Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
I have one of these which I connect to a Windows 10 and an Ubuntu laptop and so far it works a dream. Has made my life so much easier. Sebastian On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:44:08 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >It will arrive here in a couple of days so I will let everyone know how well >it does or not work > > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of Bob Bridges >Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:09 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > >I'd be interested in hearing a quick review, Steve, once you've tried it out >and have an opinion. I don't know how serious I am about it, but it sounds >convenient. > >--- >Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > >/* That sort of wit which employs itself insolently in criticizing and >censuring the words and sentiments of others in conversation is absolute >folly; for it answers none of the ends of conversation. He who uses it >neither improves others, is improved himself, nor pleases anyone. -Poor >Richard's Almanack, 1756 */ > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of Steve Beaver >Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 13:06 > >I ordered the following from amazon > > UGREEN USB 3.0 Sharing Switch Selector 4 Port 2 Computers Peripheral >Switcher Adapter Hub for PC, Printer, Scanner, Mouse, Keyboard with One >Button Sw > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
Steve: Yeah I used to use Vonage. When I moved to PA, we have Verizon FIOS, it has been excellent. I have three machines ( Two Linux's and Windows 10 Pro box on it and a Synology NAS ) and numerous wifi connections. One of the Linux boxes is running z/PDT with the dongle, I have thought of getting a KVM like switch. But my workload has diminished somewhat .. Scott On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:42 AM Tony Thigpen wrote: > Company cars in the US were very popular until the government started > taxing them with rules that were just too much paperwork to make it > worth it. > Now, when we travel via car on business outside our local area, we rent > a car instead of using a mileage allowance. Usually cheaper and less > paperwork. > > Tony Thigpen > > R.S. wrote on 3/23/20 9:50 AM: > > I don't remember when I observed pagers in US last time, but it was > > definitely after 2000, maybe 2002 or 2004. Earlier I observed many IT > > folks equipped with the pager, not the cell phone. Note: it's nothing > > wrong, it is just a difference which put my attention, like many other > > things is US. Do you know you have differend curbs and pavements in > > cities? Not worse, but different ;-) > > > > Some of you write about private phone. Well. In Poland it is completely > > unusual to use private phone for business. Maybe the explanation is > > (was!) the tariff. Personally I have never had private cell phone. Yes, > > I use it for private calls, I'm allowed to. In the past (2008, Lehman > > Bros...) some beancounter wanted to make savings on the calls. After > > analysis my boss took me to the conversation and obliged me to use the > > cell phone ...more. Yes, MORE. My monthly bill was approx. 2-3 dollars. > > Both: private and business calls together. Our company tariff were good. > > Now I have Samsung S9 which allows to use two SIM cards, however many > > coworkers still use two phones - private and business. Not to talk about > > mobile app. developers - some of them have even 8 phones. > > Back to the topic: it is completely unusual to use private phone for > > company calls. Rather one gets the phone for that purpose. > > Mobile phones are quite cheap nowadays. > > > > The other difference I observed is company car. My observation is this > > is popular in Poland and Europe, but not so popular in US. Obviously > > company car is not so common as comany phone or company laptop. > > > > Disclaimer: I talk about IT & financial niche, not about every business. > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- *IDMWORKS * Scott Ford z/OS Dev. “By elevating a friend or Collegue you elevate yourself, by demeaning a friend or collegue you demean yourself” www.idmworks.com scott.f...@idmworks.com Blog: www.idmworks.com/blog *The information contained in this email message and any attachment may be privileged, confidential, proprietary or otherwise protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of this message and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and permanently delete it from your computer and destroy any printout thereof.* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
Company cars in the US were very popular until the government started taxing them with rules that were just too much paperwork to make it worth it. Now, when we travel via car on business outside our local area, we rent a car instead of using a mileage allowance. Usually cheaper and less paperwork. Tony Thigpen R.S. wrote on 3/23/20 9:50 AM: I don't remember when I observed pagers in US last time, but it was definitely after 2000, maybe 2002 or 2004. Earlier I observed many IT folks equipped with the pager, not the cell phone. Note: it's nothing wrong, it is just a difference which put my attention, like many other things is US. Do you know you have differend curbs and pavements in cities? Not worse, but different ;-) Some of you write about private phone. Well. In Poland it is completely unusual to use private phone for business. Maybe the explanation is (was!) the tariff. Personally I have never had private cell phone. Yes, I use it for private calls, I'm allowed to. In the past (2008, Lehman Bros...) some beancounter wanted to make savings on the calls. After analysis my boss took me to the conversation and obliged me to use the cell phone ...more. Yes, MORE. My monthly bill was approx. 2-3 dollars. Both: private and business calls together. Our company tariff were good. Now I have Samsung S9 which allows to use two SIM cards, however many coworkers still use two phones - private and business. Not to talk about mobile app. developers - some of them have even 8 phones. Back to the topic: it is completely unusual to use private phone for company calls. Rather one gets the phone for that purpose. Mobile phones are quite cheap nowadays. The other difference I observed is company car. My observation is this is popular in Poland and Europe, but not so popular in US. Obviously company car is not so common as comany phone or company laptop. Disclaimer: I talk about IT & financial niche, not about every business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
Well, it's a matter of choice. I still prefer regular PC with two big displays. However I also like my laptop, because it is portable. Not as convenient as PC, but portable. I also see advantages of smartphone. It is completely useless as terminal device. It is very inconvenient for text editor purposes. However I can use it to answer "yes, thanks", "No, it would be 400", or accept employee's holiday request. I can do it waiting for a train, in a bed, on boring meeting, etc. And some of the things are urgent. And also important. Mobile phone does not close laptop or PC as a choice. BTW: I always carry cordless mouse with my laptop. I don't like touchpad. I also don't like different keyboard layouts, especially Home & End keys hidden under Fn, but I do not carry regular keyboard with the laptop. ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 20.03.2020 o 16:47, Seymour J Metz pisze: No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant and more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with terrible human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. It’s the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited US many times and in the past I was amazed how popular the pagers were, when we were using cell phones. From the other hand I learnt that telco services in US are significantly cheaper than in Europe. Note: we are using smartphones and many company application are available in the phone. That allows me to start working early morning in bed. I don't have to do it, but it is just convenient. It's not only answering emails, but also accept requests (I'm manager), calendar schedule, password reset tool, Skype (inside company, and external), address book, etc. Total it's about 25 applications. Of course it's inside secure container and connected via VPN. As someone wrote, its' 2020, not 1950. However I say: it's 2020, not 2000. You don't need big PC to do many things which you can do from the phone. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
At home I use Vonage. No one at work as my cell number. And when I leave my office, it does not ring on my cell -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company About a decade ago, we switched to company mobile phones. At the same time, most of the internal fixed telephone network was dismantled. I think the justified the mobiles business case for a great deal. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: 23 March 2020 14:51 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company I don't remember when I observed pagers in US last time, but it was definitely after 2000, maybe 2002 or 2004. Earlier I observed many IT folks equipped with the pager, not the cell phone. Note: it's nothing wrong, it is just a difference which put my attention, like many other things is US. Do you know you have differend curbs and pavements in cities? Not worse, but different ;-) Some of you write about private phone. Well. In Poland it is completely unusual to use private phone for business. Maybe the explanation is (was!) the tariff. Personally I have never had private cell phone. Yes, I use it for private calls, I'm allowed to. In the past (2008, Lehman Bros...) some beancounter wanted to make savings on the calls. After analysis my boss took me to the conversation and obliged me to use the cell phone ...more. Yes, MORE. My monthly bill was approx. 2-3 dollars. Both: private and business calls together. Our company tariff were good. Now I have Samsung S9 which allows to use two SIM cards, however many coworkers still use two phones - private and business. Not to talk about mobile app. developers - some of them have even 8 phones. Back to the topic: it is completely unusual to use private phone for company calls. Rather one gets the phone for that purpose. Mobile phones are quite cheap nowadays. The other difference I observed is company car. My observation is this is popular in Poland and Europe, but not so popular in US. Obviously company car is not so common as comany phone or company laptop. Disclaimer: I talk about IT & financial niche, not about every business. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 22.03.2020 o 18:41, Bob Bridges pisze: > I'm with David on this one. A few days ago someone in this conversation said > he wouldn't use a personal cell phone for company business, and I didn't say > anything about it at the time. But I put my phone on an unlimited plan years > ago, and never since thought twice about using it for business and personal. > (Besides, I'm totally unwilling to carry around two cell phones.) > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* When their love was strong they could sleep on the edge of a sword, but > now when they have forgotten, a bed sixty feet across is not sufficient. > -Rab Akiva, quoted in _The Source_ by James Michener */ > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jousma, David > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:53 > > I haven’t seen a pager since I started in this business. When was the last > time you were over here Radoslaw, you might be aging yourself there... > Pretty much everyone has cell phones, but I doubt that many are company > issued any more. For us they are not. No biggie, I'd have one anyway, and > cell minutes are no longer a metered item. I do have company apps on my > phone, not an employer requirement, more for my own convenience. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclus
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
About a decade ago, we switched to company mobile phones. At the same time, most of the internal fixed telephone network was dismantled. I think the justified the mobiles business case for a great deal. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: 23 March 2020 14:51 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company I don't remember when I observed pagers in US last time, but it was definitely after 2000, maybe 2002 or 2004. Earlier I observed many IT folks equipped with the pager, not the cell phone. Note: it's nothing wrong, it is just a difference which put my attention, like many other things is US. Do you know you have differend curbs and pavements in cities? Not worse, but different ;-) Some of you write about private phone. Well. In Poland it is completely unusual to use private phone for business. Maybe the explanation is (was!) the tariff. Personally I have never had private cell phone. Yes, I use it for private calls, I'm allowed to. In the past (2008, Lehman Bros...) some beancounter wanted to make savings on the calls. After analysis my boss took me to the conversation and obliged me to use the cell phone ...more. Yes, MORE. My monthly bill was approx. 2-3 dollars. Both: private and business calls together. Our company tariff were good. Now I have Samsung S9 which allows to use two SIM cards, however many coworkers still use two phones - private and business. Not to talk about mobile app. developers - some of them have even 8 phones. Back to the topic: it is completely unusual to use private phone for company calls. Rather one gets the phone for that purpose. Mobile phones are quite cheap nowadays. The other difference I observed is company car. My observation is this is popular in Poland and Europe, but not so popular in US. Obviously company car is not so common as comany phone or company laptop. Disclaimer: I talk about IT & financial niche, not about every business. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 22.03.2020 o 18:41, Bob Bridges pisze: > I'm with David on this one. A few days ago someone in this conversation said > he wouldn't use a personal cell phone for company business, and I didn't say > anything about it at the time. But I put my phone on an unlimited plan years > ago, and never since thought twice about using it for business and personal. > (Besides, I'm totally unwilling to carry around two cell phones.) > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* When their love was strong they could sleep on the edge of a sword, but > now when they have forgotten, a bed sixty feet across is not sufficient. > -Rab Akiva, quoted in _The Source_ by James Michener */ > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jousma, David > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:53 > > I haven’t seen a pager since I started in this business. When was the last > time you were over here Radoslaw, you might be aging yourself there... > Pretty much everyone has cell phones, but I doubt that many are company > issued any more. For us they are not. No biggie, I'd have one anyway, and > cell minutes are no longer a metered item. I do have company apps on my > phone, not an employer requirement, more for my own convenience. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
I don't remember when I observed pagers in US last time, but it was definitely after 2000, maybe 2002 or 2004. Earlier I observed many IT folks equipped with the pager, not the cell phone. Note: it's nothing wrong, it is just a difference which put my attention, like many other things is US. Do you know you have differend curbs and pavements in cities? Not worse, but different ;-) Some of you write about private phone. Well. In Poland it is completely unusual to use private phone for business. Maybe the explanation is (was!) the tariff. Personally I have never had private cell phone. Yes, I use it for private calls, I'm allowed to. In the past (2008, Lehman Bros...) some beancounter wanted to make savings on the calls. After analysis my boss took me to the conversation and obliged me to use the cell phone ...more. Yes, MORE. My monthly bill was approx. 2-3 dollars. Both: private and business calls together. Our company tariff were good. Now I have Samsung S9 which allows to use two SIM cards, however many coworkers still use two phones - private and business. Not to talk about mobile app. developers - some of them have even 8 phones. Back to the topic: it is completely unusual to use private phone for company calls. Rather one gets the phone for that purpose. Mobile phones are quite cheap nowadays. The other difference I observed is company car. My observation is this is popular in Poland and Europe, but not so popular in US. Obviously company car is not so common as comany phone or company laptop. Disclaimer: I talk about IT & financial niche, not about every business. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 22.03.2020 o 18:41, Bob Bridges pisze: I'm with David on this one. A few days ago someone in this conversation said he wouldn't use a personal cell phone for company business, and I didn't say anything about it at the time. But I put my phone on an unlimited plan years ago, and never since thought twice about using it for business and personal. (Besides, I'm totally unwilling to carry around two cell phones.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* When their love was strong they could sleep on the edge of a sword, but now when they have forgotten, a bed sixty feet across is not sufficient. -Rab Akiva, quoted in _The Source_ by James Michener */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:53 I haven’t seen a pager since I started in this business. When was the last time you were over here Radoslaw, you might be aging yourself there... Pretty much everyone has cell phones, but I doubt that many are company issued any more. For us they are not. No biggie, I'd have one anyway, and cell minutes are no longer a metered item. I do have company apps on my phone, not an employer requirement, more for my own convenience. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
It will arrive here in a couple of days so I will let everyone know how well it does or not work -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company I'd be interested in hearing a quick review, Steve, once you've tried it out and have an opinion. I don't know how serious I am about it, but it sounds convenient. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* That sort of wit which employs itself insolently in criticizing and censuring the words and sentiments of others in conversation is absolute folly; for it answers none of the ends of conversation. He who uses it neither improves others, is improved himself, nor pleases anyone. -Poor Richard's Almanack, 1756 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 13:06 I ordered the following from amazon UGREEN USB 3.0 Sharing Switch Selector 4 Port 2 Computers Peripheral Switcher Adapter Hub for PC, Printer, Scanner, Mouse, Keyboard with One Button Sw -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
Peter - I had a IOGEAR KVMP but I found it to be too much to deal with when I changed all my (3) monitors to HDMI and I went to a Logitech 850 Keyboard and Mouse. Now a simple USB3 is much cheaper and more effective for my needs -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 1:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company Bob, I do not use a KVM switch. The one I mentioned from IOGear is a "KMP" switch only (Keyboard, Mouse, Printer -- or anything else that connects with a USB port, including flash drives). My Dell monitor has two HDMI input ports, two DisplayPort input ports and one DVI input port, so I have my desktop and home laptop connected to the monitor via separate HDMI cables and my work laptop connected to the same monitor via DisplayPort cable. The monitor has an on-screen function and physical button (well, really a "button area" on the lower-right bezel) that allows me to switch between all of the monitor inputs. I use the IOGear "KMP" switch to move my keyboard, mouse and printer between the machines. Like I said, lots of cables but it all "just works". An experience I had with a true KVM switch years ago kind of put me off that solution, because the video switching was sometimes flakey, and my work does not allow me the luxury of anything flakey. Plus that was in the days od DVI connections only for CRT monitors and separate cable types for keyboard and mouse, and the DVI cables were really bulky and hard to manipulate. Plus printers were PC "parallel port" connected, and that required its own separate (and bulky) switch. Much easier now to have a multi-port monitor with its own switching capability. Not cheap mind you, but much more reliable. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company EXTERNAL EMAIL There was a time when I had three laptops (two of them issued by clients), and space was getting tight. I thought then about buying one of those switches, Peter. A "KVM" switch, is that what it's called (keyboard, video, mouse)? I don't remember for sure. The situation improved before I got around to it, but I'm thinking about it again now. How did it work for you? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The creditors are a superstitious sect, great observers of set days and times. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 13:01 FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
Bob, I do not use a KVM switch. The one I mentioned from IOGear is a "KMP" switch only (Keyboard, Mouse, Printer -- or anything else that connects with a USB port, including flash drives). My Dell monitor has two HDMI input ports, two DisplayPort input ports and one DVI input port, so I have my desktop and home laptop connected to the monitor via separate HDMI cables and my work laptop connected to the same monitor via DisplayPort cable. The monitor has an on-screen function and physical button (well, really a "button area" on the lower-right bezel) that allows me to switch between all of the monitor inputs. I use the IOGear "KMP" switch to move my keyboard, mouse and printer between the machines. Like I said, lots of cables but it all "just works". An experience I had with a true KVM switch years ago kind of put me off that solution, because the video switching was sometimes flakey, and my work does not allow me the luxury of anything flakey. Plus that was in the days od DVI connections only for CRT monitors and separate cable types for keyboard and mouse, and the DVI cables were really bulky and hard to manipulate. Plus printers were PC "parallel port" connected, and that required its own separate (and bulky) switch. Much easier now to have a multi-port monitor with its own switching capability. Not cheap mind you, but much more reliable. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company EXTERNAL EMAIL There was a time when I had three laptops (two of them issued by clients), and space was getting tight. I thought then about buying one of those switches, Peter. A "KVM" switch, is that what it's called (keyboard, video, mouse)? I don't remember for sure. The situation improved before I got around to it, but I'm thinking about it again now. How did it work for you? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The creditors are a superstitious sect, great observers of set days and times. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 13:01 FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'd be interested in hearing a quick review, Steve, once you've tried it out and have an opinion. I don't know how serious I am about it, but it sounds convenient. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* That sort of wit which employs itself insolently in criticizing and censuring the words and sentiments of others in conversation is absolute folly; for it answers none of the ends of conversation. He who uses it neither improves others, is improved himself, nor pleases anyone. -Poor Richard's Almanack, 1756 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 13:06 I ordered the following from amazon UGREEN USB 3.0 Sharing Switch Selector 4 Port 2 Computers Peripheral Switcher Adapter Hub for PC, Printer, Scanner, Mouse, Keyboard with One Button Sw -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Shmuel, I have used them remotely connected to the Net then into a Linux box. I had pretty good luck. The only issue I bumped into was were power outages , hard to recover from with a KVM. Scott On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 1:56 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > I've seen lots of hangs associated with KVM switches. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:46 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > > There was a time when I had three laptops (two of them issued by clients), > and space was getting tight. I thought then about buying one of those > switches, Peter. A "KVM" switch, is that what it's called (keyboard, > video, > mouse)? I don't remember for sure. The situation improved before I got > around to it, but I'm thinking about it again now. How did it work for > you? > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* The creditors are a superstitious sect, great observers of set days and > times. -Poor Richard */ > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 13:01 > > FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a > comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change > between > my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. > IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched > among > up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort > inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of > course, but it has been well worth it. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've seen lots of hangs associated with KVM switches. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company There was a time when I had three laptops (two of them issued by clients), and space was getting tight. I thought then about buying one of those switches, Peter. A "KVM" switch, is that what it's called (keyboard, video, mouse)? I don't remember for sure. The situation improved before I got around to it, but I'm thinking about it again now. How did it work for you? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The creditors are a superstitious sect, great observers of set days and times. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 13:01 FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
There was a time when I had three laptops (two of them issued by clients), and space was getting tight. I thought then about buying one of those switches, Peter. A "KVM" switch, is that what it's called (keyboard, video, mouse)? I don't remember for sure. The situation improved before I got around to it, but I'm thinking about it again now. How did it work for you? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The creditors are a superstitious sect, great observers of set days and times. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 13:01 FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm with David on this one. A few days ago someone in this conversation said he wouldn't use a personal cell phone for company business, and I didn't say anything about it at the time. But I put my phone on an unlimited plan years ago, and never since thought twice about using it for business and personal. (Besides, I'm totally unwilling to carry around two cell phones.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* When their love was strong they could sleep on the edge of a sword, but now when they have forgotten, a bed sixty feet across is not sufficient. -Rab Akiva, quoted in _The Source_ by James Michener */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:53 I haven’t seen a pager since I started in this business. When was the last time you were over here Radoslaw, you might be aging yourself there... Pretty much everyone has cell phones, but I doubt that many are company issued any more. For us they are not. No biggie, I'd have one anyway, and cell minutes are no longer a metered item. I do have company apps on my phone, not an employer requirement, more for my own convenience. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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YES!! I love laptops for travel, and therefore use them at home too; but I always carry around a real keyboard and trackball to plug into the laptop so I can type at normal speed without having to find numeric keys, arrows etc. (Just recently I had one of my sons build me a tower, with a bigger monitor and tons of RAM and HD space. (Keeping in mind what "tons of RAM" might mean to a guy who not so long ago thought 32K was really cool.) But mostly I got the new one because I figure my clients shouldn't suffer from my not having a backup, not because I really needed bigger and better.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Give a man fire and he's warm for a day; set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life. -found on the web */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:47 No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant and more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with terrible human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I ordered the following from amazon UGREEN USB 3.0 Sharing Switch Selector 4 Port 2 Computers Peripheral Switcher Adapter Hub for PC, Printer, Scanner, Mouse, Keyboard with One Button Sw -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company IOGear GUS434 - 4x4 USB 3.0 Peripheral Sharing Switch -- 67.18 USD from NewEgg. They also make GUS432 2x4 to switch 4 USB devices between 2 computers. 63.16 USD from NewEgg. Button provided to switch between computers for both versions. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 Mouse and Keyboard. For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a switch box and have my dongle on the other side with A button to switch back and forth? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I would not even think about a VPN client for the mainframe. Go with the purpose built routers that can be very cost effective. You can get a pair of Ubiquity ER-X VPN capable routers for about $100. Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 3/20/20 9:58 PM: On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:42:20 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote: My biggest problem with WFH is that the VPN guys just don't understand the correct protocol for the giant mainframe mouse. Do you mean that VPN clients for mainframe are rare? Hmmm... hadn't thought of that. Is there a FOSS VPN client that could be built for Linux for z? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:58 PM Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:42:20 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote: > > >My biggest problem with WFH is that the VPN guys just don't understand the > >correct protocol for the giant mainframe mouse. > > > > > > > Do you mean that VPN clients for mainframe are rare? Hmmm... > hadn't thought of that. Is there a FOSS VPN client that could > be built for Linux for z? > > -- gil > > This might be a starting point. https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/openvpn-as/ f it could be built foe z/Linux as a Docker app, then it might be deployable on z/OS via z/CX, https://www.ibm.com/support/z-content-solutions/container-extensions/, which does not require setting up a z/Linux LPAR. -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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If the "dongle" you mention is for zPDT and you intend to switch this among several PCs, then you should pay attention to the Linux TOD in the machines. Remember that the zPDT setup should never see the TOD run backwards. Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:42:20 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote: >My biggest problem with WFH is that the VPN guys just don't understand the >correct protocol for the giant mainframe mouse. > > > Do you mean that VPN clients for mainframe are rare? Hmmm... hadn't thought of that. Is there a FOSS VPN client that could be built for Linux for z? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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My biggest problem with WFH is that the VPN guys just don't understand the correct protocol for the giant mainframe mouse. Rob Schramm On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 15:46 Martin Packer wrote: > I can't help you with that but I can note I have a Logitech K780 keyboard > and a Logitech M720 Triathlon mouse, both of which allow button-press > switching to 3 computers. (Right now it's Raspberry Pi and Macbook Pro.) > The universal receivers are in the Pi and the Macbook Pro is Bluetooth > attached to them. (Third computer will be my ancient 12.9" iPad Pro - just > as soon as I can get iPad OS 13.4 installed.) > > This might help you - as a future consideration. > > Cheers, Martin > > Martin Packer > > zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM > > +44-7802-245-584 > > email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com > > Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker > > Blog: > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker > > Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/ > or > > > https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 > > > Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA > > > > From: Steve Beaver > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 20/03/2020 18:01 > Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 > Mouse > and Keyboard. > > For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. > > Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a > switch box and have my dongle on the other side with > A button to switch back and forth? > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:01 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > > FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and > a > comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change > between > my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. > IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched > among > up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort > inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables > of > course, but it has been well worth it. > > The HumanScale office chair I bought long ago is comfortable too, not > cheap > but the best investment in WFH comfort I ever made. > > Radoslaw, > > I don't know how other US companies do it, but mine has a telcom setup > that > routes my work extension to my home land line as well as ringing in the > Cisco Jabber software on my company laptop, so I don't need a company cell > phone. Don't want a company cell phone either, managers get them but > techies like me don't need them. If I'm not online the Tech Support OPS > people know my home phone number and can call me there for production > issues. If I'm not at home I am not easily reachable (not counting > vacations where I do take the work laptop along for emergencies), but my > manager has my personal cell number in case of a true emergency when I am > out of the house. And being a true old fogey my cell is only turned on > when > I am out of the house. I use it strictly for phone calls and public > transit > schedules, and sometimes texts to/from family. No facebook, no twitter, > no > games, don't need and don't want any of that. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of > Seymour J Metz > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > > No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that > doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant > and > more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with > terrible > human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3=DwICAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=gYC6ELCXivVr7Aty4oozAk87Pu_6--HIljz9GbxDH6c=Zlka47jvLW__F54rvWS3P3PLnhKUwVs_SoxnhcAJa6M= > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of > R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] >
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I can't help you with that but I can note I have a Logitech K780 keyboard and a Logitech M720 Triathlon mouse, both of which allow button-press switching to 3 computers. (Right now it's Raspberry Pi and Macbook Pro.) The universal receivers are in the Pi and the Macbook Pro is Bluetooth attached to them. (Third computer will be my ancient 12.9" iPad Pro - just as soon as I can get iPad OS 13.4 installed.) This might help you - as a future consideration. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Steve Beaver To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 20/03/2020 18:01 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 Mouse and Keyboard. For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a switch box and have my dongle on the other side with A button to switch back and forth? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. The HumanScale office chair I bought long ago is comfortable too, not cheap but the best investment in WFH comfort I ever made. Radoslaw, I don't know how other US companies do it, but mine has a telcom setup that routes my work extension to my home land line as well as ringing in the Cisco Jabber software on my company laptop, so I don't need a company cell phone. Don't want a company cell phone either, managers get them but techies like me don't need them. If I'm not online the Tech Support OPS people know my home phone number and can call me there for production issues. If I'm not at home I am not easily reachable (not counting vacations where I do take the work laptop along for emergencies), but my manager has my personal cell number in case of a true emergency when I am out of the house. And being a true old fogey my cell is only turned on when I am out of the house. I use it strictly for phone calls and public transit schedules, and sometimes texts to/from family. No facebook, no twitter, no games, don't need and don't want any of that. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant and more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with terrible human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3=DwICAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=gYC6ELCXivVr7Aty4oozAk87Pu_6--HIljz9GbxDH6c=Zlka47jvLW__F54rvWS3P3PLnhKUwVs_SoxnhcAJa6M= From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: > We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. It's the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited U
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:59:57 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: >In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 Mouse >and Keyboard. > >For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. > >Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a >switch box and have my dongle on the other side with >A button to switch back and forth? > Would VNC be a software alternative? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Do a search on amazon.com for "usb switch" and you find some. *Mark T. Regan, K8MTR* CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991 Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017 On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 2:44 PM Farley, Peter x23353 < peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote: > IOGear GUS434 - 4x4 USB 3.0 Peripheral Sharing Switch -- 67.18 USD from > NewEgg. > > They also make GUS432 2x4 to switch 4 USB devices between 2 computers. > 63.16 USD from NewEgg. > > Button provided to switch between computers for both versions. > > HTH > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Steve Beaver > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > > In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 > Mouse and Keyboard. > > For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. > > Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a > switch box and have my dongle on the other side with A button to switch > back and forth? > > -- > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IOGear GUS434 - 4x4 USB 3.0 Peripheral Sharing Switch -- 67.18 USD from NewEgg. They also make GUS432 2x4 to switch 4 USB devices between 2 computers. 63.16 USD from NewEgg. Button provided to switch between computers for both versions. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 Mouse and Keyboard. For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a switch box and have my dongle on the other side with A button to switch back and forth? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 11:02, R.S. wrote: > W dniu 19.03.2020 o 20:46, Steve Beaver pisze: > > My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH > going to get people back on-site > > In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands > > Things will change. People will change their mind, and their opinion > about WFH. The argument "just no" or "mama said so" won't work anymore. > There will be many contra-arguments like "companies A, B, C, D... > decided to keep WFH" or "it worked well during the plague, why do you > think it won't work now", etc. > All this applies more generally than to WFH. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In my work setup I have 3 Monitors and 2 computers and a Logitech 850 Mouse and Keyboard. For me to switch I have to move the Dongle. Can anyone suggest a piece of gear I can put a pair of USB-A plugs onto a switch box and have my dongle on the other side with A button to switch back and forth? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. The HumanScale office chair I bought long ago is comfortable too, not cheap but the best investment in WFH comfort I ever made. Radoslaw, I don't know how other US companies do it, but mine has a telcom setup that routes my work extension to my home land line as well as ringing in the Cisco Jabber software on my company laptop, so I don't need a company cell phone. Don't want a company cell phone either, managers get them but techies like me don't need them. If I'm not online the Tech Support OPS people know my home phone number and can call me there for production issues. If I'm not at home I am not easily reachable (not counting vacations where I do take the work laptop along for emergencies), but my manager has my personal cell number in case of a true emergency when I am out of the house. And being a true old fogey my cell is only turned on when I am out of the house. I use it strictly for phone calls and public transit schedules, and sometimes texts to/from family. No facebook, no twitter, no games, don't need and don't want any of that. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant and more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with terrible human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: > We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. It's the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited US many times and in the past I was amazed how popular the pagers were, when we were using cell phones. From the other hand I learnt that telco services in US are significantly cheaper than in Europe. Note: we are using smartphones and many company application are available in the phone. That allows me to start working early morning in bed. I don't have to do it, but it is just convenient. It's not only answering emails, but also accept requests (I'm manager), calendar schedule, password reset tool, Skype (inside company, and external), address book, etc. Total it's about 25 applications. Of course it's inside secure container and connected via VPN. As someone wrote, its' 2020, not 1950. However I say: it's 2020, not 2000. You don't need big PC to do many things which you can do from the phone. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / sign
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What counts as typical is lousy human factors and the song "You'll do it my way." Every laptop that I have seen in the last decade has had the key set back;I even saw a keyboard with no touchpad but the keys still set back for the nonexistent touchpad. When I can get a large screen and an AT keyboard with a mini trackball on the right (they used to exist) then I'll consider a laptop. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gord Tomlin [gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company On 2020-03-20 11:47, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! Sadly, it's hard to decide what counts as "typical". I use four laptops regularly, and all have the non-alphanumeric keys laid out significantly differently. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1YOpGw9WGPMT0H09Jhg7nmMmCHwUdyo5sRkqZzd-xrSeH6rCykN6S9H3emXSR03cBY1028cccPrk-arIQXca4gp-KYA_MBh9pHTz2zBaWYjbjklDa8sW2Kze16ER2Cilz0Qhj18HckC-xd_ligE05NoPTmf_kiRo_6BYgUgTF-5CcP8bEwO6vL7iEmlnlS0_UOaan149aDT4pFwy5Y_38AbaCpo0LnTpyJJu7k8KCKjrumjbFx-XFaBR03Dj15h4hfj9dWkEdp7pNfXVy6ABANQjtWP1pc12Y-IlXxb3HmmnmZfK5WviN49R6U532eXPL2PXAYSWsOTBMQxEIUrTTwfFgRx_oc2llnORTMW06LIUJkQ_OgOsHVIwvtzkC7h6Z8eSKICTfryxdjlAZ3kZ3qztQtE4I2Ca2muHfjzLzsOeVNcm2WCDlRCWtnW6bhGMs/https%3A%2F%2Factionsoftware.com%2Fsupport%2F -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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FWIW, my WFH setup for many years now includes an MS Natural keyboard and a comfortable Logitech gaming mouse that I use a USB3 switch to change between my small work laptop, large home desktop and medium-sized home laptop. IOGear makes the USB3 switch, which can handle up to 4 inputs switched among up to 4 CPU's. My 27 inch Dell monitor has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort inputs so I can switch the screen among all my machines. Lots of cables of course, but it has been well worth it. The HumanScale office chair I bought long ago is comfortable too, not cheap but the best investment in WFH comfort I ever made. Radoslaw, I don't know how other US companies do it, but mine has a telcom setup that routes my work extension to my home land line as well as ringing in the Cisco Jabber software on my company laptop, so I don't need a company cell phone. Don't want a company cell phone either, managers get them but techies like me don't need them. If I'm not online the Tech Support OPS people know my home phone number and can call me there for production issues. If I'm not at home I am not easily reachable (not counting vacations where I do take the work laptop along for emergencies), but my manager has my personal cell number in case of a true emergency when I am out of the house. And being a true old fogey my cell is only turned on when I am out of the house. I use it strictly for phone calls and public transit schedules, and sometimes texts to/from family. No facebook, no twitter, no games, don't need and don't want any of that. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant and more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with terrible human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: > We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have > company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number > rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. > It's the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited US many times and in the past I was amazed how popular the pagers were, when we were using cell phones. From the other hand I learnt that telco services in US are significantly cheaper than in Europe. Note: we are using smartphones and many company application are available in the phone. That allows me to start working early morning in bed. I don't have to do it, but it is just convenient. It's not only answering emails, but also accept requests (I'm manager), calendar schedule, password reset tool, Skype (inside company, and external), address book, etc. Total it's about 25 applications. Of course it's inside secure container and connected via VPN. As someone wrote, its' 2020, not 1950. However I say: it's 2020, not 2000. You don't need big PC to do many things which you can do from the phone. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I haven’t seen a pager since I started in this business. When was the last time you were over here Radoslaw, you might be aging yourself there... Pretty much everyone has cell phones, but I doubt that many are company issued any more. For us they are not. No biggie, I'd have one anyway, and cell minutes are no longer a metered item. I do have company apps on my phone, not an employer requirement, more for my own convenience. However, you wont catch me working from bed. _ Dave Jousma AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: > We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have > company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number > rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. > It’s the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited US many times and in the past I was amazed how popular the pagers were, when we were using cell phones. From the other hand I learnt that telco services in US are significantly cheaper than in Europe. Note: we are using smartphones and many company application are available in the phone. That allows me to start working early morning in bed. I don't have to do it, but it is just convenient. It's not only answering emails, but also accept requests (I'm manager), calendar schedule, password reset tool, Skype (inside company, and external), address book, etc. Total it's about 25 applications. Of course it's inside secure container and connected via VPN. As someone wrote, its' 2020, not 1950. However I say: it's 2020, not 2000. You don't need big PC to do many things which you can do from the phone. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informin
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
On 2020-03-20 11:47, Seymour J Metz wrote: Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! Sadly, it's hard to decide what counts as "typical". I use four laptops regularly, and all have the non-alphanumeric keys laid out significantly differently. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
No, you don't need a big PC with a comfortable keyboard and screen that doesn't force continual scrolling, but it sure makes life more pleasant and more productive. It never ceases to amaze me how people put up with terrible human factors. Take the typical laptop keyboard - please! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: > We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have > company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number > rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. > It’s the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited US many times and in the past I was amazed how popular the pagers were, when we were using cell phones. From the other hand I learnt that telco services in US are significantly cheaper than in Europe. Note: we are using smartphones and many company application are available in the phone. That allows me to start working early morning in bed. I don't have to do it, but it is just convenient. It's not only answering emails, but also accept requests (I'm manager), calendar schedule, password reset tool, Skype (inside company, and external), address book, etc. Total it's about 25 applications. Of course it's inside secure container and connected via VPN. As someone wrote, its' 2020, not 1950. However I say: it's 2020, not 2000. You don't need big PC to do many things which you can do from the phone. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1tJxtM3JFoinxsEpY-7Aug8ivowjGkyEMlew9IZ1DD9HlLaxbShIwhHWDnCTk1TiFrwJdpzcOToEJjnK4D17lU0065AOg1cJ1rrq0rZElXMYy5XljlmDVJzp65vGwdEprhtnVc4dxKe01TldwrSpOYEhh8lmL_-lSbyDf6bBT8-tuzZFAsMghDDfDRsJG38A251D_ZTFCdI1sbs9Mgk9z8Rh3at3DbN2atIgVVXCVultIKNhpPddOVPjpg9ltxrp6lnjSfFNKqBcLZY42fjlbPsrR_jjUUe6h7c3Vo0eULqZiUMX3A6zF8T-5mfdnGQDGGwoC7pBiQToOF0nEhA5hshumXPuSrjgSW16iprlOiimpNPXNTLxCu3_uqtqb-i5Y9F5Dm6LiMixXYHFKT9XsPEs2oiTR9kDiVDK5LIJSeAzygwjKREjJl1ekYezzPtFA/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1tJxtM3JFoinxsEpY-7Aug8ivowjGkyEMlew9IZ1DD9HlLaxbShIwhHWDnCTk1TiFrwJdpzcOToEJjnK4D17lU0065AOg1cJ1rrq0rZElXMYy5XljlmDVJzp65vGwdEprhtnVc4dxKe01TldwrSpOYEhh8lmL_-lSbyDf6bBT8-tuzZFAsMghDDfDRsJG38A251D_ZTFCdI1sbs9Mgk9z8Rh3at3DbN2atIgVVXCVultIKNhpPddOVPjpg9ltxrp6lnjSfFNKqBcLZY42fjlbPsrR_jjUUe6h7c3Vo0eULqZiUMX3A6zF8T-5mfdnGQDGGwoC7pBiQToOF0nEhA5hshumXPuSrjgSW16iprlOiimpNPXNTLxCu3_uqtqb-i5Y9F5Dm6LiMixXYHFKT9XsPEs2oiTR9kDiVDK5LIJSeAzygwjKREjJl1ekYezzPtFA/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: I
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:02 AM R.S.
wrote:
> W dniu 19.03.2020 o 20:46, Steve Beaver pisze:
> > My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH
> going to get people back on-site
> > In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands
>
> Things will change. People will change their mind, and their opinion
> about WFH. The argument "just no" or "mama said so" won't work anymore.
> There will be many contra-arguments like "companies A, B, C, D...
> decided to keep WFH" or "it worked well during the plague, why do you
> think it won't work now", etc.
> And last, but not least it will become POPULAR. Trendy. Being trendy is
> important.
>
I know that my company is good with WFH because we do it for some of the
"customer facing" people. My boss is OK with it, but likes some "face
time", especially during our 3 person staff meeting. I prefer going it to
work because it helps me concentrate (i.e. my PS4 isn't whispering
enticements in my ear {grin}). If I do much more WFM, I'm going to
rearrange sme things to make it better on me. Laptop while in recliner is
comfy, but it's hard to type.So I'll finally get up & setup my 49 inch TV
and use it with my core i9 gaming rig.
>
> Personally I prefer to work in the office. Even before the plague we
> were allowed to work up to 100% remotely. WFH was used but usually on
> exception, it's maybe 5-10%. I have to accept any WFH form my team and I
> don't recognize I refused. So, people also want to work in the office.
> Of course YMMV. I knew a person who supported big company on US East
> Coast, even when living in Warsaw, Poland. Time gap was some issue here.
>
> --
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> Lodz, Poland
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Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
W dniu 19.03.2020 o 20:46, Steve Beaver pisze: My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH going to get people back on-site In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands Things will change. People will change their mind, and their opinion about WFH. The argument "just no" or "mama said so" won't work anymore. There will be many contra-arguments like "companies A, B, C, D... decided to keep WFH" or "it worked well during the plague, why do you think it won't work now", etc. And last, but not least it will become POPULAR. Trendy. Being trendy is important. Personally I prefer to work in the office. Even before the plague we were allowed to work up to 100% remotely. WFH was used but usually on exception, it's maybe 5-10%. I have to accept any WFH form my team and I don't recognize I refused. So, people also want to work in the office. Of course YMMV. I knew a person who supported big company on US East Coast, even when living in Warsaw, Poland. Time gap was some issue here. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 19.03.2020 o 18:30, Jousma, David pisze: We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. It’s the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... Just curious: In Poland and IMHO in Europe almost any office employee has company cell phone. In my company it is mandatory. I don't know any person form IT world (IBM, EMC, HDS, HP, local companies) without the cell phone. For years. What about US? I visited US many times and in the past I was amazed how popular the pagers were, when we were using cell phones. From the other hand I learnt that telco services in US are significantly cheaper than in Europe. Note: we are using smartphones and many company application are available in the phone. That allows me to start working early morning in bed. I don't have to do it, but it is just convenient. It's not only answering emails, but also accept requests (I'm manager), calendar schedule, password reset tool, Skype (inside company, and external), address book, etc. Total it's about 25 applications. Of course it's inside secure container and connected via VPN. As someone wrote, its' 2020, not 1950. However I say: it's 2020, not 2000. You don't need big PC to do many things which you can do from the phone. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Worked from home many times. In the 70's I had no comms except for a phone. Managed to crack out lots of code in a short time without office interruptions. Stretched it a bit when "working from from home" in Hawaii but nobody noticed. A four year stint of working from home 2008-2012 was great and I look back in wonder at what I could produce. Now our management are "seriously thinking about it". Ultimately, it's nothing short of a disaster situation now. A lot of our key guys don't have Dongles or Soft Tokens, so if the doors are closed it's an actual major exposure. Great opportunity to off some useless "managers" and let the experts get on with the real work. On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 11:16 AM Steve Beaver wrote: > I just jack the price $50/HR and they shut up > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of David Spiegel > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:10 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company > > When I've been told by recruiters that I have to be on site, I try to > get them to understand that for Systems Programming, there is almost no > good reason to ever be on site. > I also tell them that if the boss really wants to see my ugly face and > that I'm not goofing off, I will start a Skype (or equivalent) call at > 08:00 and leave it on the whole day. > > On 2020-03-19 19:54, Thomas Kern wrote: > > 35 years ago, I started teaching Dept of Energy sysprogs that with > > proper communications, there were only three things we could not do. > > > > 1) mount / unmount tapes on tape drives > > 2) tear paper off the printer > > 3) press the power button > > > > When we finally got rid of the Mainframe last August, there were no > > tapes or printers. (Yeah I went into the machine room to press the > > power button). But it took management's disease paranoia to get them > > past their need to see me touching a keyboard to believe I was really > > working. > > > > /Tom Kern > > > > On 03/19/2020 15:46, Steve Beaver wrote: > >> My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to > >> WFH going to get people back on-site > >> In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands > >> > >> > >> Steve > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > . > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
I just jack the price $50/HR and they shut up -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 7:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company When I've been told by recruiters that I have to be on site, I try to get them to understand that for Systems Programming, there is almost no good reason to ever be on site. I also tell them that if the boss really wants to see my ugly face and that I'm not goofing off, I will start a Skype (or equivalent) call at 08:00 and leave it on the whole day. On 2020-03-19 19:54, Thomas Kern wrote: > 35 years ago, I started teaching Dept of Energy sysprogs that with > proper communications, there were only three things we could not do. > > 1) mount / unmount tapes on tape drives > 2) tear paper off the printer > 3) press the power button > > When we finally got rid of the Mainframe last August, there were no > tapes or printers. (Yeah I went into the machine room to press the > power button). But it took management's disease paranoia to get them > past their need to see me touching a keyboard to believe I was really > working. > > /Tom Kern > > On 03/19/2020 15:46, Steve Beaver wrote: >> My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to >> WFH going to get people back on-site >> In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands >> >> >> Steve > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company
When I've been told by recruiters that I have to be on site, I try to get them to understand that for Systems Programming, there is almost no good reason to ever be on site. I also tell them that if the boss really wants to see my ugly face and that I'm not goofing off, I will start a Skype (or equivalent) call at 08:00 and leave it on the whole day. On 2020-03-19 19:54, Thomas Kern wrote: 35 years ago, I started teaching Dept of Energy sysprogs that with proper communications, there were only three things we could not do. 1) mount / unmount tapes on tape drives 2) tear paper off the printer 3) press the power button When we finally got rid of the Mainframe last August, there were no tapes or printers. (Yeah I went into the machine room to press the power button). But it took management's disease paranoia to get them past their need to see me touching a keyboard to believe I was really working. /Tom Kern On 03/19/2020 15:46, Steve Beaver wrote: My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH going to get people back on-site In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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35 years ago, I started teaching Dept of Energy sysprogs that with proper communications, there were only three things we could not do. 1) mount / unmount tapes on tape drives 2) tear paper off the printer 3) press the power button When we finally got rid of the Mainframe last August, there were no tapes or printers. (Yeah I went into the machine room to press the power button). But it took management's disease paranoia to get them past their need to see me touching a keyboard to believe I was really working. /Tom Kern On 03/19/2020 15:46, Steve Beaver wrote: My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH going to get people back on-site In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands Steve -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Then there is the bean counter point of view - Look how much office space we don't need anymore! John T. Abell Tel:800-295-7608Option 4 President International: 1-416-593-5578 Option 4 E-mail: john.ab...@intnlsoftwareproducts.com Fax:800-295-7609 International: 1-416-593-5579 International Software Products www.ispinfo.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive on behalf of the named recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also,email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 3:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company Probably in the usual way: "Show up at the office or say goodbye". Type A managers who never did trust their employees to actually work when WFH always seem to take the same approach. Peter "Ignorance is curable, stupidity is fatal." - R. Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 3:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH going to get people back on-site In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands Steve -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Probably in the usual way: "Show up at the office or say goodbye". Type A managers who never did trust their employees to actually work when WFH always seem to take the same approach. Peter "Ignorance is curable, stupidity is fatal." - R. Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 3:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH going to get people back on-site In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands Steve -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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My curiosity is how are these companies that have forced everyone to WFH going to get people back on-site In a couple of months without a MAJOR REVOLT on their hands Steve -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company On 3/19/20 12:33 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: > I work from home all the time and I have 15 z15's > > Even if only 1-frame each, that must take up a lot of closet space and make a little tick on the monthly electric bill. I'd be happy to have space and funds for 1 at home. :) -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 3/19/20 12:33 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: I work from home all the time and I have 15 z15's Even if only 1-frame each, that must take up a lot of closet space and make a little tick on the monthly electric bill. I'd be happy to have space and funds for 1 at home. :) -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I work from home all the time and I have 15 z15's -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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We have been moved to Work from home for the foreseeable future. We have company provided laptop connecting via VPN, and softphone so my office number rings wherever my laptop is connected. Seems to be working out pretty well. It’s the WEBEX server farm that seems to be having the growing pains... _ Dave Jousma AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:04 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > I've been working from home for the past ten years or so, and haven't > found it boring yet. But that's just me. > I get bored because I'm alone, and am used to the chatter. And, right now, not much is going on, so I'm mainly idle. > > My team lead at one client told me they're all starting WFH this week. > In his case he has something like an hour commute, so it's a blessing > for him. I told him that it may very well work out to be permanent, > even after the corona thingy is over. At least, in my experience when > someone works from home, it started because of some need - pregnancy, > recovering from surgery, maybe a broken leg or something - and once > the recovery period was over the boss said "oh, just keep on with it, > this is working fine". There are advantages to having people on-site, > but they're often offset by the reduced expense of the extra cubicle - > which is not just square footage and a few cubicle walls, but also a > phone line, two or three data lines, power etc, and maintenance of > same including evening cleanup. I've never managed an office but I > gather it adds up to an amount that can be surprising to a worker bee like me > to tends not to notice his surroundings. > I don't see how I can't have a company phone line. No way I am taking company calls on my personal cell. And the reason that I got a personal cell in the first place is that the company took away all company supplied cell phones. I am not going to have every vendor marketing monkey calling me on _MY_ phone. The way WFH works right now here is via Remote Desktop Gateway, so I still need a desktop at work. The LAN people, at present, are saying no "virtual desktops", so I need an actual PC somewhere in the building. And someone to reboot it when Windows freezes or goes walkabout. We have a VPN, but not enough licenses (seats) for everyone. And, again, the company is NOT going to "own" my PC by insisting on specific software, including networking monitoring software, be installed on my personal property. One guy was raked over the coals for having a lot of traffic to Chinese sites -- his wife is Chinese and was using their PC. I will insist on a company supplied & maintained PC, which I would only use for work, in this case. Which means there needs to be someone to maintain the PC if there is a problem with it. I won't try to fix company property. I could well be off base, the company in the past (before the current owner) tended to go cheap, not frugal. -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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yes and I miss the human contact! cheers -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Mandatory Work From Home at my company On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:04 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > I've been working from home for the past ten years or so, and haven't > found it boring yet. But that's just me. > I get bored because I'm alone, and am used to the chatter. And, right now, not much is going on, so I'm mainly idle. > > My team lead at one client told me they're all starting WFH this week. > In his case he has something like an hour commute, so it's a blessing > for him. I told him that it may very well work out to be permanent, > even after the corona thingy is over. At least, in my experience when > someone works from home, it started because of some need - pregnancy, > recovering from surgery, maybe a broken leg or something - and once > the recovery period was over the boss said "oh, just keep on with it, > this is working fine". There are advantages to having people on-site, > but they're often offset by the reduced expense of the extra cubicle - > which is not just square footage and a few cubicle walls, but also a > phone line, two or three data lines, power etc, and maintenance of > same including evening cleanup. I've never managed an office but I > gather it adds up to an amount that can be surprising to a worker bee like me > to tends not to notice his surroundings. > I don't see how I can't have a company phone line. No way I am taking company calls on my personal cell. And the reason that I got a personal cell in the first place is that the company took away all company supplied cell phones. I am not going to have every vendor marketing monkey calling me on _MY_ phone. The way WFH works right now here is via Remote Desktop Gateway, so I still need a desktop at work. The LAN people, at present, are saying no "virtual desktops", so I need an actual PC somewhere in the building. And someone to reboot it when Windows freezes or goes walkabout. We have a VPN, but not enough licenses (seats) for everyone. And, again, the company is NOT going to "own" my PC by insisting on specific software, including networking monitoring software, be installed on my personal property. One guy was raked over the coals for having a lot of traffic to Chinese sites -- his wife is Chinese and was using their PC. I will insist on a company supplied & maintained PC, which I would only use for work, in this case. Which means there needs to be someone to maintain the PC if there is a problem with it. I won't try to fix company property. I could well be off base, the company in the past (before the current owner) tended to go cheap, not frugal. -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I think there are a lot of shops that are behind the 8-ball on WFH. We have been doing it for many years, so we worked out the problems a long time ago. Phones are easy, just issue an IP phone device to each worker. It's getting them NOW and integrating them that is a problem. It might be cheaper/faster to just buy a bunch of cell phones and send them to each worker. If you are personally worried, go down and get a burner phone from the local shop and give that number to your contacts. You just need voice, so you don't need the super-duper burner phone. PCs are another issue. While small shops may get by with everyone using their personal PC, that becomes a pc-virus nightmare when then connect to the company network. For right now, the "go to my pc" type connection is the best. Eventually, they can issue work-owned laptops with real VPN connections to the shop and then they can lock down those laptops to just company software. I know shops that do this and once they figured out how to do it, it works well. But, again, can it be done NOW? Maybe not. Just use the "go to my pc" and get by for now. Remote conferences may take some getting used to. Everyone needs to know how to be a participant in a ZOOM meeting. Things like turning off their mics when not talking. Waiting for others to un-mute when asked a question. We use ZOOM for small meetings, and it can work, but it takes a little patience. Another problem with ZOOM, and others, is they are getting a big load right now and it may take them time to scale up. Tony Thigpen John McKown wrote on 3/19/20 12:45 PM: On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:04 AM Bob Bridges wrote: I've been working from home for the past ten years or so, and haven't found it boring yet. But that's just me. I get bored because I'm alone, and am used to the chatter. And, right now, not much is going on, so I'm mainly idle. My team lead at one client told me they're all starting WFH this week. In his case he has something like an hour commute, so it's a blessing for him. I told him that it may very well work out to be permanent, even after the corona thingy is over. At least, in my experience when someone works from home, it started because of some need - pregnancy, recovering from surgery, maybe a broken leg or something - and once the recovery period was over the boss said "oh, just keep on with it, this is working fine". There are advantages to having people on-site, but they're often offset by the reduced expense of the extra cubicle - which is not just square footage and a few cubicle walls, but also a phone line, two or three data lines, power etc, and maintenance of same including evening cleanup. I've never managed an office but I gather it adds up to an amount that can be surprising to a worker bee like me to tends not to notice his surroundings. I don't see how I can't have a company phone line. No way I am taking company calls on my personal cell. And the reason that I got a personal cell in the first place is that the company took away all company supplied cell phones. I am not going to have every vendor marketing monkey calling me on _MY_ phone. The way WFH works right now here is via Remote Desktop Gateway, so I still need a desktop at work. The LAN people, at present, are saying no "virtual desktops", so I need an actual PC somewhere in the building. And someone to reboot it when Windows freezes or goes walkabout. We have a VPN, but not enough licenses (seats) for everyone. And, again, the company is NOT going to "own" my PC by insisting on specific software, including networking monitoring software, be installed on my personal property. One guy was raked over the coals for having a lot of traffic to Chinese sites -- his wife is Chinese and was using their PC. I will insist on a company supplied & maintained PC, which I would only use for work, in this case. Which means there needs to be someone to maintain the PC if there is a problem with it. I won't try to fix company property. I could well be off base, the company in the past (before the current owner) tended to go cheap, not frugal. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:04 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > I've been working from home for the past ten years or so, and haven't > found it boring yet. But that's just me. > I get bored because I'm alone, and am used to the chatter. And, right now, not much is going on, so I'm mainly idle. > > My team lead at one client told me they're all starting WFH this week. In > his case he has something like an hour commute, so it's a blessing for > him. I told him that it may very well work out to be permanent, even after > the corona thingy is over. At least, in my experience when someone works > from home, it started because of some need - pregnancy, recovering from > surgery, maybe a broken leg or something - and once the recovery period was > over the boss said "oh, just keep on with it, this is working fine". There > are advantages to having people on-site, but they're often offset by the > reduced expense of the extra cubicle - which is not just square footage and > a few cubicle walls, but also a phone line, two or three data lines, power > etc, and maintenance of same including evening cleanup. I've never managed > an office but I gather it adds up to an amount that can be surprising to a > worker bee like me to tends not to notice his surroundings. > I don't see how I can't have a company phone line. No way I am taking company calls on my personal cell. And the reason that I got a personal cell in the first place is that the company took away all company supplied cell phones. I am not going to have every vendor marketing monkey calling me on _MY_ phone. The way WFH works right now here is via Remote Desktop Gateway, so I still need a desktop at work. The LAN people, at present, are saying no "virtual desktops", so I need an actual PC somewhere in the building. And someone to reboot it when Windows freezes or goes walkabout. We have a VPN, but not enough licenses (seats) for everyone. And, again, the company is NOT going to "own" my PC by insisting on specific software, including networking monitoring software, be installed on my personal property. One guy was raked over the coals for having a lot of traffic to Chinese sites -- his wife is Chinese and was using their PC. I will insist on a company supplied & maintained PC, which I would only use for work, in this case. Which means there needs to be someone to maintain the PC if there is a problem with it. I won't try to fix company property. I could well be off base, the company in the past (before the current owner) tended to go cheap, not frugal. -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've been working from home for the past ten years or so, and haven't found it boring yet. But that's just me. My team lead at one client told me they're all starting WFH this week. In his case he has something like an hour commute, so it's a blessing for him. I told him that it may very well work out to be permanent, even after the corona thingy is over. At least, in my experience when someone works from home, it started because of some need - pregnancy, recovering from surgery, maybe a broken leg or something - and once the recovery period was over the boss said "oh, just keep on with it, this is working fine". There are advantages to having people on-site, but they're often offset by the reduced expense of the extra cubicle - which is not just square footage and a few cubicle walls, but also a phone line, two or three data lines, power etc, and maintenance of same including evening cleanup. I've never managed an office but I gather it adds up to an amount that can be surprising to a worker bee like me to tends not to notice his surroundings. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Give a man fire and he's warm for a day; set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life. -found on the web */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 08:08 #metoo I have to work from home and force my all team do work from home and keep eye on it. --- W dniu 19.03.2020 o 12:54, John McKown pisze: > It is so boring to work from the house. But better safe tgan sorry > > [musing type=paranoid]Maybe it's all a conspiracy to RIF me and everybody > else is at the building.[/musing] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It is so boring to work from the house. But better safe tgan sorry [musing type=paranoid]Maybe it's all a conspiracy to RIF me and everybody else is at the building.[/musing] -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
