Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-13 Thread scott Ford
iscussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Russell Witt [025adb32e6d7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... > > But what about the AI that

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-12 Thread Phil Smith III
Shmuel wrote: >I hated it; that level of AI on a 360/75? To say nothing of just reeking of >sympathetic magic. >BTW, the wiki article got the origin of the name wrong; it was P-1 because it >ran in partition (remember those) 1. Does anybody know whether Waterloo was >actually running MVT on th

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
lf of Russell Witt [025adb32e6d7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... But what about the AI that develops autonomously? Remember Mike (Mycroft) from The Moon is a Harsh Mis

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Russell Witt
Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of scott Ford Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... Joel, I agree I am a huge sci-fi fan and believe in the

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Mike Schwab
s. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Joel C. Ewing [jcew...@acm.org] > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:11 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject:

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
onday, May 11, 2020 11:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... I've greatly enjoyed Asimov's vision of future possibilities, but when I step back to reality it occurs to me that his perfect laws of robotics would have to be implem

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... An even better story ... https://secure-web.cisco.com/1uc-VlaG4d4DXKhOogYOQ-R2xx23bgRDSC_wr66amqQiP3JV4iUeulIhLwneXEMLW355gnqlB4IoI-jRG1gHFALOCJZl9sQ8e8Nr73-c6782R0WU_Os6gnDwja6mrvo4oEbL_nk2DGPA9VLQ0Exe0S-dzkqkiR_QD2TMZp1ymyy3ZzbvqQ2uiBr5AmjZv

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Joe, You beat me to it! Regards, David On 2020-05-11 12:57, Joe Monk wrote: An even better story ... https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Adolescence_of_P-1&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca75858d79d87417845d108d7f5cc8165%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
Joe, Yeah I read it, it’s a great book along with “The Martian”, couldn’t put the Martian down. Scott On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Joe Monk wrote: > An even better story ... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adolescence_of_P-1 > > Joe > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM Bob Bridges >

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Joe Monk
An even better story ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adolescence_of_P-1 Joe On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > I'll cheerfully leave political partisanship aside. But if I may > attribute this equally to both sides (and thus avoid partisanship), I'm > with Joel ~and~

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Bob Bridges
I'll cheerfully leave political partisanship aside. But if I may attribute this equally to both sides (and thus avoid partisanship), I'm with Joel ~and~ Lionel on this. Most folks who misuse their power start out, at least, in hopes of doing good. What I'm saying is that although we value alt

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
Behalf > Of Joel C. Ewing > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:12 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > the sender, Don’t click links or open atta

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Allan Staller
Look up the story "I, Robot". From memory, I believe it is also an Isaac Asimov story -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
re, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of scott Ford > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:51 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Develo

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Lionel B Dyck
iscussion List On > Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:12 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... > > I've greatly enjoyed Asimov's vision of future possibilities, but when > I step back to

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
ot;Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what > you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Joel C. Ewing > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Lionel B Dyck
n merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... I've greatly enj

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
I've greatly enjoyed Asimov's vision of future possibilities, but when I step back to reality it occurs to me that his perfect laws of robotics would have to be implemented by fallible human programmers.  Even if well-intentioned, how would they unambiguously convey to a robot the concepts of "huma

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
Well done JoelI agree , But I can help to to be curious about the future of AI. a bit of Isaac Asimov Scott On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:25 AM Joel C. Ewing wrote: > And of course the whole point of Colossus, Dr Strangelove, War > Games, Terminator, Forbidden Planet, Battlestar Galac

Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say...

2020-05-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
    And of course the whole point of Colossus, Dr Strangelove, War Games, Terminator,  Forbidden Planet, Battlestar Galactica, etc. was to try to make it clear to all the non-engineers and non-programmers (all of whom greatly outnumber us) why putting lethal force in the hands of any autonomous or