Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 8/21/2014 7:08 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Some 23 of the world's top 25 retailers, 92 of the top 100 banks, and the 10 largest insurers all entrust core operations to Cobol programs running on IBM mainframes, says Deon Newman, vice president, IBM System z. Since 2010, around

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:26:05 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: IIRC, when Greg Lotko referenced these same statistics during his keynote address at SHARE in Boston, he mentioned that approximately 40% of those new customers were z/OS. I wonder where I was at the time - I'm pretty sure that would have

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread David Crayford
On 22/08/2014 3:08 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Having said that, my understanding is that this count of new customers includes customers that completely reversed previously confirmed, in-progress business plans to migrate off the mainframe. IMHO, it is completely fair to count them as new since

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread Linda
Hi Ed, I recollect the same as you do from Greg Lotko. IMHO opinion though, one big thing I see as missing are the user focused tv commercials and print ads. The end user customer used to push for each new upgrade. Now the voices of the tech folks are hard for them to hear above the noise

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread Martin Packer
: Meet Cobol's hard core fans Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Hi Ed, I recollect the same as you do from Greg Lotko. IMHO opinion though, one big thing I see as missing are the user focused tv commercials and print ads. The end user customer used to push

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 53f69bf0.40...@acm.org, on 08/21/2014 at 08:25 PM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: I don't know how colleges train people in IT these days, but in the old days students were taught basic programming concepts and algorithms and exposed to many different programming languages in order to

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-22 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Am 22.08.2014 03:25, schrieb Joel C. Ewing: As for the coming critical shortage of COBOL programmers: I don't know how colleges train people in IT these days, but in the old days students were taught basic programming concepts and algorithms and exposed to many different programming languages

Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9250527/ Meet_Cobol_s_hard_core_fans?source=CTWNLE_nlt_shark_2014-08-21 Computerworld - With the long-anticipated Cobol skills shortage starting to bite, many businesses have been steadily migrating applications off the mainframe. Blue Cross Blue

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:16:33 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9250527/ Meet_Cobol_s_hard_core_fans?source=CTWNLE_nlt_shark_2014-08-21 http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9250527/Meet_Cobol_s_hard_core_fans?source=CTWNLE_nlt_shark_2014-08-21 Computerworld -

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Greg Shirey
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans I'm somewhat surprised to see an IBM employee publicly disclosing such business statistics. -- gil

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 August 2014 16:48, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com wrote: As for the other 90% of businesses running mainframes today, Vecchio thinks the Cobol brain drain will be the catalyst for more extensive migrations off the platform, through rewrites, moves to packaged applications or

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Mark Post
On 8/21/2014 at 05:47 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: Not entirely clear to me how the COBOL brain drain is addressed by recompiling and re-hosting Cobol on distributed computing platforms. It's magic, I guess. Suddenly someone other than a long-time COBOL developer will be able to

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Mark Post
On 8/21/2014 at 04:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: I'm somewhat surprised to see an IBM employee publicly disclosing such business statistics. IBM executives get away with a lot of !@#$ like that. Pre-announcing stuff, etc. IBM executive

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 08/21/2014 03:19 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:16:33 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9250527/ Meet_Cobol_s_hard_core_fans?source=CTWNLE_nlt_shark_2014-08-21

Re: Meet Cobol's hard core fans

2014-08-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
Some 23 of the world's top 25 retailers, 92 of the top 100 banks, and the 10 largest insurers all entrust core operations to Cobol programs running on IBM mainframes, says Deon Newman, vice president, IBM System z. Since 2010, around 50 to 75 customers have left the