Re: ransomware on z

2023-08-16 Thread Tom Brennan
LOL - It's relative :) My dad always joked that he graduated in the top 90% of his class. On 8/15/2023 11:02 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Tom Brennan wrote: Thanks Timothy. I've been saying this for years but this might be the first time I've heard a top IBMer say it. Did I just get a

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2023-08-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
Tom Brennan wrote: >Thanks Timothy. I've been saying this for years but this might be >the first time I've heard a top IBMer say it. Did I just get a promotion? :-) Jon Perryman wrote: >I hear that AI is getting good results using the microphone to get >keystrokes. Yes, it seems possible that

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2023-08-15 Thread Jon Perryman
> Timothy Sipples wrote:  > If an attacker inserts a keylogger or gets an adequate view of the keyboard I hear that AI is getting good results using the microphone to get keystrokes. On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:17:36 PM PDT, Timothy Sipples wrote: Tony Thigpen wrote: > And, that

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2023-08-15 Thread Colin Paice
They say the great wall of China was breached because the hordes bribed the gate keeper to let them through! Humans - the weakest part of any system. On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 at 07:09, Tom Brennan wrote: > Thanks Timothy. I've been saying this for years but this might be the > first time I've

Re: ransomware on z

2023-08-15 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks Timothy. I've been saying this for years but this might be the first time I've heard a top IBMer say it. On 8/14/2023 10:17 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: Tony Thigpen wrote: And, that I can agree with. Especially when the admin stores passwords in their browser. Yes, but not required.

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2023-08-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
Tony Thigpen wrote: > And, that I can agree with. Especially when the admin stores passwords >in their browser. Yes, but not required. If an attacker inserts a keylogger or gets an adequate view of the keyboard it's probably "game over." — Timothy Sipples Senior Architect Digital Assets,

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2023-08-14 Thread Tony Thigpen
And, that I can agree with. Especially when the admin stores passwords in their browser. Tony Thigpen Timothy Sipples wrote on 8/14/23 12:51 AM: Responding primarily to Tony, I'll just say that when an adversary (internal or external) gains control over the PC that the privileged storage

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2023-08-13 Thread Timothy Sipples
Responding primarily to Tony, I'll just say that when an adversary (internal or external) gains control over the PC that the privileged storage administrator uses, particularly when there's no true multi-factor authentication in the loop, then it's probably "game over." — Timothy Sipples

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2023-08-13 Thread Bill Johnson
Mixing fact & fiction. Interesting. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 13, 2023, 2:23 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: Seems likely to me that every half-decent scam, without exception, will find gulls in every new generation. Not quite the same thing, but I remember a comment on a

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2023-08-13 Thread Bob Bridges
Seems likely to me that every half-decent scam, without exception, will find gulls in every new generation. Not quite the same thing, but I remember a comment on a bulletin board during one of the wars that sprang up in southern Africa after the white government in South Africa fell and was taken

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2023-08-13 Thread Phil Smith III
Charles Mills added: >The long periods of bad guy access are typical. You read most of the >breach stories the attack unfolded over weeks or months. The hackers >talk about pwning (owning) a group of servers. Oh, I know. I was just noting that I cannot imagine dealing with that kind of ongoing

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2023-08-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 12:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ransomware on z I've a favorite author who points out that criminals mostly

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2023-08-13 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Bob, Few days ago a hospital in central Israel got a ransomware attack by a group of hackers named Block Shadow. Two years ago another hospital was attacked. The total cost of recovering (nothing paid to the attacking group afaik) was estimated about 36 million ILS, about $10 Million USD.

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2023-08-12 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I used the generic term DS8000, but I don't recall the exact device type. I think that, as other mentioned, the point is that you do not need to access the mainframe itself in order to damage the data. ITschak ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous

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2023-08-12 Thread Bob Bridges
I've a favorite author who points out that criminals mostly are optimists. They think everyone else is a sucker and they're smarter than everyone else, they therefore think they can't get caught, and they risk 12 years in prison for a haul they could get with a mere eight months of honest work.

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2023-08-12 Thread Bob Bridges
If we're still talking about the Logica hack, the reading I did on it says they got their hands on an ID that had read access to the RACF database. So the initial entry was the same as it almost always is; someone was careless with a password. After that they did other things, mostly in OMVS

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2023-08-12 Thread Peter Bishop
Agreed, and it's not shown how it fits into the category of "ransomware" either. cheers, Peter On 13/08/2023 10:00 am, Tony Thigpen wrote: I still think that the store is BS because the script could not be ran remotely during the time-frame the  story was stated to have occurred in. Other

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2023-08-12 Thread Tony Thigpen
I still think that the store is BS because the script could not be ran remotely during the time-frame the story was stated to have occurred in. Other things in the store don't make sense. It's either BS or the hacker was given special access to the facility. Tony Thigpen Grant Taylor wrote

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2023-08-12 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/12/23 4:49 PM, Tony Thigpen wrote: You can not run that script remote without the Remote-CE option enabled. And, that option was not available until the DS8870. And, to run it you have to first log in as CE. A password that should have been changed at installation. Do you want to hang

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2023-08-12 Thread Tony Thigpen
Well, I will be the one to call this story BS. You can not run that script remote without the Remote-CE option enabled. And, that option was not available until the DS8870. And, to run it you have to first log in as CE. A password that should have been changed at installation. Tony Thigpen

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2023-08-12 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Agree. my point is that a mainframe is just another server and that you don't need to login into to damage the data. ITschak ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at

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2023-08-12 Thread Charles Mills
The long periods of bad guy access are typical. You read most of the breach stories the attack unfolded over weeks or months. The hackers talk about pwning (owning) a group of servers. CM On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 16:13:12 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >ITschak Mugzach wrote, in part: >>Remember

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2023-08-12 Thread Phil Smith III
ITschak Mugzach wrote, in part: >Remember that when pirate bay penetrated Logica, he had >no clue on mainframes, but was able to stay for almost 1.5 years. This falls into the category of "things I just don't get": if that had been me, I'd've woken up every single morning wondering if this was

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2023-08-12 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Few days ago, I don't remember who and if it was here or at racf-l, someone asked about a known case of a mainframe ransomware attack by encrypting the disks. Few years ago we performed a whitehat attack at a large insurance company. WE started with the DS8xxx HMC server. A short RTFM showed that