Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Charles Mills
> By the way, what ~is~ SVC 99? First, note that three terms are used pretty much interchangeably: SVC 99, DYNALLOC, and "Dynamic Allocation." I will use the term SVC 99 here. DYNALLOC is an assembler macro that does not do much of anything except issue SVC 99. (You know what a supervisor call

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Charles Mills
I believe you. You know, as I wrote that sentence a flicker of doubt ran through my mind. I wonder if the true statement is "ISAM did not support updating a record if the length changed." There was some sort of ISAM shortcoming because a bunch of folks apparently developed their own "VISAM."

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
Don't forget the old ALLOCATE command for those running under TSO. It uses a routine called Dynamic Allocation Interface Routine (DAIR) that mostly uses DYNALLOC but does a few things for itself. BTW, does BPXWDYN use DAIRFAIL to format error messages? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 13:46:07 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >RECFM=V was not supported by ISAM. It most certainly was. We used it in the early 1970s at Wayne State University for the Admissions system. See page 147 of the JCL Reference manual for OS/360 release 21.7

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
(E)SPIE is associated only with the task issuing it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Thomas David Rivers Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

z/OS EOS dates

2020-04-01 Thread Gord Tomlin
Does anyone have a link that works today to the page containing z/OS EOS dates? This link: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_eos_dates.html now just leads to the z/OS landing page: https://www.ibm.com/it-infrastructure/z/zos I can't find a link to any other page providing the

Re: [External] z/OS EOS dates

2020-04-01 Thread Pommier, Rex
Try this: https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/ Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] z/OS EOS dates Does anyone have a link that works today to

Re: z/OS EOS dates

2020-04-01 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
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Re: z/OS EOS dates

2020-04-01 Thread Richards, Robert B.
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/index.html#/ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS EOS dates Does anyone have a link that works today to the page containing

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
It makes a difference whether the code issues the raw DYNALLOC error and reason codes or an understandable explanation. It doesn't make a difference how a clear message is generated., as long as the code is maintainable. DAIRFAIL and the equivalent DYNALLOC are the easies way to do it. I'm not

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Steve Smith
Does that make a difference? The method for extracting DYNALLOC messages is well-documented, like the rest of DYNALLOC... kudos to IBM on that. There's some intricate code to write, but once you have, it's a nice thing to have in your tool bag. BPXWDYN will conveniently return the messages in a

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-01 Thread Joe Monk
I wouldnt think so. Normally ATTACH creates a boundary, and only certain things can cross that boundary, like for instance, an ESTAI. Joe On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:26 PM Thomas David Rivers wrote: > I'm sure many on this list will know the answer to this, > and I've been reading various manuals

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:01:12 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >I wonder if the true statement is "ISAM did not support updating a record if >the length changed." No, that's not true either. This from the previously mentioned ISAM Logiic manual: The WRITE KN macro instruction is used with the READ

ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-01 Thread Thomas David Rivers
I'm sure many on this list will know the answer to this, and I've been reading various manuals trying to find it... But - if a primary task issues an ESPIE SET to establish a ESPIE exit on a particular event, does that ESPIE exit get control if an ATTACH'd sub-task triggers the event? In my

Re: z/OS EOS dates

2020-04-01 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2020-04-01 16:24, Jerry Whitteridge wrote: Try here https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/ You can then search on the products you are looking for Thanks all...that worked. Bookmarked. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation)

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Speed? IIRC ISAM was awfully slow, especially if you didn't do mass updates in high-key to low-key order (I remember at one of my early employers we saved a TON of elapsed time in a nightly batch-add-update with that trick). The VISAM that I am familiar with was a product of the ISV I worked

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
Isn't the easiest way to ask SVC 99 to issue the message? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Smith [sasd...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Charles Mills
Huh. Well then, what WAS the purpose of VISAM? Not arguing with you. Just wondering now. I KNOW my client had a home-grown hybrid ISAM/BDAM access methond. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent:

Re: PARM= vs PARMDD= and symbol substitution

2020-04-01 Thread Steve Smith
The EM* (sorry, that's how I recalled it) interface is to IEFDB476. According to manual, DAIRFAIL is an alternative. The doc is in the Auth Ass. Serv. Guide, Chapter 26, section "Processing messages from dynamic allocation". If you follow the instructions there, you'll get the messages you would

Re: ESPIE question (does ESPIE "cover" ATTACH'd sub-tasks)

2020-04-01 Thread Binyamin Dissen
What advantage do you see in an ESPIE over an ESTAE? IIRC, there are quite a few conditions where it doesn't get control. And no clean way to percolate. On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:21:46 -0400 Thomas David Rivers wrote: :>I'm sure many on this list will know the answer to this, :>and I've been