Re: IEBCOPY New Function - Support for PDSE Member Generations

The Eunix way alweays struck me as the "Turing Tar Pit": when the only tool you have is a pipe, everything looks like a filter. It's not a paradigm that lends itself well to feedback. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

Hi Scott, It's done by a BLDL and a STOW. Regards, David On 2021-05-10 17:36, A T & T Management wrote: OK Now on to the problem, The alias should be created at apply time.  How this is done I don't recall and don't have access to my machine at this time. Scott On Monday, May 10,

Re: STIMERM LT value

Z/os has to handle arbitrary TIMEZONE values -- and does it well. Keep in mind that there are dozens of world locations that have non-hour timezone offsets (typically 30 min and 15 min). There are even locations which have Daylight Saving Time 30 min ahead of standard time instead of the usual 1

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

In American idiom "fanny" is completely acceptable slang for one's bottom. In Australian slang it is an offensive term for the female private anatomy. I was in a class -- I think it was at ASG -- when the instructor said "what do you say? Should we take a break now?" and an American woman in the

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

You bet. I worked with IBM Hursley (where CICS is developed) in the late 80's and early 90's, and CICS was and always has been pronounced "Kicks" here in the UK. On 10/05/2021 16:10, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > IBM classes in US in early 1980's seemed to consistently pronounce CICS > as C-I-C-S

Re: IEBCOPY New Function - Support for PDSE Member Generations

On Mon, 10 May 2021 21:02:23 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >While I'm not convinced there is real need for member >generations/versions, I have to admit there is lack of support for this >feature. Even with this enhancement. > It's a lack of modularity/reusability. The UNIX Way, as preached

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

Idioms are full of booby traps for those not native to the language. In Israel the Hebrew word שֵׁרוּת meaning service refers to a shared taxi; the plural שֵׁרוּתִים refers to bathrooms. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From:

Re: Fw: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

On Mon, 10 May 2021 23:32:50 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >I attach the source code for aliasing members of a PDS.  >  Where I read: * FORMAT OF SYSIN CARD IS^M * 'MEMBER=@@...@,ALIAS=@@...@ '^M * WHERE '@@...@' REPRESENTS A 1 TO 8 CHAR VALID MEMBER/ALIAS NAME^M But in Using Data

Re: IEBCOPY New Function - Support for PDSE Member Generations

While I'm not convinced there is real need for member generations/versions, I have to admit there is lack of support for this feature. Even with this enhancement. It's like long names in PDSE. I heard about it ~20 years ago. And I have never seen it. And never seen any IBM tool (ISPF/PDF?)

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

Kiwi - there is polish joke about it:  Kiwi kiwi kiwi. Yes, it makes some sense, yes, it is funny. No, I cannot explain it without long lecture about declension, etc. BTW: there is another version of same joke: Zombie zombie zombie. -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland W

Re: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

OK Now on to the problem, The alias should be created at apply time.  How this is done I don't recall and don't have access to my machine at this time. Scott On Monday, May 10, 2021, 5:01:21 PM EDT, David Spiegel wrote: Hi Scott, You're right. I would've done this, but, the customer

Re: SMPE Receive Order post May 1st

I did some testing on our sandbox (I commented out all ciphers except the one I was interested in and refreshed policy agent) and here’s what I found. According to https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6417233 The cipher suites that will be enabled for AT-TLS for using FTPS are: ·

Re: Fw: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

I attach the source code for aliasing members of a PDS.    Essentially, it just sets a flag in the COFT field of the directory's ALIAS member and STOWs it.   Cheers, Chris Poncelet (r)   On 10/05/2021 23:04, A T & T Management wrote: >   Yes it is done by a BLDL and STOW underneith.  But how

Re: Fw: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

Oops, missed that bit. In SMP/E, the ALIAS name(s) [up to 16] would be specified via a SYSLIN ALIAS card during the link-editing of the object modules and coded before the NAME card. Hence, via JCLIN. An IEBCOPY COPYMOD would then copy also the names of the ALIASes, IIRC. On 10/05/2021 23:04, A T

Re: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

Why not do this in a usermod? Scott On Monday, May 10, 2021, 2:25:47 PM EDT, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: On 5/10/2021 1:15 PM, David Spiegel wrote: > I added a CLIST as part of a PTF. > (This is not vendor software.) > ++CLIST(ABCXYZ) ALIAS(XYZ) DISTLIB(ACLIST) SYSLIB(CLIST). > PROC 0 >

Re: Fw: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

1024-byte long member alias names in a *PDS*? Perhaps now, or in Unix, but not in 1988's MVS/XA or even in z/OS (whatever it was in 2013), AFAIK . On 10/05/2021 23:53, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 2021 23:32:50 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: > >> I attach the source code for aliasing members

New game for z/OS platform!

Ladies, Gentlemen, Let me announce new game on mainframe platform - Game of Life. "The Game of Life, also known simply as Life, is a cellular automaton devised by the British mathematician John Horton Conway in 1970. It is a zero-player game, meaning that its evolution is determined by its

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

The Wombat does it better than the Kiwi. "Eats roots shoots and leaves" On Tue, May 11, 2021, 06:04 Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > Kiwi - there is polish joke about it: Kiwi kiwi kiwi. Yes, it makes > some sense, yes, it is funny. > No, I cannot explain it without long lecture about declension,

Re: IPv6 on z/OS under z/VM

+IBMVM of course On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 12:51 AM Christian Svensson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am trying to understand how you can run IPv6 on z/OS under z/VM. > > I have come to the following conclusion: > - From https://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/altmarka/vswitch1.pdf I learned > that Layer3

IPv6 on z/OS under z/VM

Hi folks, I am trying to understand how you can run IPv6 on z/OS under z/VM. I have come to the following conclusion: - From https://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/altmarka/vswitch1.pdf I learned that Layer3 VSWITCH only supports IPv4. - From

Re: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

Hi Scott, You're right. I would've done this, but, the customer insisted it has to be a PTF. Regards, David On 2021-05-10 16:48, A T & T Management wrote: Why not do this in a usermod? Scott On Monday, May 10, 2021, 2:25:47 PM EDT, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: On 5/10/2021 1:15 PM,

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

As an Australian I can vouch for the veracity of the noted definition of the word 'root', although I would also suggest that this usage was almost always confined to a younger generation and seems to be someone one grows out of. :-) Then there is the standard Aussie joke we tell about Kiwi's

Fw: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

  Yes it is done by a BLDL and STOW underneith.  But how SMP sets an alias in it's way of doing things I don't recall.  The ALIAS Parameter one would think should do it.  I know that a ++JCLIN with linkedit would do it.  But for something via IEBCOPY I do not. Scott - Forwarded

Re: STIMERM LT value

On Mon, 10 May 2021 20:00:39 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >Since IBM and Linux / Unix handle Leap Seconds differently, is this >done so MVS is ahead of Linux, because if you are behind you get >rejected? > z/OS handles this pretty well by pausing during a leap second. Linux/UNIX systems use NTP and

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

On Mon, 10 May 2021 12:56:42 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >CMS originally ran on a real S/360 or on a S/60 virtual machine under CP-67. >The CMS for VM/370 through VM/SP ran on a virtual S/370. When did CMS stop >requiring S/370 mode and when did it stop supporting S/370 mode (if it did)? > >

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

On Mon, 10 May 2021 12:56:42 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >CMS originally ran on a real S/360 or on a S/60 virtual machine under CP-67. >The CMS for VM/370 through VM/SP ran > on a virtual S/370. When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode and when did it > stop supporting S/370 mode (if it did)?

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

Thanks. Do you also know when CMS first supported XC mode as an option? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Dale R. Smith [dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com] Sent:

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

On Tue, 11 May 2021 01:47:45 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Thanks. Do you also know when CMS first supported XC mode as an option? > > >-- >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 CMS Release 8, VM/ESA 1.1.1. -- Dale R. Smith

Re: New game for z/OS platform!

If it is 24 bit, it should run on KicksForTso on MVS 3.8. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 2:52 PM Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > > Ladies, Gentlemen, > > Let me announce new game on mainframe platform - Game of Life. > > "The Game of Life, also known simply as Life, is a cellular automaton > devised by the

Re: STIMERM LT value

Since IBM and Linux / Unix handle Leap Seconds differently, is this done so MVS is ahead of Linux, because if you are behind you get rejected? On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 5:54 PM Attila Fogarasi wrote: > > Z/os has to handle arbitrary TIMEZONE values -- and does it well. Keep in > mind that there

Re: ERBSCAN in batch

Hi Peter, That's great, can you share more info (where's the REXX) here or separately? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, May 10, 2021 11:50 AM, Peter Vels wrote: > On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 13:10, kekronbekron < > 02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Is it

Re: STIMERM LT value

I've just found out that PARMLIB(CLOCKxx) here specifies; TIMEZONE E.01.01.00 Something to do with synchronising with SVN and Jenkin apparently. Didn't think I'd need to code for ad-hoc tweaks like that. Sorry to waste your time. Steve -Original Message- From: Steve Austin

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

ObTernaryComputers Trits are for kids. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 9:00 PM To:

Re: ERBSCAN in batch

On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 13:10, kekronbekron < 02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Is it possible to run the erbscan line command in a batch job? > Hi KB. Yes, it is possible. I was able to run ERBSCAN by editing the REXX, commenting out statements like SETMSG MSG(ISRZ001)

Re: STIMERM LT value

I've run the test twice more specifying a time of 9 o'clock, the 1st with a STIMERM and an LT=value and the 2nd a GMT=value. Below are the results and an extract of the CVT showing CVTLDTO and CVTLSO. Is the value in CVTLDTO correct? Thanks Steve STCKE following STIMERM specifying GMT=:

Re: ERBSCAN in batch

On my system it's in SYS1.SERBCLS(ERBSCAN). Your HLQ might differ, but the LLQ shouldn't. On Mon, 10 May 2021 at 16:29, kekronbekron < 02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > That's great, can you share more info (where's the REXX) here or > separately? > > - KB >

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

Classification: Public According to Chambers dictionary (the de facto resource for cryptic crosswords here), there are 12 noun definitions for root, 4 intransitive verb definitions, and 6 transitive verb definitions.. The one you're referring to appears, according to the entries, to be

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

Classification: Confidential Groan! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

I’m going to hazard a guess that it went away when base 370 I/O was dropped. Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct mistaks > On May 10, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > CMS originally ran on a real S/360 or on a S/60 virtual machine under

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

It appears that you can. In this list of bus routes from Winchester, scroll down to route 66. Its destination is Romsey *via Hursley*. https://uktransport.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_bus_routes_in_Winchester,_Hampshire -- For

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

On Mon, 10 May 2021 13:35:35 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Well,VM/XA MA, VM/XA SF, VM/XA/SP and VM/ESA all used subchannel numbers and >couldn't run in S/370 mode, but supported S/370 mode virtual machines. >Somewhere around VM/ESA IBM defined a subset of ESA for optional use by CMS >(or was

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

Yes, but when did CMS and GCS stop requiring it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent:

When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

CMS originally ran on a real S/360 or on a S/60 virtual machine under CP-67. The CMS for VM/370 through VM/SP ran on a virtual S/370. When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode and when did it stop supporting S/370 mode (if it did)? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

Well,VM/XA MA, VM/XA SF, VM/XA/SP and VM/ESA all used subchannel numbers and couldn't run in S/370 mode, but supported S/370 mode virtual machines. Somewhere around VM/ESA IBM defined a subset of ESA for optional use by CMS (or was it GCS?), and I believe that S/370 mode is now gone. What I'm

Re: Storage Zoning clarification

W dniu 10.05.2021 o 06:36, Jake Anderson pisze: Hello All, Good evening I am trying to understand on how the ZONING part works when the connectivity to storage box or the tape device goes through a SAN switch. How does the ZONING is done and is there any documentation with an example to

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

Charles, In the UK also we might root for our favourite team. That is acceptable. The situation is worse in Australia. We get rather laughed at in a dirty way when talking about routers and pronounce it as "rooters". In Australia, rooting is a private physical matter practised between two

Re: STIMERM LT value

(I guess Peter R. overlooked that you appear to be operating near the Prime Meridian.) On Mon, 10 May 2021 09:52:16 +0100, Steve Austin wrote: >I've just found out that PARMLIB(CLOCKxx) here specifies; > > TIMEZONE E.01.01.00 > Ouch! Does that mean that SYSLOG, etc. timestamps are a minute

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

Probably just the effort involved -- takes less effort to transition from oo to an ess ("root" sixty-six) sound than from ou to an ess sound , while ou to across is less of a stretch.  I call that efficiency -- others may call it laziness.   JC Ewing On 5/9/21 10:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > It

Re: Storage Zoning clarification

Hi So from the mainframe perspective zoning is done even if the connectivity passes through SAN ? Sorry if my understanding is incorrect ? Jake On Mon, 10 May, 2021, 2:32 pm Radoslaw Skorupka, wrote: > W dniu 10.05.2021 o 06:36, Jake Anderson pisze: > > Hello All, > > > > Good evening > > > >

Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)

IBM classes in US in early 1980's seemed to consistently pronounce CICS as C-I-C-S (see-eye-see-ess), so that's the custom we adopted and taught at our installation when we started using the product. One of our SysProgs got heavily involved with CICS development in Hursley Park, U.K. in 1990's

SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

Hi, I added a CLIST as part of a PTF. (This is not vendor software.) ++CLIST(ABCXYZ) ALIAS(XYZ) DISTLIB(ACLIST) SYSLIB(CLIST). PROC 0 WRITE HI When I ran the APPLY Job, the IEBCOPY Output showed COPY OUTDD=CLIST,INDD=SMPWRK6  S M=((A000,ABCXYZ,R)) Where does (the ALIAS) XYZ get copied to

IEBCOPY New Function - Support for PDSE Member Generations

Just heard about this: OA60639: NEW FUNCTION (ibm.com) * USERS AFFECTED: * * All users of IEBCOPY for z/OS V2R3 and Above

Re: IEBCOPY New Function - Support for PDSE Member Generations

On Mon, 10 May 2021 12:36:13 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > ... >OA60639: NEW FUNCTION (ibm.com) > > Which says: ... GENS={ALL | NONE} Indicates if the member generations of a Version 2 PDSE will be copied or not. This keyword is valid only when

Re: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

On Mon, 10 May 2021 13:15:38 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >I added a CLIST as part of a PTF. >(This is not vendor software.) >++CLIST(ABCXYZ) ALIAS(XYZ) DISTLIB(ACLIST) SYSLIB(CLIST). >PROC 0 >WRITE HI > >When I ran the APPLY Job, the IEBCOPY Output showed >COPY OUTDD=CLIST,INDD=SMPWRK6 >  S

Re: When did CMS stop requiring S/370 mode?

I think if you ask on the VM List that Alan or Bill (Bitner) will know. My hazy memory — I remember the announcement, but I can’t remember for sure if it was before or after 1996. Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct mistaks > On May 10, 2021, at 9:35

Re: SMPE: Element Contains CLIST with ALIAS

On 5/10/2021 1:15 PM, David Spiegel wrote: I added a CLIST as part of a PTF. (This is not vendor software.) ++CLIST(ABCXYZ) ALIAS(XYZ) DISTLIB(ACLIST) SYSLIB(CLIST). PROC 0 WRITE HI When I ran the APPLY Job, the IEBCOPY Output showed COPY OUTDD=CLIST,INDD=SMPWRK6  S M=((A000,ABCXYZ,R))

Re: Storage Zoning clarification

I think, there is some misunderstanding here. First, basics: DAS - Direct Attached Storage - a disk connected directly, like your HDD in your PC. This model can be used in mainframe world - DASD array connected over FICON links to the host. No switches/directors between. SAN - In this case