Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Tony Thigpen]

I do have the VM spooled output from "D T0.10"

I need to check on APAR OW56730 (PTF UA01439 for OS/390 2.10).


Tony Thigpen

Jim Mulder wrote on 09/25/2015 01:43 AM:

In a DR site, we are 'playing' with a customers OS/390 2.10 under z/VM
6.3 on a z10.

Their system was running with ARCHLVL=1, but we were having some
performance issues, so we decided to see what would happen with

ARCHLVL=2.


The initial IPL trucks along until it the console switches modes. Then
the guest enters:

"CP disabled wait PSW 0002 8000  9064"

Console:
IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION

Thoughts?


   Thinking about such things is more productive with stand-alone dump
at which to gaze.

   There was APAR OW56730 (PTF UA01439 for OS/390 2.10), which may be
of interest if it is not already installed.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: OS/390 hard wait Subject:

[Linda]

Www-3.ibm.com/systems/z/os/support/zos_server.htm 

Shows the z990 as the newest processor to support OS/390 2.10. 

HTH,

Linda

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On Sep 25, 2015, at 5:16 AM, Peter Relson  wrote:

>> The earliest version of MVS (sic) that is advertised 
>> to support ARCHLVL=2 is z/OS 1.6
> 
> Not true. z/OS 1.6 is the earliest release to require z/Architecture 
> (i.e., ARCHLVL=2).
> OS/390 R10 introduced ARCHLVL=2 as an option.
> 
>> IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION
> 
> As documented, this wait state code indicates that a program check 
> occurred.
> 
> If you were to ask anyone "a program check occurred, what went wrong?" 
> they'd ask for more information. As would we.
> What program check? Where? As documented there might be a message in the 
> wait state message area.
> A standalone dump would usually be needed to make much progress.
> 
> Was OS/390 R10 even a release for which z10 support was provided? have no 
> idea.
> 
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
> 
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Re: OS/390 hard wait Subject:

[Tony Thigpen]

Well, with the z800 compatibility feature installed, it runs on a z10.

As long as we use ARCHLVL=1. :-)

Tony Thigpen

Linda wrote on 09/25/2015 12:36 PM:

Www-3.ibm.com/systems/z/os/support/zos_server.htm

Shows the z990 as the newest processor to support OS/390 2.10.

HTH,

Linda

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On Sep 25, 2015, at 5:16 AM, Peter Relson  wrote:


The earliest version of MVS (sic) that is advertised
to support ARCHLVL=2 is z/OS 1.6


Not true. z/OS 1.6 is the earliest release to require z/Architecture
(i.e., ARCHLVL=2).
OS/390 R10 introduced ARCHLVL=2 as an option.


IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION


As documented, this wait state code indicates that a program check
occurred.

If you were to ask anyone "a program check occurred, what went wrong?"
they'd ask for more information. As would we.
What program check? Where? As documented there might be a message in the
wait state message area.
A standalone dump would usually be needed to make much progress.

Was OS/390 R10 even a release for which z10 support was provided? have no
idea.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: OS/390 hard wait Subject:

[R.S.]

W dniu 2015-09-25 o 18:36, Linda pisze:

Www-3.ibm.com/systems/z/os/support/zos_server.htm

Shows the z990 as the newest processor to support OS/390 2.10.

HTH,

Linda

Some people claimed they ran OS/390 2.10 on z9 or even z10.
Supported <> working.

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Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Shane Ginnane]

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 01:43:41 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote:

>  Thinking about such things is more productive with stand-alone dump
>at which to gaze.

My recollection of SADump at OS/390 2.10 (and z/OS 1.1 for that matter) in 
64-bit is less than happy. Me-thinks we had a discussion about memory not being 
dumped ... ?

As it happens I have a set of 2.10 CDs (yep real sparkling disks that work a 
treat for keeping the birds off the tomatoes) - updated for 64-bit even.
Not much of interest in the Planning for Install - standard PARMLIB updates, 
including ARCHLVL. Some notes re compatibility for those unfortunate enough to 
have a z900 - so I would also reckon a z10 might be a stretch given the manuals 
are dated December 2000.

Shane ...

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Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Shane Ginnane wrote:

>As it happens I have a set of 2.10 CDs (yep real sparkling disks that work a 
>treat for keeping the birds off the tomatoes) - updated for 64-bit even.

Or use them to keep animals running into fences if you have no paint cans lids 
to use. LaserDiscs, CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, etc., they're equally sparkling... ;-D

They're coming without those IOS000I DEVICE FENCED ... ;-D

Is it Friday today? ;-D

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: OS/390 hard wait Subject:

[Peter Relson]

>The earliest version of MVS (sic) that is advertised 
>to support ARCHLVL=2 is z/OS 1.6

Not true. z/OS 1.6 is the earliest release to require z/Architecture 
(i.e., ARCHLVL=2).
OS/390 R10 introduced ARCHLVL=2 as an option.

>IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION

As documented, this wait state code indicates that a program check 
occurred.

If you were to ask anyone "a program check occurred, what went wrong?" 
they'd ask for more information. As would we.
What program check? Where? As documented there might be a message in the 
wait state message area.
A standalone dump would usually be needed to make much progress.

Was OS/390 R10 even a release for which z10 support was provided? have no 
idea.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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OS/390 hard wait

[Tony Thigpen]

In a DR site, we are 'playing' with a customers OS/390 2.10 under z/VM 
6.3 on a z10.


Their system was running with ARCHLVL=1, but we were having some 
performance issues, so we decided to see what would happen with ARCHLVL=2.


The initial IPL trucks along until it the console switches modes. Then 
the guest enters:


"CP disabled wait PSW 0002 8000  9064"

Console:
IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION

Thoughts?

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Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Timothy Sipples]

Anthony Thompson wrote:
>The earliest version of MVS (sic) that is advertised to support
>ARCHLVL=2 is z/OS 1.6

A correction: z/OS 1.6 was the first release of z/OS to *require* ARCHLVL 2
(i.e. z/Architecture and 64-bit). OS/390 2.10 through z/OS 1.5 (inclusive)
were bimodal and advertised as such.

My recollection is that OS/390 2.10 did not originally ship in bimodal form
at its General Availability -- or at the very least OS/390 2.10 wasn't
*initially* advertised as bimodal. OS/390 2.10 was announced on May 16,
2000, several months before IBM announced the z900 on October 3, 2000.
Perhaps that helps answer Tony Thigpen's question. Maybe his customer just
skipped applying at least some ARCHLVL 2-related updates to their OS/390
2.10 installation.

However, even with all such updates in place it still might not matter on a
z10. The newest IBM model that supported OS/390 2.10 was the IBM z890
according to this table:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_server_support.html

z/VM 6.3 never supported the z890 -- z/VM Version 6 requires a z10 or
higher -- and thus also never supported OS/390 2.10 as a guest. So if
OS/390 2.10 runs in z/VM 6.3 on a z10 it's accidentally fortuitous, or
fortuitously accidental, even with the final and complete set of OS/390
2.10 updates in the mix.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Jim Mulder]

> In a DR site, we are 'playing' with a customers OS/390 2.10 under z/VM 
> 6.3 on a z10.
> 
> Their system was running with ARCHLVL=1, but we were having some 
> performance issues, so we decided to see what would happen with 
ARCHLVL=2.
> 
> The initial IPL trucks along until it the console switches modes. Then 
> the guest enters:
> 
> "CP disabled wait PSW 0002 8000  9064"
> 
> Console:
> IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION
> 
> Thoughts?

  Thinking about such things is more productive with stand-alone dump
at which to gaze.

  There was APAR OW56730 (PTF UA01439 for OS/390 2.10), which may be
of interest if it is not already installed. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Anthony Thompson]

I stand corrected! Thanks Timothy.

Ant.

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Anthony Thompson wrote:
>The earliest version of MVS (sic) that is advertised to support
>ARCHLVL=2 is z/OS 1.6

A correction: z/OS 1.6 was the first release of z/OS to *require* ARCHLVL 2 
(i.e. z/Architecture and 64-bit). OS/390 2.10 through z/OS 1.5 (inclusive) were 
bimodal and advertised as such.

My recollection is that OS/390 2.10 did not originally ship in bimodal form at 
its General Availability -- or at the very least OS/390 2.10 wasn't
*initially* advertised as bimodal. OS/390 2.10 was announced on May 16, 2000, 
several months before IBM announced the z900 on October 3, 2000.
Perhaps that helps answer Tony Thigpen's question. Maybe his customer just 
skipped applying at least some ARCHLVL 2-related updates to their OS/390
2.10 installation.

However, even with all such updates in place it still might not matter on a 
z10. The newest IBM model that supported OS/390 2.10 was the IBM z890 according 
to this table:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_server_support.html

z/VM 6.3 never supported the z890 -- z/VM Version 6 requires a z10 or higher -- 
and thus also never supported OS/390 2.10 as a guest. So if
OS/390 2.10 runs in z/VM 6.3 on a z10 it's accidentally fortuitous, or 
fortuitously accidental, even with the final and complete set of OS/390
2.10 updates in the mix.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: OS/390 hard wait

[Anthony Thompson]

The earliest version of MVS (sic) that is advertised to support ARCHLVL=2 is 
z/OS 1.6

Ant. 

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Subject: OS/390 hard wait

In a DR site, we are 'playing' with a customers OS/390 2.10 under z/VM
6.3 on a z10.

Their system was running with ARCHLVL=1, but we were having some performance 
issues, so we decided to see what would happen with ARCHLVL=2.

The initial IPL trucks along until it the console switches modes. Then the 
guest enters:

"CP disabled wait PSW 0002 8000  9064"

Console:
IEA304W SYSTEM WAIT STATE CODE 80009064 DURING IEAVNPF5 INITIALIZATION

Thoughts?

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