Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-24 Thread John Eells
No. Clark Morris wrote: On 23 Jul 2012 12:49:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: snip Is there a comparable facility for JES3? Clark Morris snip - Support is provided to allow jobs for which journaling is used to be stopped after a currently running step has finished and held

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 245275432281.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 07/23/2012 at 03:55 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: As I stated initially, one of my motives was portability. In a conventional UNIX system, processes needn't register to receive SIGTERM. In a conventional Unix

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Joel C. Ewing
The orderly shutdown of z/OS address spaces requires not just telling each address space it needs to terminate, but to shut down address spaces in an order that is heavily installation-dependent. In general a server address space (like HSM, DB2, Tape Management, Job management, TCP/IP, Vtape,

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Relson
SIGNAL SHUTDOWN is, I believe, a VM construct. It is not a machine construct. fully-architected hardware external interrupt (in the PoPs) that indicates that the LPAR is being shut down. FWIW, there is no such external interrupt. There is a service signal interrupt and z/OS does receive

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Don't know if z/OS itself is part of this, but have you looked at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/? From: David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Mike Schwab
It would be nice if an JES INIT could be set to abend a job at the end of a step to allow faster shutdown, cleaner restart. I.E. a status of draining-step would continue to run, but when the step ends .the job is cancelled. You would not want to apply this to some inits, because a STC or online

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Scott Ford
I guess I don't understand what David is asking..I thought that the z/Pdt cmd 'oprmsg ' routes a message or command to z/os from Linux ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't know if z/OS itself is part of

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread John Eells
Mike Schwab wrote: It would be nice if an JES INIT could be set to abend a job at the end of a step to allow faster shutdown, cleaner restart. I.E. a status of draining-step would continue to run, but when the step ends .the job is cancelled. You would not want to apply this to some inits,

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 Jul 2012 12:49:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Mike Schwab wrote: It would be nice if an JES INIT could be set to abend a job at the end of a step to allow faster shutdown, cleaner restart. I.E. a status of draining-step would continue to run, but when the step ends .the

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29123249662...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 07/22/2012 at 07:26 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Couldn't CP PVMSG send something that automation could pick up? What if you're not running z/VM? Does the CP in PR/SM support PVMSG? -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-23 Thread Phil Smith
Metz wrote: What if you're not running z/VM? Does the CP in PR/SM support PVMSG? No. But if you have access to the HMC, you should be able to get to the console. The thing with z/VM is that you might have a ton of guests and you're IPLing z/VM. If you're taking the CEC down, well...that's

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:17:11 -0500, David Boyes wrote: For those of you who haven't seen it, VM, VSE and Linux register for a specific fully-architected hardware external interrupt (in the PoPs) that indicates that the LPAR is being shut down. VSE issues a message, VM reflects the interrupt to

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:23:36 -0400, zMan wrote: Some years ago, I suggested in MVS-OE that MVS shutdown should send SIGTERM to all dubbed processes so that processes coded to UNIX conventions could perform orderly shutdown. The suggestion was not well received. Can you elaborate? Why would

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Scott Ford
Gil, I am with you and zMan what's so difficult about an orderly shutdown on OMVS and z/os address spaces..z/Pdt has vtamappl, everything shutdown fine... Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 22, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:23:36

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Ed Gould
I think the problem is that in z/OS there is no one way of notification (I know you are asking for one). There are at least 2 (3 if you count z) commands to stop an application, P and ,technically F I know F is usually modify but it is also used as stop. All the applications would have to

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
How can I go about submitting a requirement for z/OS to acknowledge and handle the same external interrupt as VM, VSE and Linux use to trigger a controlled shutdown (or at least acknowledge it by printing a message we can capture via console automation and trigger the shutdown ourselves)?

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Scott Ford
David, What issuing a z/Pdt cmd OPRMSG 'cmd ...'. Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 22, 2012, at 4:17 PM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: How can I go about submitting a requirement for z/OS to acknowledge and handle the same external interrupt as VM, VSE and Linux use to

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:18 -0500 on 07/22/2012, Ed Gould wrote about Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowled: I think the problem is that in z/OS there is no one way of notification (I know you are asking for one). There are at least 2 (3 if you count z) commands to stop an application, P

Re: Submitting a requirement for z/OS to at least acknowledge SIGNAL SHUTDOWN by printing a message

2012-07-22 Thread Scott Ford
Robert, That is my understanding also..as long as an automation package or maybe even system rexx could intercept the message and take action that was desired. I don't see why that wouldn't work... Scott ford www.identityforge.com On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg