Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote: We produce reports on our z/OS CPU utilization. They are reported in local time, with a.m. and p.m.. Because apparently only military (and pilots) understand Zulu time. So, twice a year, I must explain why we never seem to have any activity on Sunday from 02:00 to 03:00 in

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: That's something I observe in US (people don't understand such gismo like 17:15). Here, in Poland every official time table, even on bus stop use 24h clock. Of course we use local time, and we don't use 'Zulu' name, rather GMT (incorretly, but who cares) or UTC. Of

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John Gilmore wrote: Every American who has been in the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock. Adopt it for your report, explaining what it is in an attached text note for the first 15 days for which it is used. Thats what I use for all my RACF reports. 24 hour instead of

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Mark Regan
Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Another reason to hate the time change Every American who has been in  the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock.  Adopt it for your report, explaining what

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
A lot of non-military people in Canada use it. Especially in IT. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Scott Ford Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 21:57 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Another reason to hate the time change In Europe we used the 24 hr

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:06:36 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: We did care when we installed STP. We intentionally 'lost' two hours and restarted all our toys including the STP. I specifically wrote Assembler, COBOL and REXX programs to verify our conversion by using all the different macros

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote: We did care when we installed STP. We intentionally 'lost' two hours and restarted all our toys including the STP. I specifically wrote Assembler, COBOL and REXX programs to verify our conversion by using all the different macros to extract times in various formats and

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Mike Schwab
Set bicycle computer to desired clock. Adjust the tire size calibration number to yield the correct distance in the other measuring system. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: don't support 24-hour. My bicycle computer is peculiar: it offers either

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On 11 March 2014 08:48, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: My microwave oven and my clock radio don't support 24-hour. Microwave ovens are an odd case, because some support 24-hour time, but most don't. But more interestingly many of them support a curious mixed-base notation. So I can

Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread John McKown
We produce reports on our z/OS CPU utilization. They are reported in local time, with a.m. and p.m.. Because apparently only military (and pilots) understand Zulu time. So, twice a year, I must explain why we never seem to have any activity on Sunday from 02:00 to 03:00 in the spring, and how we

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Mitch
reason to hate the time change We produce reports on our z/OS CPU utilization. They are reported in local ime, with a.m. and p.m.. Because apparently only military (and pilots) nderstand Zulu time. So, twice a year, I must explain why we never seem to ave any activity on Sunday from 02:00 to 03:00

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:58:53 -0500, John McKown wrote: We produce reports on our z/OS CPU utilization. They are reported in local time, with a.m. and p.m.. Because apparently only military (and pilots) understand Zulu time. So, twice a year, I must explain why we never seem to have any activity

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Pommier, Rex
: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Another reason to hate the time change We produce reports on our z/OS CPU utilization. They are reported in local time, with a.m. and p.m.. Because apparently only military (and pilots) understand Zulu time. So, twice a year, I

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread R.S.
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:58:53 -0500, John McKown wrote: We produce reports on our z/OS CPU utilization. They are reported in local time, with a.m. and p.m.. Because apparently only military (and pilots) understand Zulu time. That's something I observe in US (people don't understand such gismo

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread John Gilmore
Every American who has been in the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock. Adopt it for your report, explaining what it is in an attached text note for the first 15 days for which it is used. The twelve-hour clock has nothing to recommend it. Anciently, there were not two

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Shannon
Every American who has been in the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock. A diminishing number of Americans have that experience. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread DASDBILL2
: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:11:43 PM Subject: Re: Another reason to hate the time change Every American who has been in  the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock.  Adopt it for your report, explaining what it is in an attached text note for the first 15 days for which

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Gilmore Every American who has been in the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock. Adopt it for your report, explaining what it is in an attached text note for the first 15 days for

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread John Gilmore
Without conscription the fraction of Americans who have military experience is certainly now diminishing. Let us hope that it will continue to drop, but I doubt that it will. It diminished sharply after WWI, in the 1920s and 1930s; but WWII sent it up again, sharply . Moreover, our 'volunteer'

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Walt Farrell
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:34:19 +, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Gilmore Every American who has been in the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock. Adopt it for your report,

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:34:19 +, Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John Gilmore The latin case endings are now all but unknown; hoi polloi have somehow lost meridies and M entirely; and I now hear speculation about whether

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Scott Ford
John, Did you serve ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Mar 10, 2014, at 3:40 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Without conscription the fraction of Americans who have military experience is certainly now diminishing. Let us hope that it will continue to drop,

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread Scott Ford
In Europe we used the 24 hr clock... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD On Mar 10, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Every American who has been in the military has perforce mastered and used the 24-hour clock. A diminishing number of

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread John Gilmore
The notion that Of course noon is PM is wholly inadmissible, indeed obscene, to anyone for whom the equivalence 'post meridiem' = 'after noon' is alive and immediate. There is, I am sure, a generational difference here. With Quine, I also find the use of data in the singular obscene. Worry not,

Re: Another reason to hate the time change

2014-03-10 Thread zMan
What am I missing? How does using a 24-hour clock help here with the OP's problem? My suggestion would be to report in GMT and ignore timezones, but I'm sure that won't fly... On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:07 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: The notion that Of course noon is PM is