Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Jon Perryman]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:29:03 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

>> On 26 Oct 2023, at 1:48 pm, Timothy Sipples  wrote:
>> Jon Perryman wrote:
>>> Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from IBM z/OS
>> You headed off on a tangent here that I don’t think I encouraged. I’m not 
>> sure what you’re referring to.
>
>As usual!

"As usual", Crayford ignores that Timothy said "everything else works this way 
(including z/OS)". Google does not "work this way". What makes Crayford think 
that this short snippet is the full story? 

>> IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS
>That’s one of our products. Our team was only talking about it this week. 
> One of the team had just returned from customer visits in SE Asia 
> and quite a few muti-national banks are using CTC so they can recover to 
> data centers in different countries/continents. Everybody uses AWS S3. 
> As you already mentioned, you can use zones and also replicate to other zones 
> in different locales. 

As "usual", Crayford ignores the limitations of a product his company 
developed. No one disputes that there are some great use cases for this product 
otherwise IBM would not have acquired it. We don't need quotes from a sales 
brochure. 

> Modern internet bandwidth’s are orders of magnitude faster than what they 
> were a decade ago. 
>  In the old days we would have to dump everything to tape and put it on plane!
> IBM Advanced Archive for DFSMShsm

As "usual", Crayford ignores the obvious HSM limitations. Recall is not trivial 
using cloud objects. Recall request -> cloud get object (volume backup) to 
storage -> move storage to disk -> AMATERSE unpack to disk -> restore file and 
delete work files. Depending upon internal design, one recall may require 2 
disks, enough storage for the object and enough CPU to unpack, decrypt and 
restore the file. Multiple recalls running concurrently in a sysplex times 
multiple sysplexes is not trivial. How does he not know this when he had direct 
access to the product developers.

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Alan Altmark]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer  wrote:
>For several  reasons (I am not allowed to disclose and.not entirely
>agreed by our side) all rejected by this specific customer.

I've been thinking about this some more, and there may be a solution acceptable 
to the customer, on the assumption we're talking about an IBM TS7700.

When you insert new VM volumes, set the SC and SG in the UI.  All those tapes 
will end up in the cloud once they are used. You might want to have two ranges 
and two TMS pools, one for each range.  This will get you a pool of tapes that 
stay resident and pool that reside in the cloud.

If you just want one pool with everything in the cloud, then you need to change 
the management constructs of existing volumes.  That can be done in the UI, but 
they won't move to the cloud until the next time they are mounted.   (Since VM 
doesn't have the LIBRARY command, you can't do a PARTRFSH MMOUNT.)

So, it *can* be done, but any management has to be done via the UI.  The TMS 
cannot adjust the management constructs.

Alan Altmark
Senior z/VM Architect and Consultant
IBM

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Timothy Sipples]

Sebastian 
Welton
 wrote:
>Out of interest then, how do you get around the various data privacy rules such
>as GDPR which may not allow storage of certain data outside of a certain
>sphere? If AWS or another cloud provider is set-up to automatically transfer
>this data out of that sphere, wouldn't the company in question be subject to
>multiple privacy lawsuits?

You wouldn’t “get around” regulations. You’d comply with them.

A public commercial cloud consists of real data centers in multiple physical 
locations where you can store backup data, strongly encrypted typically. If a 
regulation or law says you must store these backups in a particular country 
then you simply pick certain data centers but not others. All the public 
commercial clouds I’ve ever seen let you do that.

If the public commercial cloud company does something contrary to your 
instructions then that’s likely a contractual violation of some kind, and the 
public commercial cloud company may also be violating laws or regulations. 
Likewise, if you hire a company to pick up trash from your offices, then the 
company dumps your trash on the White House’s lawn, that’s illegal. If you’re 
concerned that the public commercial cloud company (or your trash collection 
company) might violate the law then you probably shouldn’t do business with 
that company. If the company you hire violates the law then you should probably 
stop doing business with that company.

Public commercial cloud companies exist, they offer lots of services, and many 
organizations buy their services. Just as they buy trash collection, 
telecommunications, office leasing, temporary staffing, payroll processing, 
talent recruiting, catering, and myriad other business services. Sometimes it 
makes sense for organizations to buy business services outside the 
organization, and sometimes it doesn’t. Either way (and both ways) the cloud 
object storage solutions for IBM Z and LinuxONE servers are available to help.

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Sebastian Welton]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 05:13:38 +, Timothy Sipples  wrote:

>I wrote:
>> IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS
>
>David Crayford wrote:
>>That�s one of our products. Our team was only talking about
>>it this week. One of the team had just returned from customer
>>visits in SE Asia and quite a few muti-national banks are using
>>CTC so they can recover to data centers in different countries
>>continents. Everybody uses AWS S3. As you already mentioned,
>>you can use zones and also replicate to other zones in different
>>locales.
>
>Amazon (AWS) S3 is one of the popular choices, but to be clear you don�t have 
>to use Amazon specifically. Or a public commercial cloud. The cloud object 
>storage APIs are reasonably well standardized, and IBM Cloud Tape Connector 
>for z/OS has broad coverage.

Out of interest then, how do you get around the various data privacy rules such 
as GDPR which may not allow storage of certain data outside of a certain 
sphere? If AWS or another cloud provider is set-up to automatically transfer 
this data out of that sphere, wouldn't the company in question be subject to 
multiple privacy lawsuits?

Sebastian

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Timothy Sipples]

I wrote:
> IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS

David Crayford wrote:
>That’s one of our products. Our team was only talking about
>it this week. One of the team had just returned from customer
>visits in SE Asia and quite a few muti-national banks are using
>CTC so they can recover to data centers in different countries
>continents. Everybody uses AWS S3. As you already mentioned,
>you can use zones and also replicate to other zones in different
>locales.

Amazon (AWS) S3 is one of the popular choices, but to be clear you don’t have 
to use Amazon specifically. Or a public commercial cloud. The cloud object 
storage APIs are reasonably well standardized, and IBM Cloud Tape Connector for 
z/OS has broad coverage.

The first release of IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS debuted over 7 years ago 
(as I write this). And Transparent Cloud Tiering in some form extends as far 
back as the IBM DS8870 storage systems. Anyhow, cloud storage options for z/OS 
have been available for several years.

>When my previous company were acquired by Rocket Software
>we used AWS S3 to migrate our storage to the new machines.
>Modern internet bandwidth’s are orders of magnitude faster than
>what they were a decade ago. The entire process was seamless.
>In the old days we would have to dump everything to tape and put
>it on plane!

Some of the cloud object storage providers can accept data on physical media 
and/or can send your data back to you on physical media. For a fee, of course.

Medium and large organizations frequently have dedicated private network links 
between their data centers and public commercial cloud data centers. There are 
several networking companies that provide these services, for example Megaport 
and Equinix. The list for IBM Cloud Direct Link service is available here:

https://cloud.ibm.com/docs/dl?topic=dl-locations#connect-locations

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[David Crayford]

> On 26 Oct 2023, at 1:48 pm, Timothy Sipples  wrote:
> 
> Jon Perryman wrote:
>> Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from IBM z/OS
> 
> You headed off on a tangent here that I don’t think I encouraged. I’m not 
> sure what you’re referring to.

As usual!

> 
>> No IBM z system has cloud backup. You can't backup z/OS to
>> any other cloud than that provided by TS7700.
> 
> Yes, you really can! There are software-only cloud object storage 
> backup/restore solutions for z/OS. The two IBM products that are most 
> directly relevant are:
> 
> IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS

That’s one of our products. Our team was only talking about it this week. One 
of the team had just returned from customer visits in SE Asia and quite a few 
muti-national banks are using CTC so they can recover to data centers in 
different countries/continents. Everybody uses AWS S3. As you already 
mentioned, you can use zones and also replicate to other zones in different 
locales. 

When my previous company were acquired by Rocket Software we used AWS S3 to 
migrate our storage to the new machines. Modern internet bandwidth’s are orders 
of magnitude faster than what they were a decade ago. The entire process was 
seamless. In the old days we would have to dump everything to tape and put it 
on plane!

> IBM Advanced Archive for DFSMShsm
> 
> These products are available individually or in the IBM Advanced Storage 
> Management Suite for z/OS license package.


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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Timothy Sipples]

Jon Perryman wrote:
>One very important detail I did not mention is the location of your data
>in the cloud. You may connect to a cloud location thinking that is where
>it will be stored. In order to be more efficient, some clouds may redirect
>your request to a closer location. Potentially the country of the requester.
>Why send the data halfway across the world when their cloud has a
>location closer to the point of origin.

Mike Schwab wrote:
> Most clouds store data in the nearest facility for reduced read write
>time.  Some clouds replicate to other sites.  Have been outages when a
>cloud site went down and the data was not available.

Itschak Mugzach wrote:
> If you use S3, you can specify which zone to use.

I agree with Itschak, but it’s even better than that. ALL the major public 
commercial cloud providers offer cloud object storage services with selectable 
geographies. (Why was there a presumption they don’t offer geographic choices?)

For example, here’s the menu for IBM Cloud’s Object Storage:

https://cloud.ibm.com/objectstorage/create#pricing

You can choose Cross Region, Regional, or Single Site. Each of these choices 
then offers various geographic choices. Cross Region keeps copies of your data 
in multiple data centers across a continent-sized area. Regional keeps copies 
of your data in multiple data centers across a country or large metro area. 
Single Site is just what it sounds like: one copy of your data (typically with 
versioning) in one site. You can provision more than one of these choices if 
you wish.

Moreover, you’re not limited to one public commercial cloud, and you’re not 
limited to public commercial clouds. Cloud object storage APIs are reasonably 
well standardized, and you can have cloud object storage pools wherever you 
wish — across multiple public commercial clouds and/or private/on-premises 
cloud object storage pools, as you prefer. For example, including an ex-missile 
silo site if you want.

David Jousma:
>So the issue of using public cloud storage is a question you have
>to answer for yourself.   “How quickly do I need to be able to
>restore?”   If its TB of data, streaming in at network speed, that
>could be days or weeks.  Will you be out of business by then?

It’s a possible consideration (weighed against various other considerations), 
but backups of z/VM *itself* aren’t typically that big. That’s one reason why I 
mentioned that you could view the IBM TS7700-based approach (with 
TS7700-to-TS7700 cross-site replication — what’s known as a Grid configuration 
— combined with a cloud object storage tier) as “cloud object storage caching.” 
So if there were a “small pipe” issue when recovering then that issue is 
partially or fully mitigated thanks to the TS7700’s own virtual tape storage in 
front of the cloud tier.

Another possible approach is that you put your cloud object storage 
“on-premises” alongside the IBM Z machine, or even on the IBM Z machine. You 
can host a cloud object storage server on an IBM Z machine quite easily. Then 
your in-country TS7700’s cloud object storage tier is the remote cloud object 
storage server, alongside or on the out-of-country IBM Z machine. And then your 
recovery is via the remote TS7700 (alongside the DR machine) which is just 
pointing back to DR machine’s cloud object storage service, or the cloud object 
storage adjacent to the IBM Z machine. No “small pipe” problem with that!

Jon Perryman wrote:
>Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from IBM z/OS

You headed off on a tangent here that I don’t think I encouraged. I’m not sure 
what you’re referring to.

>No IBM z system has cloud backup. You can't backup z/OS to
>any other cloud than that provided by TS7700.

Yes, you really can! There are software-only cloud object storage 
backup/restore solutions for z/OS. The two IBM products that are most directly 
relevant are:

IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS
IBM Advanced Archive for DFSMShsm

These products are available individually or in the IBM Advanced Storage 
Management Suite for z/OS license package.

There’s a helpful YouTube video about these products here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inih7c4VeiQ

Some other vendors also have products in this segment.

As I mentioned, I’m not aware of any vendors that offer a pure software-based 
cloud object storage solution *for z/VM* backups/restores. IBM’s offering for 
z/VM (which also works with other operating systems) is the IBM TS7700 with its 
cloud object storage tier, in your choice of “baby” rack mount or factory frame 
form factors. But for z/OS (and Linux on IBM Z/LinuxONE) there are some pure 
software-based choices available too. Moreover, it’s possible to configure both 
z/OS and Linux on IBM Z/LinuxONE as cloud object storage *servers*.

—
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
sipp...@sg.ibm.com

Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Jon Perryman]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 19:15:06 +, Jousma, David  wrote:

>So the issue of using public cloud storage is a question you have to answer 
>for yourself.  
> “How quickly do I need to be able to restore?”   If its TB of data, streaming 
> in at network speed, 
> that could be days or weeks.  Will you be out of business by then?

There are many requirements to consider. Each company must list their 
requirements to ensure all are met. You don't want another disaster occurring 
during disaster recovery. You don't want to be creating a wish list during that 
time especially when system z is not the only part of the company dealing with 
the disaster. You're only as strong as your weakest link.

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Itschak Mugzach]

It is based on the Amazon Rest API. It is not a product, just a solution we
use here for testing and also runs on our appliances. You can follow the
Amazon manual about the API.

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On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:49 PM Jon Perryman  wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:27:10 +0300, Itschak Mugzach <
> i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il> wrote:
>
> > We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols
> > ourselves, so it is possible.
>
> Hi Itschak,
>
> Can you give a very short overview of how your solution works. Which cloud
> API's you used? Is it z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE? Is it strictly disaster recovery
> or includes file recovery? Are you using standard backup utilities and how
> you integrate with those utilities?
>
> Thanks, Jon.
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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Jon Perryman]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:27:10 +0300, Itschak Mugzach 
 wrote:

> We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols
> ourselves, so it is possible.

Hi Itschak,

Can you give a very short overview of how your solution works. Which cloud 
API's you used? Is it z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE? Is it strictly disaster recovery or 
includes file recovery? Are you using standard backup utilities and how you 
integrate with those utilities?

Thanks, Jon.

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Jon Perryman]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:23:25 +, Timothy Sipples  wrote:

>Jon Perryman wrote:
>> Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those I mentioned? 
>> (backup to cloud) 

>How about everything else works this way (including z/OS), 

Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from IBM z/OS. The TS7700 is a 
private cloud and z/OS believes the TS7700 is a tape drive which does not use 
any cloud API nor TS7700 cloud object. We know that Google starts a Linux image 
when you request recovery which is not cloud object API unless Google is 
deviating from the spirit of cloud object. Maybe multiple cloud API's are 
involved but that is internal to Google.

I'm sorry if you think I'm insulting you or IBM. To the contrary, IBM builds 
exceptional solutions. There are lots of exceptions because there is more than 
one way to solve a problem.  The first few design drafts of "the cloud" were 
met with great excitement because of IBM participation that made "the cloud" 
sound like an ad for z/OS sysplex. Many of those features were dropped after 
other vendors realized it would take many years to implement those features.

> they don't want z/VM to be different/exceptional (not in this respect), 
> and they have greater confidence/assurance that their backups will 
> be better secured/encrypted and better protected from local disasters this 
> way?

No IBM z system has cloud backup. You can't backup z/OS to any other cloud than 
that provided by TS7700. TheTS7700 completely hides cloud backup concepts.

>Why does Iron Mountain exist and thrive? It�s the same basic set of reasons.

It exists because IBM does smart design instead of convenient design. Take for 
example z/OS datasets where a cobol programmer easily uses various access 
methods with a simple changes to the FD, READ and WRITE. On the other hand, 
Unix requires the programmer to rewrite their programs using NOSQL and SQL 
API's to achieve the same results.  

>> I suspect Ayre is saying cloud but I doubt Ayre has a specific cloud solution
>>in mind nor implied "cloud object storage".
> Cloud object storage is what the public commercial clouds (also) all provide 
> for backup data storage/retrieval. Cloud object storage is the service, 
> and then that service can be provided by public commercial clouds (e.g. 
> Amazon S3), 
> privately hosted cloud object stores, or some combination.

Not to downplay the importance of cloud objects but what makes it the only 
solution he should consider? I agree this is an obvious solution.but my point 
is that "cloud" is not a requirement but considered his obvious solution. Until 
proven otherwise, we have to assume everyone involved has a birds-eye 
perspective without specific knowledge of things like cloud object.

>>Implementing a new feature request takes time (Potentially years).
> Potentially, but that�s not a reason to skip filing a feature enhancement 
> request.
> It�s a great reason to file a request now rather than later.

If this a feature that Ayre would implement, then asking doesn't hurt other 
than wasting valuable resources that IBM continues to reduce.

I suspect that z/VM backup has a similar design to z/OS backup. Ask yourself 
why IBM didn't implement cloud object for z/OS DFDSS instead of building a 
TS7700 with cloud objects. Imagine all your files are migrated and every "open" 
causes a recall. Recall then causes the restore (a cloud object). I'm not 
familiar with cloud object API but this could cause a lot of network processing 
and processing that was previously handled by controllers. Worse yet, you 
potentially have huge delays that IBM avoids in their hardware design.

>>The obvious problem is maintaining a TS7700 in another country and
>>moving it if that country becomes a problem.
> No more or less obvious than the already extant requirement to maintain a 
> suitably configured IBM Z server 
> with sufficient storage in an alternate site to restore the data, recover, 
> and resume service.

"requirement to maintain" is part of what I'm talking about. The company must 
maintain IBM equipment where they don't have trained staff. All other cloud 
services (e.g. Google, AWS, Microsoft, ...) have trained staff. Many of these 
clouds encompass the world. You move data from one location to another without 
hardware considerations. Better yet, they will most likely have staff that 
speaks your language. 

All your points are valid. Each company has requirements. In the case of Ayre, 
the company doesn't want to maintain anything. It sounds like they want a 
disaster recovery solution that is as simple as offsite tape backups. 

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Jousma, David]

So the issue of using public cloud storage is a question you have to answer for 
yourself.   “How quickly do I need to be able to restore?”   If its TB of data, 
streaming in at network speed, that could be days or weeks.  Will you be out of 
business by then?

Dave Jousma
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Subject: Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?
Mike, If you use S3, you can specify which zone to use. BTW, I think Amazon has 
a new local zone in Israel, but I think the requirement Arie put was outside of 
Israel. We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols ourselves, so


Mike,



If you use S3, you can specify which zone to use. BTW, I think Amazon has a

new local zone in Israel, but I think the requirement Arie put was outside

of Israel. We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols

ourselves, so it is possible.



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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Itschak Mugzach]

Mike,

If you use S3, you can specify which zone to use. BTW, I think Amazon has a
new local zone in Israel, but I think the requirement Arie put was outside
of Israel. We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols
ourselves, so it is possible.

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On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:34 PM Mike Schwab  wrote:

> Most clouds store data in the nearest facility for reduced read write
> time.  Some clouds replicate to other sites.  Have been outages when a
> cloud site went down and the data was not available.
>
> 2022 Google outage when a fire occured.
>
> https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/google-alphabet/data-center-fire-google-suffers-electrical-incident-3-injured
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:45 AM Jon Perryman 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:08:20 +0300, Arye Shemer 
> wrote:
> >
> > > one of the most important reason is the
> > >time frame that should be immediately (preferably tomorrow :-)  ).
> >
> > One very important detail I did not mention is the location of your data
> in the cloud. You may connect to a cloud location thinking that is where it
> will be stored. In order to be more efficient, some clouds may redirect
> your request to a closer location. Potentially the country of the
> requester. Why send the data halfway across the world when their cloud has
> a location closer to the point of origin.
> >
> > My assumption was that this was an ASAP request which is why I suggested
> FTP. Someone could manually FTP the backups starting today and a REXX exec
> quickly written to automate the process. Writing a cloud enabled program
> takes longer which could be considered later when there isn't a time
> constraint.
> >
> > Another possibility you may not have considered is using one of your
> satellite offices located in a different country using a PC with USB
> drives. Transfer the backups to the USB drive and take the drive to a safe
> deposit box or a company similar to the one you currently use.
> >
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[Mike Schwab]

Most clouds store data in the nearest facility for reduced read write
time.  Some clouds replicate to other sites.  Have been outages when a
cloud site went down and the data was not available.

2022 Google outage when a fire occured.
 
https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/google-alphabet/data-center-fire-google-suffers-electrical-incident-3-injured

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:45 AM Jon Perryman  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:08:20 +0300, Arye Shemer  wrote:
>
> > one of the most important reason is the
> >time frame that should be immediately (preferably tomorrow :-)  ).
>
> One very important detail I did not mention is the location of your data in 
> the cloud. You may connect to a cloud location thinking that is where it will 
> be stored. In order to be more efficient, some clouds may redirect your 
> request to a closer location. Potentially the country of the requester. Why 
> send the data halfway across the world when their cloud has a location closer 
> to the point of origin.
>
> My assumption was that this was an ASAP request which is why I suggested FTP. 
> Someone could manually FTP the backups starting today and a REXX exec quickly 
> written to automate the process. Writing a cloud enabled program takes longer 
> which could be considered later when there isn't a time constraint.
>
> Another possibility you may not have considered is using one of your 
> satellite offices located in a different country using a PC with USB drives. 
> Transfer the backups to the USB drive and take the drive to a safe deposit 
> box or a company similar to the one you currently use.
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[Jon Perryman]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:08:20 +0300, Arye Shemer  wrote:

> one of the most important reason is the
>time frame that should be immediately (preferably tomorrow :-)  ).

One very important detail I did not mention is the location of your data in the 
cloud. You may connect to a cloud location thinking that is where it will be 
stored. In order to be more efficient, some clouds may redirect your request to 
a closer location. Potentially the country of the requester. Why send the data 
halfway across the world when their cloud has a location closer to the point of 
origin.

My assumption was that this was an ASAP request which is why I suggested FTP. 
Someone could manually FTP the backups starting today and a REXX exec quickly 
written to automate the process. Writing a cloud enabled program takes longer 
which could be considered later when there isn't a time constraint.  

Another possibility you may not have considered is using one of your satellite 
offices located in a different country using a PC with USB drives. Transfer the 
backups to the USB drive and take the drive to a safe deposit box or a company 
similar to the one you currently use. 

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Arye Shemer]

Thank you Jon,
I will convey your suggestions to the customer and talk with them to see
how it fits their needs.
Arye Shemer

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:32 AM Jon Perryman  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer 
> wrote:
>
> >the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking copies to another remote
> >site in this country)  are not sufficient.
> >Hence the idea of backup to another geographical (cloud) area is raised.
>
> I believe you are saying that you want offsite out of country backup. Are
> there any other uses for this backup than disaster recovery? For instance,
> will it be used for file recovery or will onsite copies of these backups be
> used for file recovery?
>
> >(TS7700...) were already offered to the customer but rejected.
>
> The obvious problem is maintaining a TS7700 in another country and moving
> it if that country becomes a problem.
>
> I personally don't recommend using the offsite backups for specific file
> recovery. Disaster recovery is suitable. Volume recovery is suitable if it
> can meet your recovery requirements. I don't think build an inhouse
> solution would be difficult if you already maintain offsite disaster
> recovery tapes. Here is how I would approach this:
>
> Step 1. Convert the backup to make it portable.
>
> I don't know z/VM backup / restore backup file structure. I suspect z/VM
> doesn't care about disk or tape block sizes. In z/OS, we would use IBM's
> AMATERSE to retain file and block attributes. I suspect (but not sure)
> AMATERSE also creates checksum to verify the file is not corrupted during
> transmission. To restore the file, AMATERSE has an option to restore the
> z/OS file.
>
> Step 2. Create programs to send and receive the backups to the cloud or
> non-cloud server.
>
> You don't care if this is a cloud solution as long as it meets your
> requirements.
>
> There are many ways to send and receive these backups to the cloud. As
> Timothy said, writing a program using cloud objects is one solution. There
> are other cloud API's that could also accomplish your goals.
>
> I suspect there are other solutions that I haven't considered.
>
> if your customer does not want to become cloud literate. then maybe use
> FTP is an option because many cloud providers support FTP. Does z/VM FTP
> have a REXX API like z/OS? If not then maybe pipes would allow you to use
> REXX. Worst case, you stack commands to FTP and process the messages file.
>
> Another possibility is to send the file to a local PC that mapped the
> cloud as a local drive (e.g. MS Onedrive).
>
> You don't care if the solution is cloud enabled. Maybe your disaster
> recovery provider also provides offsite backup services.
>
> Step 3. Test, test, test.
>
> Setting customer expectations from the solution requires testing backup
> and restore, using someone with minimal knowledge and experience ensures
> disaster recovery doesn't require key personnel.
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[Arye Shemer]

Hi,
As mentioned in my previous posts I do not have permission to disclose
customer reasons,
*but *I'll let myself state that one of the most important reason is the
time frame that should be immediately (preferably tomorrow :-)  ).

Regards,
Arye Shemer.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:55 PM Jon Perryman  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:38:40 +, Timothy Sipples 
> wrote:
>
> >> Why would anyone want to do z/VM backups to a cloud?
> >There are lots of great reasons to do that!
>
> Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those I mentioned?
> "Save money? Offsite backup? It's new technology? Don't need to worry
> because it's the cloud? They want to say they are cloud enabled?"
>
> > Also, I understood the request to mean �cloud object storage� as the
> target.
>
> I suspect Ayre is saying cloud but I doubt Ayre has a specific cloud
> solution in mind nor implied "cloud object storage". That is certainly one
> solution but it's not the only possible solution. I think Ayre wants the
> simplest non-confusing solution possible.
>
> >I see that IBM Backup and Restore Manager for z/VM is listed in the
> Product field.
> >  Maybe that product could have another input/output handler (CLOUDOBJ?),
>
> Implementing a new feature request takes time (Potentially years). I
> suspect Ayre's customer is looking for a shorter time frame.
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[Timothy Sipples]

Jon Perryman wrote:
> Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those
>I mentioned? "Save money? Offsite backup? It's new technology?
>Don't need to worry because it's the cloud? They want to say they
>are cloud enabled?"

How about everything else works this way (including z/OS), they don’t want z/VM 
to be different/exceptional (not in this respect), and they have greater 
confidence/assurance that their backups will be better secured/encrypted and 
better protected from local disasters this way?

Why does Iron Mountain exist and thrive? It’s the same basic set of reasons.

> I suspect Ayre is saying cloud but I doubt Ayre has a specific cloud solution
>in mind nor implied "cloud object storage".

Cloud object storage is what the public commercial clouds (also) all provide 
for backup data storage/retrieval. Cloud object storage is the service, and 
then that service can be provided by public commercial clouds (e.g. Amazon S3), 
privately hosted cloud object stores, or some combination.

>Implementing a new feature request takes time (Potentially years).

Potentially, but that’s not a reason to skip filing a feature enhancement 
request. It’s a great reason to file a request now rather than later.

>The obvious problem is maintaining a TS7700 in another country and
>moving it if that country becomes a problem.

No more or less obvious than the already extant requirement to maintain a 
suitably configured IBM Z server with sufficient storage in an alternate site 
to restore the data, recover, and resume service. This emergency infrastructure 
(server, storage, network, etc.) could be customer owned, leased, or 
contracted/shared/multi-tenant. The IBM TS7700 is available and supported 
worldwide (with the obvious very few exceptions), and it’s the most popular 
virtual tape solution for these servers.

Note that it is possible for TS7700 equipment to replicate with each other AND 
to provide cloud tiering, to do both. The former would speed restoration and 
recovery since some or all of the backup would be locally available on the 
emergency infrastructure — but still able to pull from cloud object storage if 
need be. You can think of this approach as adding a cross-site replicating 
cloud object storage cache, and it’s quite lovely really.

But all we can do is list the various viable options then let the client 
decide whether any of these few options are worthy of selection or if inertia 
will rule. I understand the client doesn’t like any of the options available, 
but they seem to be the available options. So it’s probably time to choose 
their “least worst” but still viable option and get on with it.

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[Jon Perryman]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer  wrote:

>the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking copies to another remote
>site in this country)  are not sufficient.
>Hence the idea of backup to another geographical (cloud) area is raised.

I believe you are saying that you want offsite out of country backup. Are there 
any other uses for this backup than disaster recovery? For instance, will it be 
used for file recovery or will onsite copies of these backups be used for file 
recovery?

>(TS7700...) were already offered to the customer but rejected.

The obvious problem is maintaining a TS7700 in another country and moving it if 
that country becomes a problem.

I personally don't recommend using the offsite backups for specific file 
recovery. Disaster recovery is suitable. Volume recovery is suitable if it can 
meet your recovery requirements. I don't think build an inhouse solution would 
be difficult if you already maintain offsite disaster recovery tapes. Here is 
how I would approach this:

Step 1. Convert the backup to make it portable.

I don't know z/VM backup / restore backup file structure. I suspect z/VM 
doesn't care about disk or tape block sizes. In z/OS, we would use IBM's 
AMATERSE to retain file and block attributes. I suspect (but not sure) AMATERSE 
also creates checksum to verify the file is not corrupted during transmission. 
To restore the file, AMATERSE has an option to restore the z/OS file. 

Step 2. Create programs to send and receive the backups to the cloud or 
non-cloud server.

You don't care if this is a cloud solution as long as it meets your 
requirements.

There are many ways to send and receive these backups to the cloud. As Timothy 
said, writing a program using cloud objects is one solution. There are other 
cloud API's that could also accomplish your goals.

I suspect there are other solutions that I haven't considered.

if your customer does not want to become cloud literate. then maybe use FTP is 
an option because many cloud providers support FTP. Does z/VM FTP have a REXX 
API like z/OS? If not then maybe pipes would allow you to use REXX. Worst case, 
you stack commands to FTP and process the messages file. 

Another possibility is to send the file to a local PC that mapped the cloud as 
a local drive (e.g. MS Onedrive).

You don't care if the solution is cloud enabled. Maybe your disaster recovery 
provider also provides offsite backup services. 

Step 3. Test, test, test.

Setting customer expectations from the solution requires testing backup and 
restore, using someone with minimal knowledge and experience ensures disaster 
recovery doesn't require key personnel.

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[Jon Perryman]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:38:40 +, Timothy Sipples  wrote:

>> Why would anyone want to do z/VM backups to a cloud?
>There are lots of great reasons to do that! 

Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those I mentioned? "Save 
money? Offsite backup? It's new technology? Don't need to worry because it's 
the cloud? They want to say they are cloud enabled?"

> Also, I understood the request to mean �cloud object storage� as the target. 

I suspect Ayre is saying cloud but I doubt Ayre has a specific cloud solution 
in mind nor implied "cloud object storage". That is certainly one solution but 
it's not the only possible solution. I think Ayre wants the simplest 
non-confusing solution possible.

>I see that IBM Backup and Restore Manager for z/VM is listed in the Product 
>field. 
>  Maybe that product could have another input/output handler (CLOUDOBJ?),

Implementing a new feature request takes time (Potentially years). I suspect 
Ayre's customer is looking for a shorter time frame.

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Arye Shemer]

Due to the situation in our country, some of the organization managements
(and risk management) think (?) that
the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking copies to another remote
site in this country)  are not sufficient.
Hence the idea of backup to another geographical (cloud) area is raised.
All the solutions mentioned in the previous posts on this thread
(TS7700...) were already offered to the customer.
For several  reasons (I am not allowed to disclose and.not entirely
agreed by our side) all rejected by this specific customer.

Thank you for your suggestion and help,
Arye Shemer.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:48 AM Jon Perryman  wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:19:20 +0300, Arye Shemer 
> wrote:
>
> >Only a solution built on software running in z/VM would be accepted by the
> >customer.
>
> Why has your customer decided z/VM backup via the cloud? Save money?
> Offsite backup? It's new technology? Don't need to worry because it's the
> cloud? They want to say they are cloud enabled?
>
> Everyone is ignoring the obvious questions. Why would anyone want to do
> z/VM backups to a cloud? What are the advantages and disadvantages? What
> are your customer's expectations? Are they willing to use software that
> locks them into a specific cloud service provider?
>
> Consider Unix, Windows and Apple cloud backup solutions. From those I've
> seen, each cloud service provider has their own proprietary software that
> seems to use SaaS. Most important they are very simplistic (files are a
> single chunk of data with trivial file information). They do not handle
> complex structures ( E.g. databases allocated to disk partitions instead of
> files). In other words, these cloud implementations do not cover 100%.
>
> AFAIK, z/OS does not have cloud backup (Amazon AWS, Google, ???). Instead,
> DFDSS backs up to TS7700 emulated tape drives which completely hides the
> cloud functionality. Unlike UNIX Cloud backup philosophy, I don't believe
> TS7700 understands DFDSS backups, incremental backups nor complex z/OS file
> structures (e.g. VSAM). I suspect that TS7700 cloud capabilities are
> limited to data instead of the robust ?aaS offerings (e.g. no SaaS).
>
> For z/VM, both implementations seem feasible to write but both have
> problems. You can FTP to/from Google cloud storage. You can easily FTP the
> backup files but you are transferring large files. Not my first choice but
> you are cloud enabled. The UNIX solution would require that the z/VM backup
> software exits which you can use. Possibly knowledge of the backup file
> structure.
>
> I suspect that writing a z/VM cloud backup product would not be profitable
> since most z/VM customers probably don't need it.
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[Timothy Sipples]

Jon Perryman wrote:
> Why would anyone want to do z/VM backups to a cloud?

There are lots of great reasons to do that! Also, I understood the request to 
mean “cloud object storage” as the target. Cloud object storage can technically 
reside anywhere. Public commercial clouds’ object storage pools only represent 
a fraction of total cloud object storage.

Back to Arye Shemer

Arye, if even a “baby” IBM TS7700 is not an acceptable option for whatever 
reason(s) then my suggestion is to open a request for a product enhancement. I 
think that’s probably best aimed at IBM Backup and Restore Manager for z/VM 
since that seems like the most likely vehicle for this sort of functionality. 
To open such a request please visit:

https://ideas.ibm.com

I see that IBM Backup and Restore Manager for z/VM is listed in the Product 
field. Just type in “Backup and Restore” and it should pop up as an option. 
Maybe that product could have another input/output handler (CLOUDOBJ?), 
although it’d be up to the product team to consider (of course).

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[Jon Perryman]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:19:20 +0300, Arye Shemer  wrote:

>Only a solution built on software running in z/VM would be accepted by the
>customer.

Why has your customer decided z/VM backup via the cloud? Save money? Offsite 
backup? It's new technology? Don't need to worry because it's the cloud? They 
want to say they are cloud enabled?

Everyone is ignoring the obvious questions. Why would anyone want to do z/VM 
backups to a cloud? What are the advantages and disadvantages? What are your 
customer's expectations? Are they willing to use software that locks them into 
a specific cloud service provider?

Consider Unix, Windows and Apple cloud backup solutions. From those I've seen, 
each cloud service provider has their own proprietary software that seems to 
use SaaS. Most important they are very simplistic (files are a single chunk of 
data with trivial file information). They do not handle complex structures ( 
E.g. databases allocated to disk partitions instead of files). In other words, 
these cloud implementations do not cover 100%. 
 
AFAIK, z/OS does not have cloud backup (Amazon AWS, Google, ???). Instead, 
DFDSS backs up to TS7700 emulated tape drives which completely hides the cloud 
functionality. Unlike UNIX Cloud backup philosophy, I don't believe TS7700 
understands DFDSS backups, incremental backups nor complex z/OS file structures 
(e.g. VSAM). I suspect that TS7700 cloud capabilities are limited to data 
instead of the robust ?aaS offerings (e.g. no SaaS).

For z/VM, both implementations seem feasible to write but both have problems. 
You can FTP to/from Google cloud storage. You can easily FTP the backup files 
but you are transferring large files. Not my first choice but you are cloud 
enabled. The UNIX solution would require that the z/VM backup software exits 
which you can use. Possibly knowledge of the backup file structure. 

I suspect that writing a z/VM cloud backup product would not be profitable 
since most z/VM customers probably don't need it. 

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[carl swanson]

Recently retired so some of my information is dated.

I agree with Tim I am also not aware of any Software only solution for 
Z/VM. And I agree that a Virtual tape solution is available from IBM (TS7700), 
Dell (DLm) and others like Luminex and Optica. All these systems can scale 
pretty small and the movement of data to the cloud is transparent.

I understand your delime, but just because they want something does not 
mean it exists. 

Carl Swanson
carl.swans...@verizon.net
Mobile: 215.688.1459

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Hello  Timothy,
TS7700 baby, z/OS LPAR (or guest) and even Linux were introduced and offered to 
the customer but completely rejected Only a solution  built on software running 
in z/VM would be accepted by the customer.
Thank you all for the suggestions and help, Best Regards, Arye Shemer

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 4:12 AM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> I’m not aware of any pure software-based option from IBM or any other 
> vendor that fits your/their description. However, IBM fairly recently 
> introduced a “baby” TS7700 model that’s customer rack mounted. If 
> they’re concerned about consuming another whole frame footprint it’s not that 
> big.
> And the hardware-based approach has its advantages, notably lower 
> processing impact(s) on the z/VM environment(s).
>
> If they’re willing to relax their z/OS “ban” then I think it can be 
> done with a pure software-based approach, but I’d have to double check.
>
> There are hypothetical “Roll Your Own” approaches involving Linux. I 
> suppose for example you could configure the storage system to take 
> point-in-time copies then use a Linux LPAR to back those PITCs up to 
> cloud object storage, highly preferably encrypted before transmission. 
> Not ideal IMHO, and I don’t see how you’d get incremental backups that way.
>
> —
> Timothy Sipples
> Senior Architect
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[ITschak Mugzach]

Arie,

Assuming your client agrees to use Amazon s3 bucket, they can develop their
own rest api calls. The Amazon SDK is recommended, but not a requirement.
At end, it is just a rest api. All sequence. Google for "developing with
Amazon s3 using rest api"

ITschak

בתאריך יום ב׳, 23 באוק׳ 2023 ב-16:20 מאת Arye Shemer :

> Hello  Timothy,
> TS7700 baby, z/OS LPAR (or guest) and even Linux were introduced and
> offered to the customer but completely rejected
> Only a solution  built on software running in z/VM would be accepted by the
> customer.
> Thank you all for the suggestions and help,
> Best Regards,
> Arye Shemer
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 4:12 AM Timothy Sipples 
> wrote:
>
> > I’m not aware of any pure software-based option from IBM or any other
> > vendor that fits your/their description. However, IBM fairly recently
> > introduced a “baby” TS7700 model that’s customer rack mounted. If they’re
> > concerned about consuming another whole frame footprint it’s not that
> big.
> > And the hardware-based approach has its advantages, notably lower
> > processing impact(s) on the z/VM environment(s).
> >
> > If they’re willing to relax their z/OS “ban” then I think it can be done
> > with a pure software-based approach, but I’d have to double check.
> >
> > There are hypothetical “Roll Your Own” approaches involving Linux. I
> > suppose for example you could configure the storage system to take
> > point-in-time copies then use a Linux LPAR to back those PITCs up to
> cloud
> > object storage, highly preferably encrypted before transmission. Not
> ideal
> > IMHO, and I don’t see how you’d get incremental backups that way.
> >
> > —
> > Timothy Sipples
> > Senior Architect
> > Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
> > IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
> > sipp...@sg.ibm.com
> >
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[Arye Shemer]

Hello  Timothy,
TS7700 baby, z/OS LPAR (or guest) and even Linux were introduced and
offered to the customer but completely rejected
Only a solution  built on software running in z/VM would be accepted by the
customer.
Thank you all for the suggestions and help,
Best Regards,
Arye Shemer

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 4:12 AM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> I’m not aware of any pure software-based option from IBM or any other
> vendor that fits your/their description. However, IBM fairly recently
> introduced a “baby” TS7700 model that’s customer rack mounted. If they’re
> concerned about consuming another whole frame footprint it’s not that big.
> And the hardware-based approach has its advantages, notably lower
> processing impact(s) on the z/VM environment(s).
>
> If they’re willing to relax their z/OS “ban” then I think it can be done
> with a pure software-based approach, but I’d have to double check.
>
> There are hypothetical “Roll Your Own” approaches involving Linux. I
> suppose for example you could configure the storage system to take
> point-in-time copies then use a Linux LPAR to back those PITCs up to cloud
> object storage, highly preferably encrypted before transmission. Not ideal
> IMHO, and I don’t see how you’d get incremental backups that way.
>
> —
> Timothy Sipples
> Senior Architect
> Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
> IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
> sipp...@sg.ibm.com
>
>
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[Timothy Sipples]

I’m not aware of any pure software-based option from IBM or any other vendor 
that fits your/their description. However, IBM fairly recently introduced a 
“baby” TS7700 model that’s customer rack mounted. If they’re concerned about 
consuming another whole frame footprint it’s not that big. And the 
hardware-based approach has its advantages, notably lower processing impact(s) 
on the z/VM environment(s).

If they’re willing to relax their z/OS “ban” then I think it can be done with a 
pure software-based approach, but I’d have to double check.

There are hypothetical “Roll Your Own” approaches involving Linux. I suppose 
for example you could configure the storage system to take point-in-time copies 
then use a Linux LPAR to back those PITCs up to cloud object storage, highly 
preferably encrypted before transmission. Not ideal IMHO, and I don’t see how 
you’d get incremental backups that way.

—
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Alan Altmark]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:02:39 -0500, Jon Perryman  wrote:
>Out of curiosity, what software is missing from z/VM that is a showstopper?

The answer is "no" because z/VM DFSMS/rms, which provides the control point for 
tape libraries, does not provide the ability for applications to specify or 
control the Management Class, Data Class, Storage Class, or Storage Group, some 
or all of which are all required to allow a tape management system to migrate 
volumes to/from the cloud or otherwise manage replication.

Customers haven't been vocal about needing that capability, so it's unlikely to 
ever change.  And once DFSMS were to add that support, the TMS (e.g. IBM Tape 
Manager) would need to exploit it.

Alan Altmark
Senior z/VM Developer and Consultant
IBM

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Jon Perryman]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 08:17:43 +0300, Arye Shemer  wrote:

>we thought about this solution (TS7700), but customer requirements 
> are: solution must be software in the z/VM environment (no z/OS or other 
> guests),

Out of curiosity, what software is missing from z/VM that is a showstopper?

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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Arye Shemer]

Thank you  Timothy,
we thought about this solution,
but customer requirements are: solution must be software in the z/VM
environment (no z/OS or other guests),
Regards,
Arye Shemer

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 9:18 AM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> Arye Shemer asked:
> > Does z/VM have a product/tool of any vendor which can send backups to the
> >Cloud  (*no z/OS involvement*)?
>
> The IBM TS7700 can handle that via its Cloud Storage Tier feature. Details
> here:
>
> https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp5573.html
>
> For example, you can run your backups using Backup and Restore Manager for
> z/VM out to the TS7700, and then the TS7700’s Cloud Storage Tier takes it
> from there. Tape Manager for z/VM is helpful.
>
> —
> Timothy Sipples
> Senior Architect
> Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
> IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
> sipp...@sg.ibm.com
>
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Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Timothy Sipples]

Arye Shemer asked:
> Does z/VM have a product/tool of any vendor which can send backups to the
>Cloud  (*no z/OS involvement*)?

The IBM TS7700 can handle that via its Cloud Storage Tier feature. Details here:

https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp5573.html

For example, you can run your backups using Backup and Restore Manager for z/VM 
out to the TS7700, and then the TS7700’s Cloud Storage Tier takes it from 
there. Tape Manager for z/VM is helpful.

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Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
sipp...@sg.ibm.com


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Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

[Arye Shemer]

Hello z/VM experts,
I tried the IBMVM forum, but it seems not working for me.

Does z/VM have a product/tool of any vendor which can send backups to the
Cloud  (*no z/OS involvement*)?

Thank you,
Arye.

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