Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
A server is a detached virtual machine, typically running CMS or GCS.
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I think a lot of this was based on 'the mainframe is going away'. Companies
didn't invest in training for mainframe people to use modern mainframe because
'the mainframe is going away.' The years passed and the mainframe did not go
away.
If the mainframe is going away and not the system of record, why do we run our
legal and audit against it?
It was hard to suggestion a mainframe/not mainframe hybrid solution when people
just wanted not mainframe. zSystem or zSeries server, just didn't catch on
over the M word.
There was a conversation about virtual servers and when people worked on them.
I was thinking late 80's for me, MVS and DOS/VSE hosts under VM. That made
things quiet.
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
wrote:
> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and
> >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are
> >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to.
> >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your
> >> outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open
source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download
a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But
there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable
platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are
way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to
just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support:
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Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
I think a lot of this was based on 'the mainframe is going away'. Companies
didn't invest in training for mainframe people to use modern mainframe because
'the mainframe is going away.' The years passed and the mainframe did not go
away.
If the mainframe is going away and not the system of record, why do we run our
legal and audit against it?
It was hard to suggestion a mainframe/not mainframe hybrid solution when people
just wanted not mainframe. zSystem or zSeries server, just didn't catch on
over the M word.
There was a conversation about virtual servers and when people worked on them.
I was thinking late 80's for me, MVS and DOS/VSE hosts under VM. That made
things quiet.
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
wrote:
> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and
> >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are
> >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to.
> >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your
> >> outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open
source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download
a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But
there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable
platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are
way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to
just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support:
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1TwnxefNmnDylQHIPpJW54jxC8WAofasUjQpN25i2
> HL8jFKZTq_OzS87OGnM2UMQIcZc7-rEQp9sEtTMTtlaQjGZOZvzWRHsdK-06ZEt2z2-lk_
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Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
There have been collaborative projects on the CBT tape and various Share mods
tapes for ages, with people shipping yapes before the universal access to the
Internet. The people on some of those projects kept change logs in the comments.
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Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
wrote:
> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and mind-stimulating in
> >> your newly enlarged spare time, then there are massive number of open
> >> source projects you could contribute to. There's a very good chance that
> >> some such projects line up well with your outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of
open source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can
download a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for
inclusion. But there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an
affordable platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something
like a zPDT are way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money,
IBM won't license to just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or
soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support:
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1TwnxefNmnDylQHIPpJW54jxC8WAofasUjQpN25i2HL8jFKZTq_OzS87OGnM2UMQIcZc7-rEQp9sEtTMTtlaQjGZOZvzWRHsdK-06ZEt2z2-lk_CvyUevZr2CTWCTISXTAtPOGMuwkvkNE5fZl70Usqhu2POd4SZ8tXSY0GEacwbisnklqAeIpzfK0D3vGxDE9Yz-4XYS1ATVCLzf8aadG_YzSHpJNalTEeLMsyFVn5h-di1_hCiak2W7tL3Wp71VOncIHOfZnAnBH4zvysrA-syZ0bNJpTPxpCB4tSV8D8gjmvTybcTq75ADwxgnNW_DApHXmgGquHQc4xuH9rq0XSv5HmDv3YzXaQpo38PH5UJARYSOs24cb_NC8m9p1esQKuMVYJkqBJHuOfk3MieYmbzAB6nX0LJIjQ-Acx0BE7yQtomM51SD30OObdzYIhL6/https%3A%2F%2Factionsoftware.com%2Fsupport%2F
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Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
Can you say "race to the bottom"?
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To me there is a difference between 'shortage of talent' and independent (open)
development. IBM would be well served to make development platforms available,
but that is not what I want to discuss.
I think the shortage of talent is because no company wants to invest in talent
development for z/OS. They want high schools and colleges to send them
talented people. I.E. the student pays for the education, not the company.
z/OS is just another operating system, just like UNIX or Windows, just far more
robust. When you started using scripts, you had to learn it. JCL is no
different, you have to learn it. Yes, it is different, but then again scripts
were different for me coming from a long history of IBM operating systems.
No, I find the lack of educated talent is a corporate problem, not a talent
problem. The corporations are just too cheap to make the investment. Let
students pay the thousands of dollars.
Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Syncsort, Inc.
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Just a response to this comment, and I agree. " To me, the biggest problem for
z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for developers."
I have been developing an "open source" project for z/OS. So, I have run into
this many times, and it not just the hardware and z/OS, but other subsystems,
like DB2, IMS, CICS, and various other components, like DBB, z/OS Connect, etc.
That is one of the biggest road blocks in this effort. However, working with
the Open Mainframe Project, they are making these types of z/OS environment
available. My "open source" project has been accepted to OMP and we are
working getting the environment setup to continue developing the Polycephaly
project, under OMP.
My wish is, to have more of these type environments setup.
Jerry
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
wrote:
> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and
> >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are
> >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to.
> >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your
> >> outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open
source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download
a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But
there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable
platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are
way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to
just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
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Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
I know they're out there, John, because I worked for one for a few years. That company closed its doors recently when the owner decided to retire, but they can't be the only one. If the details matter, that was InfoSec, Inc. They hired me in 2010 as part of a team to do some work for a client in Indianapolis. That was as an independent, not an employee; I invoiced them for my time. We repeated that relationship for two more projects, and in 2012 they invited me to become a W-2 employee. They continued farming me out to various clients. In 2014 they added my first part-time client, and by the mid-2016 it was all part-time. Late in 2018 the boss, wanting to save money, asked me to revert to independent, so we renegotiated the rate and I went back to invoicing. He retired early this year, so InfoSec Inc is no longer available as a resource. But there have to be others who do the same sort of thing. But it isn't only consulting shops that hire on a part-time basis. One of my customers is HTC in Michigan; they're a regular contract recruiting house, but my work for one of their clients is part-time. All of this made for a complicated interview when I registered for social-security last year; my SSA interviewer repeatedly had to consult with a coworker to figure out how to handle me. She got it figured out in the end (I suppose). If you want to talk more about that, feel free to contact me off-line, for what my ignorance is worth. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* "Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time." (1 Peter 5:6) It is our job to humble ourselves; it is God's job to exalt. If we try to do His job, He will do our job. -Rick Joyner, "The World Aflame" */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 07:05 Is there a consulting company which hires "part timers"? I might want try this when my shop goes under (sched 1Q2021). But the interaction between working & Social Security is an unknown to me. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
PartnerWorld membership doesnt provide the necessary access or downloads to
say “zpdt” to do development work ? This is what we do
Scott
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Christopher Y. Blaicher <
cblaic...@syncsort.com> wrote:
> To me there is a difference between 'shortage of talent' and independent
> (open) development. IBM would be well served to make development platforms
> available, but that is not what I want to discuss.
>
> I think the shortage of talent is because no company wants to invest in
> talent development for z/OS. They want high schools and colleges to send
> them talented people. I.E. the student pays for the education, not the
> company.
>
> z/OS is just another operating system, just like UNIX or Windows, just far
> more robust. When you started using scripts, you had to learn it. JCL is
> no different, you have to learn it. Yes, it is different, but then again
> scripts were different for me coming from a long history of IBM operating
> systems.
>
> No, I find the lack of educated talent is a corporate problem, not a
> talent problem. The corporations are just too cheap to make the
> investment. Let students pay the thousands of dollars.
>
> Chris Blaicher
> Technical Architect
> Syncsort, Inc.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
>
> [ External - This message originated Externally. Use proper judgement and
> caution with attachments, links, or responses. ]
>
> Just a response to this comment, and I agree. " To me, the biggest
> problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for
> developers."
>
> I have been developing an "open source" project for z/OS. So, I have run
> into this many times, and it not just the hardware and z/OS, but other
> subsystems, like DB2, IMS, CICS, and various other components, like DBB,
> z/OS Connect, etc. That is one of the biggest road blocks in this effort.
> However, working with the Open Mainframe Project, they are making these
> types of z/OS environment available. My "open source" project has been
> accepted to OMP and we are working getting the environment setup to
> continue developing the Polycephaly project, under OMP.
>
> My wish is, to have more of these type environments setup.
> Jerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf
> Of John McKown
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:52 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
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>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin <
> gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> > >> If your objective is to do something interesting and
> > >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are
> > >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to.
> > >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with
> your outside interests.
> > >>
> > > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> > >
> > CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
> >
>
> CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of
> open source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can
> download a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for
> inclusion. But there isn't the history like a Github project.
>
> I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
>
> To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an
> affordable platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something
> like a zPDT are way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money,
> IBM won't license to just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or
> soe such thing.
>
> The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
>
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards, Gord Tomlin
> > Action Software International
> > (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> > Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> > Support:
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http
Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
To me there is a difference between 'shortage of talent' and independent (open)
development. IBM would be well served to make development platforms available,
but that is not what I want to discuss.
I think the shortage of talent is because no company wants to invest in talent
development for z/OS. They want high schools and colleges to send them
talented people. I.E. the student pays for the education, not the company.
z/OS is just another operating system, just like UNIX or Windows, just far more
robust. When you started using scripts, you had to learn it. JCL is no
different, you have to learn it. Yes, it is different, but then again scripts
were different for me coming from a long history of IBM operating systems.
No, I find the lack of educated talent is a corporate problem, not a talent
problem. The corporations are just too cheap to make the investment. Let
students pay the thousands of dollars.
Chris Blaicher
Technical Architect
Syncsort, Inc.
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Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:09 AM
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Just a response to this comment, and I agree. " To me, the biggest problem for
z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for developers."
I have been developing an "open source" project for z/OS. So, I have run into
this many times, and it not just the hardware and z/OS, but other subsystems,
like DB2, IMS, CICS, and various other components, like DBB, z/OS Connect, etc.
That is one of the biggest road blocks in this effort. However, working with
the Open Mainframe Project, they are making these types of z/OS environment
available. My "open source" project has been accepted to OMP and we are
working getting the environment setup to continue developing the Polycephaly
project, under OMP.
My wish is, to have more of these type environments setup.
Jerry
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
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> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and
> >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are
> >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to.
> >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your
> >> outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open
source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download
a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But
there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable
platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are
way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to
just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
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Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'
Just a response to this comment, and I agree. " To me, the biggest problem for
z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for developers."
I have been developing an "open source" project for z/OS. So, I have run into
this many times, and it not just the hardware and z/OS, but other subsystems,
like DB2, IMS, CICS, and various other components, like DBB, z/OS Connect, etc.
That is one of the biggest road blocks in this effort. However, working with
the Open Mainframe Project, they are making these types of z/OS environment
available. My "open source" project has been accepted to OMP and we are
working getting the environment setup to continue developing the Polycephaly
project, under OMP.
My wish is, to have more of these type environments setup.
Jerry
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
wrote:
> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and
> >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are
> >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to.
> >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your
> >> outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open
source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download
a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But
there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable
platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are
way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to
just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin
wrote:
> On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote:
> >> If your objective is to do something interesting and mind-stimulating in
> >> your newly enlarged spare time, then there are massive number of open
> >> source projects you could contribute to. There's a very good chance that
> >> some such projects line up well with your outside interests.
> >>
> > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know.
> >
> CBT? Zowe? Zigi?
>
CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of
open source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can
download a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for
inclusion. But there isn't the history like a Github project.
I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them.
To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an
affordable platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something
like a zPDT are way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money,
IBM won't license to just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or
soe such thing.
The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Gord Tomlin
> Action Software International
> (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)
> Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507
> Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/
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On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote: If your objective is to do something interesting and mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are massive number of open source projects you could contribute to. There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your outside interests. Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know. CBT? Zowe? Zigi? -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 09.04.2020 o 13:05, John McKown pisze: Is there a consulting company which hires "part timers"? Yes. It's not common, that means most of people are full-time employees, but I met several part-timers. Even guy who was living in Warsaw, Poland and supported large installation on East Coast. (time gap). And including me. :-) I did a lot in RACF area and storage (tapes, DASD, remote copy...) or IODF, etc. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM Gord Tomlin wrote: > On 2020-04-08 16:29, Stan Saraczewski wrote: > > Question - how does a semi retired person secure part time projects ? > There > > is a difficulty getting past the 40 hour a week retirement... > > This may sound facetious, but it's not meant to be. It all depends on > what you want out of the part time project(s). > > If your objective is to do something interesting and mind-stimulating in > your newly enlarged spare time, then there are massive number of open > source projects you could contribute to. There's a very good chance that > some such projects line up well with your outside interests. > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know. > > On the other hand, if your objective is to get paid for your part-time > efforts, things are much tougher. Most employers want to see a full-time > commitment from their employees, and ageism is real. > I guess that is true for I.T. But I sometimes wonder about consultants. I don't know, but it might be possible to get a short time contract to do or help with somw project. But have a lawyer do the contract limiting your liabilities for any company percieved "failures". I might be too cynical, but I can easily imagine a manager saying that the contract was not fulfilled & refusing to pay -- it helps his bottom line. And, yes, I've had an I.T. manager tell me we were not upgrading CICS because the newer vwrsion would increase the I.T. budget and decrease his bonus. Is there a consulting company which hires "part timers"? I might want try this when my shop goes under (sched 1Q2021). But the interaction between working & Social Security is an unknown to me. > > -- > > Regards, Gord Tomlin > Action Software International > (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) > Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 > Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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All my work is part-time, now. But I can't tell you how to start, because I slid into it sort of accidentally. The consulting company I worked for had me working a full-time RBAC project (more than full-time, actually) when another client wanted someone to handle security functions just 30 hr/mo; I was skeptical that I would be able to spare even that much time, but it worked out fine, and six months later the RBAC project was winding down anyway. By the time the RBAC client sent me home, my employers had found me another client who wanted the same sort of thing, a security jock whom they could hire to handle the occasional issue without employing me full-time. It was only at that point that I realized I was now committed to remote part-time work. If I try to take on an on-site client, and suddenly one of my previous clients has an emergency that they need me to handle, what am I going to do? Walk out of the full-time client's building, go back to my hotel, and return to work afterward? That wouldn't go over very well. So now I have two or three clients at a time, all remote, and mostly I work much less than 40 hr/wk (but sometimes more). I've found that it suits me well. I'm nearing retirement age with no intention of retiring - financially speaking I don't ~need~ to work full-time - and I'm about to start collecting social-security benefits on top of it, if the country doesn't go bankrupt before then. Recruiters call me and I tell them I can consider only part-time; most of them go away at that point, but every so often one says "I think my client would consider that". But breaking into it, the start-up period...I don't know how to advise you. God's blessed me, and mostly it happened while I wasn’t looking. Still, you say you're "semi-retired" so I take it you don't need the income, at least not urgently; maybe it's just a matter of waiting for the right recruiters to come along, or for you to happen to call the right ones yourself. You may already know how much depends on ~timing~. Ageism? I'm willing to believe it's real, but I haven't noticed it. But then I'm only 65. Maybe in another ten years. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A delay is better than a disaster. -Found taped to a departed IS manager's keyboard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 18:20 This may sound facetious, but it's not meant to be. It all depends on what you want out of the part time project(s). If your objective is to do something interesting and mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are massive number of open source projects you could contribute to. There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your outside interests. On the other hand, if your objective is to get paid for your part-time efforts, things are much tougher. Most employers want to see a full-time commitment from their employees, and ageism is real. --- On 2020-04-08 16:29, Stan Saraczewski wrote: > Question - how does a semi retired person secure part time projects ? There > is a difficulty getting past the 40 hour a week retirement... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2020-04-08 16:29, Stan Saraczewski wrote: Question - how does a semi retired person secure part time projects ? There is a difficulty getting past the 40 hour a week retirement... This may sound facetious, but it's not meant to be. It all depends on what you want out of the part time project(s). If your objective is to do something interesting and mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are massive number of open source projects you could contribute to. There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your outside interests. On the other hand, if your objective is to get paid for your part-time efforts, things are much tougher. Most employers want to see a full-time commitment from their employees, and ageism is real. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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