the years. The best [and only current] source for information about them is not the JCL manual; it is the publication z/OS DSFMS using magnetic tapes, newly numbered SC23-6858-00 for z/OS 2.1. Jonathan Postel's notion of robustness can---like any 'principle'---be misused to defend the indefensible. It is perhaps most useful as a heuristic. Highly plausible but in the end fallible conjectures like gmail.com == http://gmail.com succeeds most of the time, and attempted disambiguations need not always succeed to be useful. In the words of William James, which I seem to remember using here before, If a frog jumps at a hook baited with piece of red flannel, too bad for that particular frog; but redness does often signal the presence of edibles, and for the race of frogs . . . Postel's notion is particularly useful when inputs and outputs can be distinguished sharply. I once wrote a roman- to arabic-numeral and arabic- to roman-numeral conversion routine for a group of art historians. It accepts non-canonical but unambiguous (and surprisingly common in the art-historical literature] roman-numeral inputs like MIM, which it converts into 1999. On the other hand, given 1999 for conversion into a roman numeral, it produces the long-winded canonical value MCMXCIX. In any case, nil nisi bonum mortuis. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
John, 1) If you code VOL=SER=1234,UNIT= does that mean it is leading blanks or trailing blanks? In either case, CA 1 will support both 4-character volsers and 5-character volsers. 2) Boy, when was the last time you worked with CA 1? Must have been about 15 years ago if you don't know about TMSXTEND. We eliminated the need (in most cases) for the alpha/numeric volser translation exits a long time ago. Of course there are some exceptions we haven't done yet, the NT-NT and the 00-00 (base 26) that IBM Europe likes to play with. And we have seen 1 request for 00-00 (base 36) and even 1 request for 00-00 (base 16). But as long as the Alpha's are on the left and numerics on the right; no exit is needed. Russell Witt CA 1 Principal Architect On 03/14/14, John McKownjohn.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. -- There is nothing more pleasant than traveling and meeting new people! Genghis Khan Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. -- There is nothing more pleasant than traveling and meeting new people! Genghis Khan Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
Over the years I have supported the freeware and commercial MXI products, I have definitely seen both of these types of things from various customers. Rob Scott Lead Developer Rocket Software 77 Fourth Avenue . Suite 100 . Waltham . MA 02451-1468 . USA Tel: +1.781.684.2305 Email: rsc...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: 14 March 2014 17:50 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. -- There is nothing more pleasant than traveling and meeting new people! Genghis Khan Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
W dniu 2014-03-14 18:49, John McKown pisze: There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. 2. Yes. We use alphanumeric volsers. Why? Naming convention. BTW: I know several shops, including large one which are using letters in volser. 1. While shorter volume serials are clearly legal and possible, the spaces or special characters are simply out of standard, aren't they? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2014 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.696.052 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
John McKown wrote: 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? Not me. Is it possible to have those weird VOLSERs? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? Yes, *if* they have volsers labels in the first place in those years ago when there were round tapes, no SMS, no HSM, no VTS, 3380 DASD, no RACF, only SNA, etc. TAPEMAP was a blessing because the [magnetic] volser does not always match whatever [pen/pencil] volser was written on the stickers... ;-) Reason: datacentres have in those years (pre 1990) swapped tapes for data exchange and any names could do as a volser. Say: BCKUPA, BCKUPB, etc. or NOVAAA (November tape AAA), etc. It also depends on the whims of the owner of that tape(s). There were NO naming standards at all. Duplicate names in a tape vault were a PITA of course. I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Yuck! I will cry if I have to maintain that stupid lame exit... ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
ISTR that CA used to (since the 80s) distribute their installation tapes with alpha plus numeric volsers. I recall that the volser reflected the version/mod level of the product. On 3/14/2014 1:22 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: John McKown wrote: 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? Not me. Is it possible to have those weird VOLSERs? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? Yes, *if* they have volsers labels in the first place in those years ago when there were round tapes, no SMS, no HSM, no VTS, 3380 DASD, no RACF, only SNA, etc. TAPEMAP was a blessing because the [magnetic] volser does not always match whatever [pen/pencil] volser was written on the stickers... ;-) Reason: datacentres have in those years (pre 1990) swapped tapes for data exchange and any names could do as a volser. Say: BCKUPA, BCKUPB, etc. or NOVAAA (November tape AAA), etc. It also depends on the whims of the owner of that tape(s). There were NO naming standards at all. Duplicate names in a tape vault were a PITA of course. I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Yuck! I will cry if I have to maintain that stupid lame exit... ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
Wasn't able to find a architectual requirement for MVS vol sers via search at IBM. But can report I just initialized DASD volumes with the names of 'K' and '0' (zero). MVS doesn't seem to care but other components might. Ken On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:07 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: W dniu 2014-03-14 18:49, John McKown pisze: There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. 2. Yes. We use alphanumeric volsers. Why? Naming convention. BTW: I know several shops, including large one which are using letters in volser. 1. While shorter volume serials are clearly legal and possible, the spaces or special characters are simply out of standard, aren't they? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl http://www.mbank.pl/, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2014 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.696.052 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
From the JCL reference manual for the DD statement: [volume] serial-number subparameters (1 - 255): volume serial numbers (1 - 6 alphanumeric, $, #, @, or special characters) -Original Message- From: Ken Smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 3:43 PM Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape Wasn't able to find a architectual requirement for MVS vol sers via search at IBM. But can report I just initialized DASD volumes with the names of 'K' and '0' (zero). MVS doesn't seem to care but other components might. Ken On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:07 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: W dniu 2014-03-14 18:49, John McKown pisze: There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. 2. Yes. We use alphanumeric volsers. Why? Naming convention. BTW: I know several shops, including large one which are using letters in volser. 1. While shorter volume serials are clearly legal and possible, the spaces or special characters are simply out of standard, aren't they? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorized to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, www.mBank.pl http://www.mbank.pl/, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2014 r. kapitał zakładowy mBanku S.A. (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.696.052 złote. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On 14 March 2014 13:49, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? Decades ago the university I worked at had a standard of N and F for Native and Foreign tapes, respectively. I don't know why they were all five characters, but surmise that there were occasional historic reasons to have slots labeled with a suffix. Regardless, they are perfectly legal volsers. For some reason many people have insisted to me over the years that not only must tape volsers be all numeric, but that leading zeros will be inferred if not supplied. Both these claims are untrue. The rules for tape volsers are not different from those for disks. 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? Yes - see above. Well, perhaps a university is not commercial in the sense you mean, but we were very much a production shop, and not a nest of developers. I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Heh... We were a very early installation of what is now CA's ASM2 archival system. In those days, it used IEHMOVE (cringe) to offload data to tape, and the generated control statements included a full six bytes of tape volser, which predictably IEHMOVE didn't like. Well, not so much didn't like, but treated the characters after the trailing blank as a comment, with at times disastrous results. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
Non-numeric volsers with CA-1 from the beginning when they bought it from Uccel. Can't say why because it was before my time. I did install it once before they made it easier. The volser translation exits were minor compared to the zapping in the intercepts :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. -- There is nothing more pleasant than traveling and meeting new people! Genghis Khan Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
Most of the shops I've worked in used AlphaNumeric Tape volsers Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape Non-numeric volsers with CA-1 from the beginning when they bought it from Uccel. Can't say why because it was before my time. I did install it once before they made it easier. The volser translation exits were minor compared to the zapping in the intercepts :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape There is a thread over on TSO-REXX about splitting up a string into volume serials. This has occasioned two questions to me. 1) Has anybody ever had a VOLSER which was not exactly 6 non-blank characters for a regularly used volume? Especially any trailing blanks? 2) Has any commercial shop ever used non-numeric tape volume serials for normal in-house tapes? If so, why? I ask because, at least historically, CA-1's support of non-number tape serials was difficult (needed some sort of mapping exit as I recall). Just curious. -- There is nothing more pleasant than traveling and meeting new people! Genghis Khan Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:01:27 -0400, Joe Testa wrote:
From the JCL reference manual for the DD statement:
[volume] serial-number subparameters (1 - 255):
volume serial numbers (1 - 6 alphanumeric, $, #, @, or special characters)
http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v2r1/topic/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieab600/iea3b6_Subparameter_definition60.htm
...
SER=serial-number
SER=(serial-number[,serial-number]...)
Identifies by serial number the volume(s) on which the data set resides or
will reside. A volume serial number is 1 through 6 alphanumeric, national ($,
#, @), or special characters; enclose a serial number that contains special
characters, other than hyphens, in apostrophes. If the number is shorter than 6
characters, it is padded with trailing blanks.
Perhaps the presumption of leading zero pad comes from an unspecified
middleware ISV product, given the modal belief that volume serials are
decimal numbers.
Be careful. Elsewhere, about a dozen special characters are enumerated.
Anything else is invalid. But this is not validated. (My information may be
outdated.)
Long ago, about the boundary between MVS/SP 1.3 and MVS/XA, a cow-orker
was doing some empirical research about not what the document says is valid
('AB CDE' seems to be valid if blank is a valid special character; 'Ab Cde' is
invalid.), but what a rogue customer might code. He discovered:
o Nearly anything coded in JCL between apostrophes is accepted as valid,
regardless what TFM asserts.
o But some things cause bizarre results; not syntax errors, but unexpected
errors in system code. We conjectured that some prefix of invalid
characters was used to denote that the remainder of the volser was either
a control block address or an exit address to which the supervisor branched
without validation.
I hope this sort of cruft has been cleaned up lately.
...
Start of change You can code a maximum of 255 volume serial numbers on a DD
statement. The maximum number of volume serial numbers for a VSAM or
SMS-managed data set is 59. End of change
Awww, c'mon. What ever became of good ol' fashion' revision bars?
-- gil
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Re: curious: volsers 6 non-blank chars non-numeric tape
On 3/14/2014 3:43 PM, Ken Smith wrote: Wasn't able to find a architectual requirement for MVS vol sers via search at IBM. When a job calls for an unlabeled scratch, the tape is referred to as Ln Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
